When gaming gets to the point of this conversation “Destiny TTK’s TTK is TK.” You have to ask yourself this. Honestly half the things I read are abbreviations. Ok maybe less than that but if you have two abbreviations that are exactly the same you’ve gotta stop. If not what’s to prevent everything from getting abbreviated and everyone speaking in letters instead of words? You really should take the time to type out the full words you mean, otherwise you are simply lazy.
What are some other ones that are commonly used? All I can think of at the moment is AFK. I guess there’s MCI and NPC as well.
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> What are some other ones that are commonly use? All I can think of at the moment is AFK. I guess there’s MCI and NPC as well.
Maybe think of it more even as a cultural thing. Don’t limit them to gaming. If anyone would make a list here I’m sure my point would be illustrated well. My point being is that it does the opposite of what it is intended for- clutters language and sentences and confuses readers.
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> Maybe think of it more even as a cultural thing. Don’t limit them to gaming. If anyone would make a list here I’m sure my point would be illustrated well. My point being is that it does the opposite of what it is intended for- clutters language and sentences and confuses readers.
Is it also kind of an exclusivity thing too? Like “oh, you don’t know what that means, so you must not be good enough to be a part of it”. It’s also used very much by the government - they love their alphabet soup.
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Lol, yes. That too. And yeah, but I HALF understand that use just because of the sheer size of things they deal with. Like 1000 page bills and -Yoink-. I don’t know how (or why) they do it there honestly but yes. Using your words instead of letters definitely shows (if not just a little more) that you know your stuff.
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> When gaming gets to the point of this conversation “Destiny TTK’s TTK is TK.” You have to ask yourself this. Honestly half the things I read are abbreviations. Ok maybe less than that but if you have two abbreviations that are exactly the same you’ve gotta stop. If not what’s to prevent everything from getting abbreviated and everyone speaking in letters instead of words? You really should take the time to type out the full words you mean, otherwise you are simply lazy.
Well, the point of language is to be understood and it is natural for subgroups to develop their own jargon (with abbreviations being apart of it.) As long as the message is getting across it really shouldn’t be an issue; particularly with the space limitations imposed by the forum. There isn’t a good reason for me to tape Time-to-kill when TTK will be understood by the vast majority on the forum. As long as confusion doesn’t result it really doesn’t matter.
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> > When gaming gets to the point of this conversation “Destiny TTK’s TTK is TK.” You have to ask yourself this. Honestly half the things I read are abbreviations. Ok maybe less than that but if you have two abbreviations that are exactly the same you’ve gotta stop. If not what’s to prevent everything from getting abbreviated and everyone speaking in letters instead of words? You really should take the time to type out the full words you mean, otherwise you are simply lazy.
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> Well, the point of language is to be understood and it is natural for subgroups to develop their own jargon (with abbreviations being apart of it.) As long as the message is getting across it really shouldn’t be an issue; particularly with the space limitations imposed by the forum. There isn’t a good reason for me to tape Time-to-kill when TTK will be understood by the vast majority on the forum. As long as confusion doesn’t result it really doesn’t matter.
That’s my point. I believe it is getting to the point of causing confusion. The first time I heard the conversation I first used as an example I didn’t know what either was referring to and seeing two of the same combinations of letters in the same sentence just nullifies the whole thing.
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> > > A typo TQ (two quick) would be my first instinct. When gaming gets to the point of this conversation “Destiny TTK’s TTK is TK.” You have to ask yourself this. Honestly half the things I read are abbreviations. Ok maybe less than that but if you have two abbreviations that are exactly the same you’ve gotta stop. If not what’s to prevent everything from getting abbreviated and everyone speaking in letters instead of words? You really should take the time to type out the full words you mean, otherwise you are simply lazy.
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To be honest I’m not certain what the TK by itself was referring to as that usually means Team Killer. A typo TQ (too quick) would be my first instinct. However, I’m in my thirties have never played destiny and still realized the first TTK was The Taken King and the second was Time-to-kill. If I were part of that community I likely would have a better idea what they were on about. Like I pointed out each little segment is going to create their own terms and usages. CE, BR, PoA, SA, AA, MCC we know this because we’re part of this community, because we use them regularly. It is designed to be insular, to keep the people who don’t belong out (even if those of us that use it don’t intend it to be that way.) It is just a part of group dynamics in general. The best thing I can tell you is that you don’t need to be afraid to ask someone to clarify. Was it the best choice of whomever wrote that? Probably not, but it doesn’t make using abbreviations or jargon inherently bad.
