Nineteen years of using the same coloring system. It works, its fun. I enjoy it. However, seeing a new style is very, very refreshing, even if it takes player control away. Its so simple to choose two colors. Seeing textures, more color combos, expanded stuff like that. We may see a lot of neat armor colors! I can understand peoples adversity to it from thinking itll add a way to buy them. Multiple times they have said no microtransations or loot boxes… pretty sure they said that over MTXs.
I am saying to you to voice your opinion over Armor Coatings, but be open to a new system. Even try requesting the developers add in the primary and secondary color system. Believe it or not, I agree with them on it being not good enough. For a huge, new game, the opportunity for further experimenting is there. This is one way. The armor itself is beautiful, the colors are great so far, and the textures are realistic.
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> Nineteen years of using the same coloring system. It works, its fun. I enjoy it. However, seeing a new style is very, very refreshing, even if it takes player control away. Its so simple to choose two colors. Seeing textures, more color combos, expanded stuff like that. We may see a lot of neat armor colors! I can understand peoples adversity to it from thinking itll add a way to buy them. Multiple times they have said no microtransations or loot boxes… pretty sure they said that over MTXs.
> I am saying to you to voice your opinion over Armor Coatings, but be open to a new system. Even try requesting the developers add in the primary and secondary color system. Believe it or not, I agree with them on it being not good enough. For a huge, new game, the opportunity for further experimenting is there. This is one way. The armor itself is beautiful, the colors are great so far, and the textures are realistic.
I agree wholeheartedly. Coatings will help usher in this extremely clean customization that we’ve just recently seen. I must say, that 152 reward is looking clean my friend.
I just dont agree. They could easily have colors customizable and make skins for the armors. In fact, they could sell additional color packs like warframe does. Currently halo 5 has 60 colors and with primary secondary system that means there are like 3,600 combinations of colors. They are going to allow us to choose armor pieces individually any way, so why couldn’t we choose its color while we are there? Why couldnt they allow us to choose the textures? Just sell the special stuff in packs but at least let me do what I want with them and apply them how I would like. So far I’m already mad about the 152 rewards because I’m trying to grind for it but they have red. I wont use anything red it’s just not my look so if only I could change the red to blue I could feel more justified to continue my grind but I almost gave up when I saw the armor and weapon coating. It’s extremely obvious they are just trying to look cool for 14 year old kids who they hope will populate their game
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> Nineteen years of using the same coloring system. It works, its fun. I enjoy it. However, seeing a new style is very, very refreshing, even if it takes player control away. Its so simple to choose two colors. Seeing textures, more color combos, expanded stuff like that. We may see a lot of neat armor colors! I can understand peoples adversity to it from thinking itll add a way to buy them. Multiple times they have said no microtransations or loot boxes… pretty sure they said that over MTXs.
> I am saying to you to voice your opinion over Armor Coatings, but be open to a new system. Even try requesting the developers add in the primary and secondary color system. Believe it or not, I agree with them on it being not good enough. For a huge, new game, the opportunity for further experimenting is there. This is one way. The armor itself is beautiful, the colors are great so far, and the textures are realistic.
I seriously do not understand what’s new about coats/skins.
Quake II had skins, and that’s an ancient game.
Quake III Arena introduced different character models, also an old game.
Then there’s of course the, either or, the what we had vs what we get. Yes, people did want more than two colors, people have been talking about more visible secondary colors, and tetriary if those were introduced or when thinking about the white lines.
MechWarrior Online allows you to apply different camouflages to your mechs, and, you can then also color customize three different colors for those camos. Hero mechs also feature unique skins, which in turn also are color customizable. My Mad Cat mkII looks somewhat like a shark in bloodied water, but its original coloring is cyanish.
Doom 2016 gas sliders for you to dirty up your armor.
Dawn of War 1 has a color wheel.
I doubt there’s a single person who’d truly be against having coats with all the layers i343 want to use, where you could color customize all the basic colors for the coat, slide a slider on how worn your armor is, how dirty it is, glossy or matte and whatever other thing all those seven layers are for.
i343 has been working on this game for over five years, and if the best they can muster is an old skin system, they’ve messed up big time. No matter how much fancy tech talk they want to throw our way.
Using Halo 5 as a base for customization items.
Chances are extremely high Infinite will see an extremely overbloated customization item pool, especially in the Coats department, because they’ve said it’s so easy to create them, much to our detriment, the players’ detriment.
