Arena does not reflect skill adequately

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It is true. How can a ranking system that focuses one ONE playlist be an accurate reflection in skill? There are plenty of other gametypes it is equally legitimate to say constitute skill, eg. FFA, Objective etc., so why are these ignored?

Also, the matches in Arena are terribly unbalanced, leading to people unfairly moving up or down because the game is matching Onyx with Iron against all Onyx etc. It is nothing short of an abomination, and I for one, do not take any notice of the arena ranks. I have seen Bronze players who are amazing, yet held back by their constantly badly matched teammates.

Until the system is changed, I think that the ranks are pretty meaningless. They are too reliant on testing one MINUTE gamestyle, and are reliant on POOR MATCHES, and I will not take any notice of my arena rank until then.

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lol sounds like a bad kid just got stepped on so now he’s whining on the forums.

Look champ, if you can’t get onyx, you suck ass

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what a garbage kids admiral crispy is

Look at all those losses and negative games

your pretty bad my friend, lol.

Rockin that 1.3 K/D coupled with your 53% win loss ratio and that smokin hott Halo 3 colonel (lvl 40 lmfao)

I’d say…you are lucky to even be in Silver.

But based on your stats, I would say that Arena does indeed NOT show skill because you don’t even deserve to be that high up.

Get a life

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> Yoink!

People like you are the bane of the forums. I have made some very valid points, and all you can say is that anyone not in the top 5% of a broken playlist is bad? Your sheer arrogance makes me think that you cannot see what is obvious. Are you worried that more playlists mean more Onyx players, and your emblem won;t mean so much? Being the top 5% does not mean you are the only decent players. Otherwise you will find that only a small percentage of a small percentage of people who actually play arena are ‘any good’ in your world.

You are unfortunately part of a stereotype that give Onyx a bad name. There are plenty of non arrogant Onyx [players out there who are respectful to others and resepct their opinions, and it is unfortunate that a minority like you tarnish that reputation. My point did not even mention that different players are rubbish, so I am annoyed that you could go ahead and shout your mouth off like you have.

What I was commenting on was that the playlist mechanics, and indeed the lack of playlists, are what is wrong with the playlist. How you can then say anyone other than Onyx sucks is beyond me

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Oh and btw, I’d like to you to explain to me how ONE playlist is enough to determine all types of skill (which my post is addressing, along with the poor matchups)

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You sit there and complain about “onyx matching up with iron” and yet you contradict yourself by saying the arena doesn’t reflect your skill level.

Clearly it does; Arena is actually the only playlist that matches you up with other player’s around your skill level.

Think of it this way

In Halo 3 there were ranks 1-50 right?
-now when searching in Halo 3 you could play anyone with the range of 10 above or below your skill.
Example: A 30 could play anyone between 20-50 because it is 10 above and below.

In Halo Reach there are 5 symbols. iron bronze silver gold and onyx.
Each symbol combined with a percentage is equal to your Halo 3 ranks
Example: Gold is the 4th, thus repping a 40 so if you are top 80% gold you would be a 42.

Once you hit onyx that is 50; therefore the divisions within onyx are simply a pecking order of whose the “best 50 versus the worst”

Now lets take you. you were a halo 3 colonel (40) and last season you were gold top 80%. That’s about a 42.
See? it adds up.

it is not hard to get onyx if you are a competent player and before you say “you have to play a bunch” thats not true either. 2 seasons ago i play maybe 40 games and was top 25% onyx when the season ended

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> It is true. How can a ranking system that focuses one ONE playlist be an accurate reflection in skill? There are plenty of other gametypes it is equally legitimate to say constitute skill, eg. FFA, Objective etc., so why are these ignored?
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> Also, the matches in Arena are terribly unbalanced, leading to people unfairly moving up or down because the game is matching Onyx with Iron against all Onyx etc. It is nothing short of an abomination, and I for one, do not take any notice of the arena ranks. I have seen Bronze players who are amazing, yet held back by their constantly badly matched teammates.
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> Until the system is changed, I think that the ranks are pretty meaningless. They are too reliant on testing one MINUTE gamestyle, and are reliant on POOR MATCHES, and I will not take any notice of my arena rank until then.

