Very proud of my wife, who picked up Halo recently and did so well last night that she was messaged by someone angrily accusing her of cheating at Halo. I’ve played consistently since day one and never gotten those kinds of results, and I’m proud that the student has become the master.
She isn’t used to that “dialogue” and was trying to help this kid at first by recommending her thumbstick grips and dead zone settings. That got me thinking: are analog enhancements like thumbstick grips cheating? They seem to be a cheap way to mimic the stick height of the official Elite controller, but I’m no expert.
Absolutely not. Everyone has their own way of playing, so why should it matter? Go on, keep playing with those thumbstick extensions!
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> Absolutely not. Everyone has their own way of playing, so why should it matter? Go on, keep playing with those thumbstick extensions!
Thanks, awesome! I didn’t think so either, but she asked and I actually had never asked anyone else. She’s so proud of that match that she doesn’t want to play anymore for now to leave her achievement untarnished 
No it wouldn’t count as cheating the person who insulted her was probably jealous or mad or both. Everyone has their own way of playing and cheating is something like if she would have broke out the map with a sniper and killed people the entire game or used something that isn’t meant to be in the game in the first place
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> She isn’t used to that “dialogue” and was trying to help this kid at first by recommending her thumbstick grips and dead zone settings.
She handled it a lot better than I would’ve
Her: trys to help the kid
Me: I continue to troll them until I feel fit to see me stop or in other words…
I sit there and whatever he says I come up with a smart remark
If they are cheating than Microsoft has some explaining to do with the Elite Controller…
Totally not, I use the paddles on the back of my elite and I still ain’t the best player around. The controller does not make the player.
Calling anything “cheating” implies that there are some agreed upon rules prohibiting it. If no such rule has been established, then there’s no cheating involved. In this case, the rules of Xbox Live mention nothing about nonstandard controllers. So, it’s pretty unambiguously not cheating in matchmaking.
Putting that aside, labeling any controller enhancements that don’t outright do something on behalf of the player “cheating” is silly. Things like analog stick grips are all about getting rid of the deficiencies of the standard controller allow the player’s skill to shine. Better equipment just lets the player make the most of their skill. Of course, if someone wants to purposely handicap themselves, they’re free to do so, but that doesn’t mean anyone else has to follow.
Of course when it comes to some equipment, there’s the argument to be made that it’s unfair for players who are less well of if the cost is high. But in case of analog stick grips that hardly applies.
No because that’s just saying using the elite controller is cheating because of the height of the thumbsticks
Now back during Halo 3 the hair triggers were considered cheating. Until a certain brand of controller manufacture added them for the competitive scene. That was a long time ago, I never heard of a grip being considered cheating unless for some reason the person wants to play with a non modified or standard controller which I would be out myself I use the Elite and paddles. However if the “pros” can use hair triggers so I don’t see a grip being “cheating” if that’s cheating then better call out the Tennis players that use Gamer Grip or buy grips for the racket.
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> Now back during Halo 3 the hair triggers were considered cheating. Until a certain brand of controller manufacture added them for the competitive scene. That was a long time ago, I never heard of a grip being considered cheating unless for some reason the person wants to play with a non modified or standard controller which I would be out myself I use the Elite and paddles. However if the “pros” can use hair triggers so I don’t see a grip being “cheating” if that’s cheating then better call out the Tennis players that use Gamer Grip or buy grips for the racket.
Hair triggers have always been fine to my knowledge. It was the rapid fire mods on controller that were a problem.
No way in the world they’re considered cheating, I have them & they really help your gameplay
No.They dont give you an unfair advantage.i
I play h5 on pc keyboard directly on console so no
No its not. I used to put glue on my thumbsticks to prevent slip. Believe it or not the little things help
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> > Now back during Halo 3 the hair triggers were considered cheating. Until a certain brand of controller manufacture added them for the competitive scene. That was a long time ago, I never heard of a grip being considered cheating unless for some reason the person wants to play with a non modified or standard controller which I would be out myself I use the Elite and paddles. However if the “pros” can use hair triggers so I don’t see a grip being “cheating” if that’s cheating then better call out the Tennis players that use Gamer Grip or buy grips for the racket.