Ps, they’ve said there won’t be real money loot boxes.
MTXs was never out of the question.
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> > Nineteen years of using the same coloring system. It works, its fun. I enjoy it. However, seeing a new style is very, very refreshing, even if it takes player control away. Its so simple to choose two colors. Seeing textures, more color combos, expanded stuff like that. We may see a lot of neat armor colors! I can understand peoples adversity to it from thinking itll add a way to buy them. Multiple times they have said no microtransations or loot boxes… pretty sure they said that over MTXs.
> > I am saying to you to voice your opinion over Armor Coatings, but be open to a new system. Even try requesting the developers add in the primary and secondary color system. Believe it or not, I agree with them on it being not good enough. For a huge, new game, the opportunity for further experimenting is there. This is one way. The armor itself is beautiful, the colors are great so far, and the textures are realistic.
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> I seriously do not understand what’s new about coats/skins.
> Quake II had skins, and that’s an ancient game.
> Quake III Arena introduced different character models, also an old game.
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> Then there’s of course the, either or, the what we had vs what we get. Yes, people did want more than two colors, people have been talking about more visible secondary colors, and tetriary if those were introduced or when thinking about the white lines.
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> MechWarrior Online allows you to apply different camouflages to your mechs, and, you can then also color customize three different colors for those camos. Hero mechs also feature unique skins, which in turn also are color customizable. My Mad Cat mkII looks somewhat like a shark in bloodied water, but its original coloring is cyanish.
> Doom 2016 gas sliders for you to dirty up your armor.
> Dawn of War 1 has a color wheel.
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> I doubt there’s a single person who’d truly be against having coats with all the layers i343 want to use, where you could color customize all the basic colors for the coat, slide a slider on how worn your armor is, how dirty it is, glossy or matte and whatever other thing all those seven layers are for.
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> i343 has been working on this game for over five years, and if the best they can muster is an old skin system, they’ve messed up big time. No matter how much fancy tech talk they want to throw our way.
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> Using Halo 5 as a base for customization items.
> Chances are extremely high Infinite will see an extremely overbloated customization item pool, especially in the Coats department, because they’ve said it’s so easy to create them, much to our detriment, the players’ detriment.
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> Ps, they’ve said there won’t be real money loot boxes.
> MTXs was never out of the question.
You should check out my waypoint post called armor coatings need a change. I think you’d agree with some points I make there and I agree, coatings are just old skins. For me personally I just hate the restriction they put on, you have to have this skin with the color WE chose, when they could add all those skins and colors separately from eachother. The bundling of it all together is just restrictive at best
I would only agree if the coatings are “per piece” customizable, and we get the base colours from the get go.
Edit : Imagine if they even let us mix and match up to three different coatings, that would alone be better than anything we’ve seen before.
No one actually has problems with armor coatings as a concept. Do you really think anyone would actually complain about more ways to add their own spin on their spartan?
The issue is the lack of choice. They could have done everything they wanted to do with coatings while still giving players control over colors, level of grime, etc while offering a wider variety of patterns but they didn’t. Even if we pretend that would somehow be impossible, they could have still given us a base coating with the usual customizable colors, but they chose not to.
As much as these AAA devs love to talk about all the “options” they are giving us as far as customization is concerned, they don’t actually want you to be satisfied with how you look and stick to it for any length of time. If you could easily find your ideal combination of armor and coloring, you aren’t as likely to spend money on constant influx of new skins and other items. Discontent is built into the fabric of these F2P games. The harder you make it for players to tweak how they look, the more likely it is that they are going to spend money to try and reach that point, but of course you can’t make it too miserable or the playerbase will just give up entirely.
I was very worried about the direction Infinite would go in after going F2P, and the armor coatings have only made me worry more.
“But the coatings look cool.” is not reassuring. It only serves as a distraction so you won’t think about the raw deal you are getting. And the sad thing is that it looks like it has largely worked. Just throw out a few screenshots and some platitudes about how “we are listening”(as if we haven’t been hearing that same line for years) and a large part of the community is right back on the uncritical hype train.
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> No one actually has problems with armor coatings as a concept. Do you really think anyone would actually complain about more ways to add their own spin on their spartan?
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> The issue is the lack of choice. They could have done everything they wanted to do with coatings while still giving players control over colors, level of grime, etc while offering a wider variety of patterns but they didn’t. Even if we pretend that would somehow be impossible, they could have still given us a base coating with the usual customizable colors, but they chose not to.
