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> I guess I’m lucky that colours and coatings are pretty much pointless to me.
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> They don’t have any bearing in Campaign or the games I play in Arena - which are reduced to red vs blue anyway.
even if a -Yoink- descission in a game i play does not specificaly harm me, i still stand against it.
> First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—
> Because I was not a socialist.
> Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—
> Because I was not a trade unionist.
> Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
> Because I was not a Jew.
> Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.
Meh, it affects so little about the game. I understand people want to keep things that have always been a part of the game but it’s just not feasible in an evolving franchise. If having cosmetics like this enable it being FTP, I’m on board.
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> I don’t know what people are talking about when they say things like picking colors in Halo is iconic or inseparable from the idea of Halo. It’s never been unique in that regard, it’s not like it’s an RPG or something.
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> That being said, the main problem I have with this is that it’s a bell weather as to what else is to come in the form of microtransactions. I just have a feeling that they’re going to monetize everything they possibly can in an attempt to squeeze people dry. It won’t work on me, but that doesn’t mean I’ll be happy about something as basic as customizing colors being locked behind a paywall.
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> This could have all been avoided had they let us choose primary/secondary/tertiary colors, material, etc all of those 7 layers EXCEPT the patterns, so they can lock cheetah print, stripes, dots, etc behind a paywall and at least then people could still choose from thousands of different combinations to make their spartans look unique and customized to what they want.
You’re right, Halo isn’t exactly known for being able to pick colors. Its not iconic in the ways other things in Halo are considered.
The microtransactions are absolutely the pain point that many of us are worried about. The “possibilities” 343 says this system has is smothered big old $$$ signs that they could get from creating some skins and slapping a paywall behind them. It feels like a thing that will be easily exploited even if some of them are earnable for a quick buck off of us.
Being able to pick our colors is something so basic to Halo, so expected that for it to go in the way it is with armor coatings is exploiting what wasn’t broken. I would be content with being able to pick our colors and having stuff like fancy camos or other materials behind a paywall, but for us to lose it all for a watered preset system that can be sold to us if 343 wants to is exactly why many of us feel like this change is bad. MCC treated us arguably too well, having weapon skins and vehicles for free while we can customize our colors that gave 343 a reputation for our colors.
Not anymore.
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> Meh, it affects so little about the game. I understand people want to keep things that have always been a part of the game but it’s just not feasible in an devolving franchise. If having cosmetics like this enable it being FTP, I’m on board.
Fixed* lol. I’d rather have everyone flip the bill for the same $60 than a FTP multiplayer. I can see this franchise turning away from its campaign and becoming Halo Battlefield.
This decision proves once again that 343’s Halo can only follow trends instead of set them.
But to be fair, this isn’t entirely 343’s fault as Microsoft have made deals with other companies to promote these armor skins. Even if they were removed then they’d be sued for breach of contract.
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> “What are you angry about? This is just like Overwatch, everybody does it”
> and
> “Would you rather have paid map packs back?”
> are just some of the comments I’ve seen. On Reddit and Youtube so far.
Good lord, do those guys not remember or were not there when paid map packs were a thing? Because the only trouble that seemed to arise from the era of paying for map packs was that new playlists that had just those maps had to be created so it players wouldn’t be locked out of matchmaking entirely because they didn’t have the newest maps. You know, back when everything cost 800 Microsoft Points.
Digital purchasing has been more than normalized over the last decade, so yeah I would prefer paid map packs, better yet, paid armour packs of about 10 - 20 armour sets that don’t just simply unlock the armours, but allow me the commence the challenges I have to complete to unlock them. That way, the maps can remain free and prevent the issue of divding the matchmaking.
Because what’s just dawned on me is that, I’m now gonna be faced with the prospect of kids who were born AFTER microtransactions in triple A games became a thing, getting into Halo Infinite, and thinking that “Default” is the genuinely the worst insult in gaming there is, because that’s what they’ve grown up playing, games with a single game mode that sooner prioritise baiting them into getting their parents to spend money on $100 character skins or run the risk of getting bullied for not getting their parents to waste $100 on a trivial purchase like a few megabytes of an in-game aesthetic.
You know, THIS mentality?
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> > > > > > If this is what it takes to have a modern Halo game that doesn’t have a population nose-dive after a few months, and for content for Infinite to continue to be developed over the course of the 10 years for which they said it’s gonna be the main Halo platform (as well as whole new games that I assume they’ll slot in like with MCC), then I’ll take it. As much as I liked armor customization in the prior games, I’d also like for players to keep coming back to the game week to week to earn cosmetics stuff, see what new modes/maps/events get released, and for the devs to be able to pay rent.
> > > > >
> > > > > Yah but that’s the problem, the population will nose-dive because of this.