Thankfully google exists, without it I’d be so lost with all the abbreviations to that apply to multiple games and internet memes, etc
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> > > > A typo TQ (two quick) would be my first instinct. When gaming gets to the point of this conversation “Destiny TTK’s TTK is TK.” You have to ask yourself this. Honestly half the things I read are abbreviations. Ok maybe less than that but if you have two abbreviations that are exactly the same you’ve gotta stop. If not what’s to prevent everything from getting abbreviated and everyone speaking in letters instead of words? You really should take the time to type out the full words you mean, otherwise you are simply lazy.
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> To be honest I’m not certain what the TK by itself was referring to as that usually means Team Killer. A typo TQ (two quick) would be my first instinct. However, I’m in my thirties have never played destiny and still realized the first TTK was The Taken King and the second was Time-to-kill. If I were part of that community I likely would have a better idea what they were on about. Like I pointed out each little segment is going to create their own terms and usages. CE, BR, PoA, SA, AA, MCC we know this because we’re part of this community, because we use them regularly. It is designed to be insular, to keep the people who don’t belong out (even if those of us that use it don’t intend it to be that way.) It is just a part of group dynamics in general. The best thing I can tell you is that you don’t need to be afraid to ask someone to clarify. Was it the best choice of whomever wrote that? Probably not, but it doesn’t make using abbreviations or jargon inherently bad.
Good point and will do next time this pops up. Just saying if much of that intermixes -Yoink-'s going to get crazy.
ATHTIISTINEDI! OW…
(And the hilarious thing is that I’m not even doing it! Oh wait…)
It’s true that any group will eventually develop its own jargon, which is bound to include abbreviations for long technical terms. I don’t think terms that map to the same abbreviation are as much of a problem as they may seem. While that would be the case if the individual abbreviations were all we had, the reality is that language has this very nice property called context. One nasty example that comes to mind in relation to game forums is OP, which—as you may know—can stand for overpowered, original post, and original poster. However, when one says “that weapon is OP”, “OP is a troll”, “I read the OP”, or “the OP says so”, none of these have enough contextual ambiquity to be a real problem. In the first three, there’s only one term that is contextually sensible. In the last one, there are two, but even there “original poster” is the more natural one.
It’s very rare that the same abberviation turns up naturally in the same sentence. Sure, I can make up example sentences such as “the OP said in the OP that the weapon is OP”. But not only is this semantically clear, it’s unlikely to turn up in regular discussion. In fact, as far as OP is concerned, I conjecture that it might be impossible to make a sensible sentence with two different OPs which would be semantically unclear.
Ultimately, the discussion about how much we want to use abbreviations is a discussion about how easy we want to make our discussion for new people to get into. The people who are already in on the jargon won’t have problems. They know what the abbreviations mean, and even if there are multiple colliding terms, they can reconstruct the meaning of the sentence in the right context. The people who will have problems are the people who don’t know what a given abbreviation means to begin with. In which case, yes, abbreviations are a problem. It’s really for this reason that I’ve taken the approach that I try to abbreviate as little as possible. There are terms which I generally assume to be known, such as BR which even appears in the games, and OP which is widely known internet jargon. But I tend to shy away from too many abbreviations, partly perhaps to make it easier for people to understand, but admittedly largely due to a stylistic choice (abberviations done in captial letters pop out, which generally looks typographically unpleasant, so I try to minimize that).
When it comes to other people? I guess abbreviating might be called lazy, but so can using contractions. But in defense of abberviations: sometimes abbreviating can be stylistically a good choice. The most obvious example is MCC. “Master Chief Collection” is not only tedious for the writer to write every time if it appears a lot, but can repeatedly also make the text appear more repetitive and hence tiresome to the reader. Another point to be made is that for the reader who knows the abbreviations, the abberviated version may actually be faster to read as “MCC” is faster to understand than “Master Chief Collection” which the reader needs to first parse before interpreting. Abberviations are a notational convention. “MCC” is not only a representation of the three initial letters of Master, Chief, and Collection, but it’s also a symbol that the (initiated) reader immediately understands. So, there is definitely more to abbreviations than pure laziness.
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sounds like you have a problem with making things shorter. Are you just upset about your small -Yoink-?
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> sounds like you have a problem with making things shorter. Are you just upset about your small -Yoink-?
Nice try. We are all upset about your toxicity.
Eh, I don’t abbreviate much so.
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is this suppose to be some sexual innuendo? everyone knows the brittney spears’s song ok
Errrrrr… What?