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> As much as these AAA devs love to talk about all the “options” they are giving us as far as customization is concerned, they don’t actually want you to be satisfied with how you look and stick to it for any length of time. If you could easily find your ideal combination of armor and coloring, you aren’t as likely to spend money on constant influx of new skins and other items. Discontent is built into the fabric of these F2P games. The harder you make it for players to tweak how they look, the more likely it is that they are going to spend money to try and reach that point, but of course you can’t make it too miserable or the playerbase will just give up entirely.
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> I was very worried about the direction Infinite would go in after going F2P, and the armor coatings have only made me worry more.
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> “But the coatings look cool.” is not reassuring. It only serves as a distraction so you won’t think about the raw deal you are getting. And the sad thing is that it looks like it has largely worked. Just throw out a few screenshots and some platitudes about how “we are listening”(as if we haven’t been hearing that same line for years) and a large part of the community is right back on the uncritical hype train.
Its just business. If they aint making money then we get less actual gaming content. Personally im glad 343 didnt give players freedom to design what they want. I dont wanna see dumb looking or just underwhelming spartans people would inevitably create in game and i like that 343 have full control of the paint job. I think this business model is whats best for halo, business wise and immersion wise.
I don’t really get the criticism. I think gameplay is the only important part of the game and never cared about armor customization in any Halo game. But the armor coatings in infinite? They actually look good. Way better then any custom created spartan that is possible. If the gameplay is solid, I am definitely purchasing some armor to support 343.
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> Its just business.
There are other succesful ways of conducting business than this route they’re taking.
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> If they aint making money then we get less actual gaming content.
I seriously doubt they’re taking a certain percentage of their earninga and putting it to gameplay content.
Most likely scenario is that a set sum is dedicated towarda gameplay content, then some for cosmetics. The rest goes to pockets and bank accounts.
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> Personally im glad 343 didnt give players freedom to design what they want. I dont wanna see dumb looking or just underwhelming spartans people would inevitably create in game and i like that 343 have full control of the paint job. I think this business model is whats best for halo, business wise and immersion wise.
Ah yes, player freedom is bad.
Which is the reason Forge and Custom Game Modes never became big, and are safe to axe.
You’re most likely going to see ugly and underwhelming spartans because ugly easily obtainable skins are an incentive to spend money on better looking skins.
Oh yeah, i343 in charge of skins, did we already forget the Pizza and French Fries skins?
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> I don’t really get the criticism. I think gameplay is the only important part of the game and never cared about armor customization in any Halo game. But the armor coatings in infinite? They actually look good. Way better then any custom created spartan that is possible. If the gameplay is solid, I am definitely purchasing some armor to support 343.
i343 aren’t improving color customization, they’re changing one system for a more restricted one.
Color customization with coats would be the best option at this point.
“Supporting” them by purchasing skins only drive the stake deeper, and they’ll continue to try to monetize harder, at the expense of the players.
Over the years, paying for these practices has lead us to this situation we currently are in with regards to loot boxes, MTXs and battle passes.
i343 won’t see you supporting the game, they’ll see that you’re fine with them not innovating, and stripping things out, and selling them back to you.
Would it be nicer for 343 to give us the option of changing colors on different armor pieces ourselves? Absolutely. Are armor coatings the worst thing to happen to Halo customization? No—not by a long shot. Most of the people who are frustrated do have valid concerns, but I still think some are being a bit overdramatic.
Imagine defending a system that restricts player choice so that the dev can make more money.
Warframe solved this issue years ago, take inspiration.
Personally I think it’s -Yoink- to take money from armor colours. They should make the Halo 5 colours stay and returning to the black undersuit is very good.
Patterns or camo like the warthogs in Halo 5 has, could also be added as an option.
If you absolutely wanted to put something behind a paywall make some special colours like gold, silver, bronze or some really nice patterns. But please, the simple colours should be as it was. Why havn’t 343I learned? No, they don’t care about the community? Why? Because they changes something that works. And if they want to make things fresh, just add extra stuff?!
I don’t know where you heard no mtx but 343i have confirmed there will be mtx. Coatings definitely will be monetized. It is true that there won’t be lootboxes though, that’s been confirmed as well.
I think the fact that they’re adding different patterns and textures is very cool, just sucks that they’re seemingly tied to coatings.