> > > > >
> > > > > Its like watching an idiot babble on about how you are wrong about him being in danger while a clearly visible asteroid is heading for his exact location. You tell him the get out of the way and listen to you because his life depends on it. And he yells about how you can’t tell him what to do. Eventually, you get sick of telling this poor idiot to get out of the way and decide to let this guy earn a Darwin Award while you get out of the blast radius.
> > > > >
> > > > > Get the picture?
> > > >
> > > > Here’s an idea in halo 5 we have free colors but monetized armor i think for halo infinate 343 is doing the opposite monetized colors and earnable armor. I’ll accept this since colors only are visible in firefight infection and ffa. I’d rather have armor than colors.
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> > > Or, you know, both? Rather than removing an option we have had since Day 1 of Halo CE. Sell gun and vehicle skins. Sell skins for armours to give them a different pattern, or extra lights. Make it so you can apply skins to each part of the armour separately, so you can increase the number of skins in a skin set that you can sell.
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> > > You don’t take away the option to choose the colour of your armour. That isn’t something to compromise on.
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> > I mean i wish we could but considering the trend of cod fifa madden etc constantly rehashing the same game year after year and making millions, halo needs a consistent model for cash and I’d prefer we don’t monetize maps, we shouldn’t monetize armor, definitely not forge what do 343 monetize so infinate can last 10 years? If colors are the sacrificial lamb for in depth armor customization i think its a good deal.
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> I just listed a bunch of things that could be monetised.
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> If 343 want to make money, then they should make a great game that people enjoy repeatedly playing. This is Battlefront II levels of insulting: instead of grinding for hours and hours to play as Luke Skywalker and Darth Vader, we now have to grind for colours that we have always had for the past 19 years.
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> COD and FIFA make millions every year because 10s of millions of players play them. That just isn’t true for Halo anymore, and hasn’t been for 10 years - coinciding with the idea that Halo needed to be like other games, rather than simply being Halo. Halo 4 wanted to be COD. Halo 5 wanted to be Titanfall. Halo Infinite wants to be a Battle Royal, without being a Battle Royal. You want to know why COD and FIFA sell? People really enjoy the game. Millions and millions of people. Halo? You cannot say that. Halo 4 dropped like a lead balloon. Halo 5 only lasted as long as it did because content that absolutely should have been in the game at launch, was drip-fed to us. Nobody stuck around in Halo 5 because of the Req System, and it actually pushed fans away. You can’t stand in the spotlight when you’re trying to stand in everyone else’s shadow.
“You can’t stand in the spotlight when you’re trying to stand in everyone else’s shadow.” Well said. That basically sums up Halo since Halo 4.
What reason other than money is there to remove this? Just add a layer on top of whatever armor colors you choose. I get that it’s F2P or whatever, but removing something as simple as armor coloring is not a required sacrifice to make the game free when they’ve shown in MCC (through visor coloring, weapon skins, and the like) that there are so many other customization features they could be screwing with instead that would not upset nearly as many people!
not really bothered about the colour schemes as long as they are diverse enough and somehow achievable in-game I’m happy.
This forum literally got 5 pages in an hour at this pace it will be bigger than the classic movement forum in a couple days.
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> > I guess I’m lucky that colours and coatings are pretty much pointless to me.
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> > They don’t have any bearing in Campaign or the games I play in Arena - which are reduced to red vs blue anyway.
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> even if a -Yoink- descission in a game i play does not specificaly harm me, i still stand against it.
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>
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> > First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—
> > Because I was not a socialist.
> > Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—
> > Because I was not a trade unionist.
> > Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
> > Because I was not a Jew.
> > Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.
I am against the decision as much as the next guy. I have and will continue to speak out against it, but comparing our situation to the -Yoink!- is a bit hyperbolic, wouldn’t you say?
I don’t understand why people are defending this move. Choosing your primary and secondary were just very basic options. It was a form of player expression. Basic, and expected to be in the game. It’s a Halo staple. So seeing them gone, alarms me about other things to come.I don’t think going Free to Play was the better choice. I would rather pay $60 for a game up front, $80 even, then have to put up with MTX everywhere.
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> > > I guess I’m lucky that colours and coatings are pretty much pointless to me.
> > >
> > > They don’t have any bearing in Campaign or the games I play in Arena - which are reduced to red vs blue anyway.
> >
> > even if a -Yoink- descission in a game i play does not specificaly harm me, i still stand against it.
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> >
> >
> >
> > > First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—
> > > Because I was not a socialist.
> > > Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—
> > > Because I was not a trade unionist.
> > > Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
> > > Because I was not a Jew.
> > > Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.