"because the game is matching Onyx with Iron against all Onyx etc."

This does not happen, lol. The only time this situation occurs is when a team of 4 intentfully play with an iron division player in order to help boost their own ranks.

"I have seen Bronze players who are amazing, yet held back by their constantly badly matched teammates."

lol you suck, so what you consider “amazing” doesn’t really say much

Bottom line, we need more ranked playlists. But the need for more ranked playlists is not at all relevant to you and you cannot use it as an excuse for being silver.

My doubles partner for fun lost 80 game in the arena. He had 6 kills and over 580 deaths and he was awared top 95% iron. That being said that shows that in order to get a rank that awful you have to be pretty bad at this game.

The only reason you are unhappy with the arena is there actually is true skill, and therefore you’re not playing guests and being pitted against random opponents.
In a 4v4 playlist with minor armor abilites and dmr starts on every map, you get stuck at silver to gold. Noting your 1.3 KD and your 40 in Halo 3 that sounds about right

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> Oh and btw, I’d like to you to explain to me how ONE playlist is enough to determine all types of skill (which my post is addressing, along with the poor matchups)

One playlist will not completely determine your skill in the many facets of Halo skill, but it will give a pretty good idea.

There are many common factors between the several playlists in Halo. Teamwork, communication, power weapon control, map control, spawn control, awareness, raw aiming skill and more are all common among every playlist.

Sure, there are definitely a different set of skill that go with BTB or SWAT compared to the Arena, but if you are good at arena (4v4 slayer), you will be good at all, or at least enough of those factors I listed. Those factors will carry over to almost every other playlist (FFA is really the only one that is vastly different).

And what you said about iron getting matched against all onyx players only happens when that iron player parties up with an onyx player. And if you see a bronze division player do amazing it is because they had a good game or are not at their proper arena rank.

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Also for the record I said nothing of “top 5%”.
All I stated was that if you are incapable of getting an onyx you are an incompetent player.

I don’t care about a rank regardless, I’ll stomp you with or without a rank.

Bottom line, you’re bad, deal with it.

The reason I am “the bane of these forums” or as it should actually read “the bane of kids like you”
is because you’re just not good. I’m sorry for ya, you will never be good. So learn to like that ugly oprah book club sticker lookin thing we call Gold. you’re just mad because you complained about your arena and i showed you with your own stats why it is that you are so low in the arena.

your OVERALL KD is 1.3, lol thats in all gametypes. So don’t act like IF there was some magic playlist that you’d suddenly become awesome and get a better emblem

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> > Oh and btw, I’d like to you to explain to me how ONE playlist is enough to determine all types of skill (which my post is addressing, along with the poor matchups)
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> One playlist will not completely determine your skill in the many facets of Halo skill, but it will give a pretty good idea.
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> There are many common factors between the several playlists in Halo. Teamwork, communication, power weapon control, map control, spawn control, awareness, raw aiming skill and more are all common among every playlist.
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> Sure, there are definitely a different set of skill that go with BTB or SWAT compared to the Arena, but if you are good at arena (4v4 slayer), you will be good at all, or at least enough of those factors I listed. Those factors will carry over to almost every other playlist (FFA is really the only one that is vastly different).
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> And what you said about iron getting matched against all onyx players only happens when that iron player parties up with an onyx player. And if you see a bronze division player do amazing it is because they had a good game or are not at their proper arena rank.