I am still very cautious about the new system, mainly because of how badly it can turn out as we saw with Halo 5s armor customization. I think if they don’t make it difficult to get the basic color pallet for players but make the more specialized and crazier looking ones be the somewhat harder ones to get.
I still believe that the best outcome would be to have these “coatings” be the patterns, textures, and wear and tear on the armor and let US choose the colors.
After seeing the armor in game it definitely looks insanely good… Like I was drooling kinda good. I just worry about the monetization of the game.
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> Its just business. If they aint making money then we get less actual gaming content. Personally im glad 343 didnt give players freedom to design what they want. I dont wanna see dumb looking or just underwhelming spartans people would inevitably create in game and i like that 343 have full control of the paint job. I think this business model is whats best for halo, business wise and immersion wise.
“Its just business” I guess they can also bring back gambling mechanics because “its just business” right? “Its just business” is not an excuse to cut certain aspects of player customization in order to frustrate players into spending more money. No one is saying a business can make money, but business can and should be reigned in depending on how they choose to make that money.
Also your personal taste isn’t a good reason to limit player expression. I don’t know why you are expecting “immersion” in multiplayer in the first place, especially from the company that brought us unicorn helmets and pizza skins.
Do I understand the mechanics of making a f2p game profitable and think coatings have the potential to be an awesome addition?
Yes.
Do I also think there should be a basic primary/secondary free option if people would prefer that while awaiting a coating they think is worth paying for?
Also yes.
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> I seriously doubt they’re taking a certain percentage of their earninga and putting it to gameplay content.
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> > Personally im glad 343 didnt give players freedom to design what they want. I dont wanna see dumb looking or just underwhelming spartans people would inevitably create in game and i like that 343 have full control of the paint job. I think this business model is whats best for halo, business wise and immersion wise.
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> Ah yes, player freedom is bad.
> Which is the reason Forge and Custom Game Modes never became big, and are safe to axe.
> You’re most likely going to see ugly and underwhelming spartans because ugly easily obtainable skins are an incentive to spend money on better looking skins.
> Oh yeah, i343 in charge of skins, did we already forget the Pizza and French Fries skins?
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> > I don’t really get the criticism. I think gameplay is the only important part of the game and never cared about armor customization in any Halo game. But the armor coatings in infinite? They actually look good. Way better then any custom created spartan that is possible. If the gameplay is solid, I am definitely purchasing some armor to support 343.
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> i343 aren’t improving color customization, they’re changing one system for a more restricted one.
> Color customization with coats would be the best option at this point.
> “Supporting” them by purchasing skins only drive the stake deeper, and they’ll continue to try to monetize harder, at the expense of the players.
> Over the years, paying for these practices has lead us to this situation we currently are in with regards to loot boxes, MTXs and battle passes.
> i343 won’t see you supporting the game, they’ll see that you’re fine with them not innovating, and stripping things out, and selling them back to you.
To me, the Halo Infinite armor looks way better. Compared to color customization of past halo games, these coats are far superior. I think this is a losing battle for you. How are you gonna convince people not to buy all these cool spartan armor coatings? You might be able to gather 100,000 people to boycott all the cool armor coatings, but there will be millions willing to buy.
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> To me, the Halo Infinite armor looks way better. Compared to color customization of past halo games, these coats are far superior. I think this is a losing battle for you. How are you gonna convince people not to buy all these cool spartan armor coatings? You might be able to gather 100,000 people to boycott all the cool armor coatings, but there will be millions willing to buy.
What if I told you they could have all the cool new features of armor coatings and color customization? We could have easily had both, but they chose not to.
I guess we should bring back lootboxes since a lot of people bought those too…
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> > To me, the Halo Infinite armor looks way better. Compared to color customization of past halo games, these coats are far superior. I think this is a losing battle for you. How are you gonna convince people not to buy all these cool spartan armor coatings? You might be able to gather 100,000 people to boycott all the cool armor coatings, but there will be millions willing to buy.
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> What if I told you they could have all the cool new features of armor coatings and color customization? We could have easily had both, but they chose not to.
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> I guess we should bring back lootboxes since a lot of people bought those too…
You are in some delusional world though… there will not be lootboxes in Halo Infinite. You are definitely gonna lose this battle unless you can gather over a 100,000 people and convince them to boycott the coolest spartan armor in halo history. Good luck.