>
> I am against the decision as much as the next guy. I have and will continue to speak out against it, but comparing our situation to the -Yoink!- is a bit hyperbolic, wouldn’t you say?
Oh my goodness. A bit? Try very lol
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> I think that the fact that this thread has exploded in popularity is proof to 343 that just about the entire Halo community thinks this is a TERRIBLE idea. Yet I almost feel like 343 cares more about the fans they hope to win through this game then the loyal fans who stuck with Halo despite their shortcomings.
Yeah, because “loyal” fans blow their gasket before they even understand how the system will work? We have the smallest of details and already this thread is embarrassing. If “loyal” means quick to criticize with no intention to learn more, then yeah, Halo has a very loyal fanbase!
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> not really bothered about the colour schemes as long as they are diverse enough and somehow achievable in-game I’m happy.
Yea, I see what you mean.The point is, for many many people, they like to have a specific armor color. It’s a form of expression for them. Also taking it away being such a simple thing just seems shady.
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> > > > The only effective weapon against this filth is our wallets. don’t but Infinite, don’t pre order, and don’t buy Infinite sponsored food products. Let them know that this is a bad decision. Hit them where it counts.
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> > > The MP is free anyway, that’s already like 60% of the players pissed away, as for the campaign, well Im buying the rest of it, myself. Maybe its got some issues but if you think the original trilogy was spotless… well it wasnt.
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> > > Anyway yeah just dont contribute to buying it if you dont want to buy it. Im not gonna buy armor colours or designs but I am interested in the campaign.
> >
> > No Bungie good 343i bad don’t you know the rules around here? /s
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> > I’m getting more and more nervous each day that microtranscations will find their way into the single player game (ala Assassin’s Creed), so nowhere is safe for us yet!
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> 
…EXACTLY. Then they took a page from Bungie/Destiny. It’s comical. I really hope none of this bs makes its way into campaign. Campaign has been and always will be my bread and butter, my connection to this franchise.
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> I would have rather had them put maps, dlc under a pay wall instead of these battle passes/micro transactions. I know this may be a hot topic but at least it could potentially protect some of the minor yet core aspects of the game. Then again I believe nothing is left off the table for these transactions after the latest armor coating blunder
Why would armor coating mean anything in the campaign when you play as a sage coloured 7 foot tall mutant who can barely make conversation if it doesnt involve shooting something or not dying.
If it somehow gets into the campaign I’d be annoyed too but frankly they’d have to fudge it up really hard and tbh this? This isnt a major fudge up. This is just an issue that shouldn’t exist, armor colours and coatings can definitely coexist its just I want to be able to colour myself without unlocking the crayola DLC pre-order bonus.
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Well, it’s not hard to see the Microtransactions are really threatening to ruin every aspect of the games we love.
I thought 343 cared about making games with soul and not just money making programs.
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> This forum literally got 5 pages in an hour at this pace it will be bigger than the classic movement forum in a couple days.
It’s an issue that pretty much everybody is on the same page for, and 'm glad to see such interaction.
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> > I think that the fact that this thread has exploded in popularity is proof to 343 that just about the entire Halo community thinks this is a TERRIBLE idea. Yet I almost feel like 343 cares more about the fans they hope to win through this game then the loyal fans who stuck with Halo despite their shortcomings.
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> Yeah, because “loyal” fans blow their gasket before they even understand how the system will work? We have the smallest of details and already this thread is embarrassing. If “loyal” means quick to criticize with no intention to learn more, then yeah, Halo has a very loyal fanbase!
Ah yes, the cycle of defense.
“Just wait, its just been announced”
“Just wait its just the flighting”
“Just wait, its just release, it’ll be fixed”
“Its too late for them to fix it now, they’ll do better next game”
They’ve clearly said they’re getting rid of freedom of color with this system in exchange for one they’re controlling and monetizing. Even if it wasn’t being monetized it’d be bad.
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> > > I guess I’m lucky that colours and coatings are pretty much pointless to me.
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> > > They don’t have any bearing in Campaign or the games I play in Arena - which are reduced to red vs blue anyway.
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> > even if a -Yoink- descission in a game i play does not specificaly harm me, i still stand against it.
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> >
> >
> > > First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—
> > > Because I was not a socialist.
> > > Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—
> > > Because I was not a trade unionist.
> > > Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
> > > Because I was not a Jew.
> > > Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.
>
> I am against the decision as much as the next guy. I have and will continue to speak out against it, but comparing our situation to the -Yoink!- is a bit hyperbolic, wouldn’t you say?
yes is indeed very hyperbolic, but it show the danger of letting bad behavior slip through.
First they came for the colors
but i played team slayer
then they came for the visors
but i used gungnir
then came the pizza-camo’s
and i had no where to go.