Thank you, its good to know not everyone is mentally challenged

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> > Oh and btw, I’d like to you to explain to me how ONE playlist is enough to determine all types of skill (which my post is addressing, along with the poor matchups)
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> One playlist will not completely determine your skill in the many facets of Halo skill, but it will give a pretty good idea.
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> There are many common factors between the several playlists in Halo. Teamwork, communication, power weapon control, map control, spawn control, awareness, raw aiming skill and more are all common among every playlist.
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> Sure, there are definitely a different set of skill that go with BTB or SWAT compared to the Arena, but if you are good at arena (4v4 slayer), you will be good at all, or at least enough of those factors I listed. Those factors will carry over to almost every other playlist (FFA is really the only one that is vastly different).
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> And what you said about iron getting matched against all onyx players only happens when that iron player parties up with an onyx player. And if you see a bronze division player do amazing it is because they had a good game or are not at their proper arena rank.

Thank you; its good to know not everyone is mentally handicapped

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I just want to point out one thing: I never once said that I was this awesome Bronze player. I was referring to what I had seen from other games by other people. Also, I was very happy to get Gold seeing as TS is one of my worst playlists - I got my 40 in LW, and only got 30 in TS, so I was actually amazed I got that high. And yes I have seen Bronze players owning Onyx but ultimately losing due to his teammates going very negative. It happens.

Also, saying that more playlists won’t affect me is rubbish - different people have different playstyles and mine is suited to FFA. I may bot get Gold and Onyx, but I’;d rather that opportunity to actually prove it to myself, not based off of what you say. TS is nowhere near suited to me, and I accept that, and I am not complaining about any of my overall division placements. But surely, testing more than one skill type is better than one.

Also, by and large, I would say that Silver players (excluding me) are decent at the game and all have K/D ratios well above 1. That is clearly good, but not exceptional. Your definition of good being only Onyx is way off the mark, since it is generally considered that sopmeone a bit above average is good in most other forms of life.

Oh, and the reasons I don;t like arena are noted in my first post, no ulterior motives. I preffered halo 3 which had no AA etc., which was a purer form of the game, even if I was not a 50 etc. I would rather be beaten by skill, not by anything else. Also, I don;t like playling parties with guests, so another assumption of yours is wrong. In fact I would be much happier playing ranked matches all the time, with no AA.

Also, saying I ‘suck’ is again arrogance. I have never once gone around saying Iron players are rubbish, or Bronze players etc. So what makes you think it is ok to say I suck because I am a lower division to you? Yes, some players are better than others, but to throw around insults is inexcusable and pathetic.

Oh, and btw, I was using my article to say that Arena isn’t a true reflection of skill when other playlists aren;t involved. Different people have different skills which need to be tested for the game to gauge their highest skill properly. I’m sure that some FFA players, for instance, hate Team games, and would always wonder off and not play as a team player, or lack the tactical nous of a team player than as a FFA player. Again, I’m not saying me, I’m speaking of a hypothetical which is bounf to be true for some

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I just want to point out one thing: I never once said that I was this awesome Bronze player. I was referring to what I had seen from other games by other people. Also, I was very happy to get Gold seeing as TS is one of my worst playlists - I got my 40 in LW, and only got 30 in TS, so I was actually amazed I got that high. And yes I have seen Bronze players owning Onyx but ultimately losing due to his teammates going very negative. It happens.

Also, saying that more playlists won’t affect me is rubbish - different people have different playstyles and mine is suited to FFA. I may bot get Gold and Onyx, but I’;d rather that opportunity to actually prove it to myself, not based off of what you say. TS is nowhere near suited to me, and I accept that, and I am not complaining about any of my overall division placements. But surely, testing more than one skill type is better than one.

Also, by and large, I would say that Silver players (excluding me) are decent at the game and all have K/D ratios well above 1. That is clearly good, but not exceptional. Your definition of good being only Onyx is way off the mark, since it is generally considered that sopmeone a bit above average is good in most other forms of life.