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> Hair triggers have always been fine to my knowledge. It was the rapid fire mods on controller that were a problem.
I remember seeing those rapid fire modded controllers, I know what you’re talking about. I have only been to a few tournaments my last one was in 2008 where they actually DQ’ed a guy doing BXR and another for using a “modified” controller which was what we call the hair triggers today. This place no longer exists today, but was much like a GameStop type store that held local tournaments.
Yet they allowed a man to glitch into Ivory Tower on Halo 2 with the snipe, (an unpatched copy of the game, they didn’t use the Halo 2 Multiplayer Map Pack which had the patch or an updated Xbox that had XBL.) The reason this was allowed “it was part of the game.” Even though when updated the glitch can no longer be performed. This irritated me at the time.
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> Very proud of my wife, who picked up Halo recently and did so well last night that she was messaged by someone angrily accusing her of cheating at Halo. I’ve played consistently since day one and never gotten those kinds of results, and I’m proud that the student has become the master.
> She isn’t used to that “dialogue” and was trying to help this kid at first by recommending her thumbstick grips and dead zone settings. That got me thinking: are analog enhancements like thumbstick grips cheating? They seem to be a cheap way to mimic the stick height of the official Elite controller, but I’m no expert.
Nah dude, she’s good. If it were a mouse/keyboard, then there’s something to think about. But even that’s debatable since Halo has aim assist for controller peeps. I don’t necessarily like it, but it’s not totally unfair.
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> Calling anything “cheating” implies that there are some agreed upon rules prohibiting it. If no such rule has been established, then there’s no cheating involved. In this case, the rules of Xbox Live mention nothing about nonstandard controllers. So, it’s pretty unambiguously not cheating in matchmaking.
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> Putting that aside, labeling any controller enhancements that don’t outright do something on behalf of the player “cheating” is silly. Things like analog stick grips are all about getting rid of the deficiencies of the standard controller allow the player’s skill to shine. Better equipment just lets the player make the most of their skill. Of course, if someone wants to purposely handicap themselves, they’re free to do so, but that doesn’t mean anyone else has to follow.
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> Of course when it comes to some equipment, there’s the argument to be made that it’s unfair for players who are less well of if the cost is high. But in case of analog stick grips that hardly applies.
I showed her your explanation. Thanks!
If it’ considered cheating, the simply having an elite controller would also be cheating.
thumb sicks honestly make it hard to play and are just pointless
It’s not cheating. I personally found myself using these after my elite controller broke (the triggers are constantly active if you want to know) and I don’t see any issue.
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> No it wouldn’t count as cheating the person who insulted her was probably jealous or mad or both. Everyone has their own way of playing and cheating is something like if she would have broke out the map with a sniper and killed people the entire game or used something that isn’t meant to be in the game in the first place
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> > She isn’t used to that “dialogue” and was trying to help this kid at first by recommending her thumbstick grips and dead zone settings.
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> She handled it a lot better than I would’ve
> Her: trys to help the kid
> Me: I continue to troll them until I feel fit to see me stop or in other words…
> I sit there and whatever he says I come up with a smart remark
Damn, you’re about as bad as I am…
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> > Now back during Halo 3 the hair triggers were considered cheating. Until a certain brand of controller manufacture added them for the competitive scene. That was a long time ago, I never heard of a grip being considered cheating unless for some reason the person wants to play with a non modified or standard controller which I would be out myself I use the Elite and paddles. However if the “pros” can use hair triggers so I don’t see a grip being “cheating” if that’s cheating then better call out the Tennis players that use Gamer Grip or buy grips for the racket.
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> Hair triggers have always been fine to my knowledge. It was the rapid fire mods on controller that were a problem.
That and macro controllers. They existed back then but were really annoying to play on.