Oh, and the reasons I don;t like arena are noted in my first post, no ulterior motives. I preffered halo 3 which had no AA etc., which was a purer form of the game, even if I was not a 50 etc. I would rather be beaten by skill, not by anything else. Also, I don;t like playling parties with guests, so another assumption of yours is wrong. In fact I would be much happier playing ranked matches all the time, with no AA.

Also, saying I ‘suck’ is again arrogance. I have never once gone around saying Iron players are rubbish, or Bronze players etc. So what makes you think it is ok to say I suck because I am a lower division to you? Yes, some players are better than others, but to throw around insults is inexcusable and pathetic.

Oh, and btw, I was using my article to say that Arena isn’t a true reflection of skill when other playlists aren;t involved. Different people have different skills which need to be tested for the game to gauge their highest skill properly. I’m sure that some FFA players, for instance, hate Team games, and would always wonder off and not play as a team player, or lack the tactical nous of a team player than as a FFA player. Again, I’m not saying me, I’m speaking of a hypothetical which is bounf to be true for some

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Actually, it says that FFA is vastly different, one of the points I made earlier, and it says that it gives an idea of player’s skills, which I do not disagree with. It does, give an idea, but not an exact answer for all playlists, which is what I;m calling for, and why I am saying that Arena is not good enough. This is why new playlists are needed. And btw, not every 50 got their 50s in the same playlists, or always got 50s in every one. The fcat that people got different levels for different playlists shows that not all skills are completely transferrable, hence why more playlists are needed.

Just because I disagree with you does not mean I am mentally handicapped, and in fact most of the time you have made incorrect assumptions about me based upon what I have said (and have in fact largely misinterpreted what I have said).

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> Actually, it says that FFA is vastly different, one of the points I made earlier, and it says that it gives an idea of player’s skills, which I do not disagree with. It does, give an idea, but not an exact answer for all playlists, which is what I;m calling for, and why I am saying that Arena is not good enough. This is why new playlists are needed. And btw, not every 50 got their 50s in the same playlists, or always got 50s in every one. The fcat that people got different levels for different playlists shows that not all skills are completely transferrable, hence why more playlists are needed.
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> Just because I disagree with you does not mean I am mentally handicapped, and in fact most of the time you have made incorrect assumptions about me based upon what I have said (and have in fact largely misinterpreted what I have said).

You are making it seem like the Arena is utterly worthless, that nobody is at the rank they deserve, every match is a mismatch, etc… I know you don’t mean it like that, but still. Even your title is phrased like the arena ranks mean nothing.

Ignoring all the derankers and people who aren’t at their proper level (because you will have players like that no matter the ranking system), when you see an Onyx player, he will be good no matter what playlist you are in. That will be true the MAJORITY of the time. And the majority of the time you see an iron player he will be bad.

That goes against everything you are saying, which is why you got the responses you did. Arena rank does reflect skill adequately.

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Arena is very accurate.

A Bronze player who should be significantly higher? No.
Either they didn’t play enough games to get an accurate trueskill, intentionally lost, or you are simply overrating their abilities.

All Iron against all Onyx? No, this does not happen. The closest you get is:

  1. People who were onyx in previous seasons have not yet gotten their trueskill rank locked in yet.
    Once again, they just need to play more games.
  2. People play many games but keep it to below 4 per day so that they cannot get an actual division. This allows them to get a very high trueskill without being placed in a division
  3. Some players went on a huge winning or losing streak in that day and just haven’t had their division updated yet.

For the “All silver vs. all gold” type of games, you have to remember that the silvers will not be punished for losing this type of match, so it doesn’t matter anyway. The ranking system just couldn’t find another team near your skill and decided to give you a chance to prove that you deserve a higher division.

Good at different gametypes:
The differences are very minimal. A legit bronze is bad no matter what gametype he is playing.
Legit Bronze/Silvers will NEVER do well, it doesn’t matter what the gametype is (obviously excluding those which have 0 skillgap such as derpball and herping dead).

Can a bronze get silver in another playlist? Maybe, but the changes are so minimal that it doesn’t even matter.