I’ve read the article, and I assume their not using truskill. Does anyone have any info on the possibility of a 1-50 ranks? Or anything similar?
They are not using TrueSkill like in Halo Reach nor 1-50 or Arena’s system, but nothing else is confirmed of what the ranking system can be.
Frankie confirmed the ranking system is not the 1-50 from Halo 3 nor the arena from Halo Reach. The new rank system is not known right now.
From what we’ve seen and what’s been said it would seem that they are building their own, but it does seem that Frankie personally isn’t a fan of visible numerical ranking
> From what we’ve seen and what’s been said it would seem that they are building their own, but it does seem that Frankie personally isn’t a fan of visible numerical ranking
Honestly that’s what made halo fun for me, I never boosted nor cheated I enjoyed a good challenge. If their isn’t a visible rank or some sort it won’t be the same for me.
> Honestly that’s what made halo fun for me, I never boosted nor cheated I enjoyed a good challenge. If their isn’t a visible rank or some sort it won’t be the same for me.
The vast majority of people played “by the rules” so to speak.
Boosting, account buying and deranking were blown way out of proportion.
I hope their not going to count earning sparten points faster, as an incentive to rankings…
They’re using a ranking system, but we have no idea what it’ll be like.
> > Honestly that’s what made halo fun for me, I never boosted nor cheated I enjoyed a good challenge. If their isn’t a visible rank or some sort it won’t be the same for me.
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> The vast majority of people played “by the rules” so to speak.
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> Boosting, account buying and deranking were blown way out of proportion.
I totally agree.
All we know is that there is not going to be a 1-50 as Frankie wasn’t a fan of that one with all of the boosting/deranking/cheating that was said to have been going on. We also know that they are not using Reach’s Arena ranking system.
So it seems that they will be either making their own or creating a combination of the two.
Nothing else has been said about it at this point in time.
> All we know is that there is not going to be a 1-50 as Frankie wasn’t a fan of that one with all of the boosting/deranking/cheating that was said to have been going on. We also know that they are not using Reach’s Arena ranking system.
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> So it seems that they will be either making their own or creating a combination of the two.
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> Nothing else has been said about it at this point in time.
With that being said, we as users can’t really comment on how prevalent boosting and cheating was. With 343i’s ability to view all stats both past and present I’m sure that they can see just how bad things were, and as up in arms as Frankie seemed to be (just judging by the tone of his posts) it must have been pretty bad.
> > All we know is that there is not going to be a 1-50 as Frankie wasn’t a fan of that one with all of the boosting/deranking/cheating that was said to have been going on. We also know that they are not using Reach’s Arena ranking system.
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> > So it seems that they will be either making their own or creating a combination of the two.
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> > Nothing else has been said about it at this point in time.
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> With that being said, we as users can’t really comment on how prevalent boosting and cheating was. With 343i’s ability to view all stats both past and present I’m sure that they can see just how bad things were, and as up in arms as Frankie seemed to be (just judging by the tone of his posts) it must have been pretty bad.
I never really experienced it, but that doesn’t mean that it didn’t happen. I agree with you. 343i has more knowledge of what went down in the ranking systems and how many people bought accounts or boosted.
> > > All we know is that there is not going to be a 1-50 as Frankie wasn’t a fan of that one with all of the boosting/deranking/cheating that was said to have been going on. We also know that they are not using Reach’s Arena ranking system.
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> > > So it seems that they will be either making their own or creating a combination of the two.
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> > > Nothing else has been said about it at this point in time.
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> > With that being said, we as users can’t really comment on how prevalent boosting and cheating was. With 343i’s ability to view all stats both past and present I’m sure that they can see just how bad things were, and as up in arms as Frankie seemed to be (just judging by the tone of his posts) it must have been pretty bad.
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> I never really experienced it, but that doesn’t mean that it didn’t happen. I agree with you. 343i has more knowledge of what went down in the ranking systems and how many people bought accounts or boosted.
Rather than a meaningless thank click, i’ll thank you properly in a post. Its very refreshing to see someone that’s not just blindly hard line on this debate. I honestly think a lot of the 1-50 out crying is clear cut band wagoning lately. yes there are some people who know what they are talking about and are open to discussion, but that’s the minority. Having seen you around and then seeing you being quite personable and proper in a debate give me hope for the people on your side of the fence.
Now me, I’m all for a ranking system, visible or not. I would rather the MM system work correctly though. We can have all the numbers or symbols or what ever next to our tags until our screens look like they’ve been splatter painted. it wont mean diddle without a functioning MM system.
as long as the MATCHMAKING is TIGHT and equal, i’m fine with it…
in fact, I’d rather have NO RANK and just use true skill ‘invisible’ to make matches and keep the ‘token’ stupid looking ranks off completely…
> as long as the MATCHMAKING is TIGHT and equal, i’m fine with it…
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> in fact, I’d rather have NO RANK and just use true skill ‘invisible’ to make matches and keep the ‘token’ stupid looking ranks off completely…
To me that would be perfect. But there are always going to be nostalgic players and the band wagoners they draw in screaming for a ranking system that visible. i just hope to god 343i doesn’t give into the screaming minority, the fact is, these forums represent a small contingent of the overall community, i would call us a microcosm, but with the number of people pouring in and making accounts simply to whine, flame, and all around spew agenda’s that few of them seem to understand i cant blame 343 for not paying waypoint much attention.
> > > > All we know is that there is not going to be a 1-50 as Frankie wasn’t a fan of that one with all of the boosting/deranking/cheating that was said to have been going on. We also know that they are not using Reach’s Arena ranking system.
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> > > > So it seems that they will be either making their own or creating a combination of the two.
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> > > > Nothing else has been said about it at this point in time.
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> > > With that being said, we as users can’t really comment on how prevalent boosting and cheating was. With 343i’s ability to view all stats both past and present I’m sure that they can see just how bad things were, and as up in arms as Frankie seemed to be (just judging by the tone of his posts) it must have been pretty bad.
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> > I never really experienced it, but that doesn’t mean that it didn’t happen. I agree with you. 343i has more knowledge of what went down in the ranking systems and how many people bought accounts or boosted.
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> Rather than a meaningless thank click, i’ll thank you properly in a post. Its very refreshing to see someone that’s not just blindly hard line on this debate. I honestly think a lot of the 1-50 out crying is clear cut band wagoning lately. yes there are some people who know what they are talking about and are open to discussion, but that’s the minority. Having seen you around and then seeing you being quite personable and proper in a debate give me hope for the people on your side of the fence.
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> Now me, I’m all for a ranking system, visible or not. I would rather the MM system work correctly though. We can have all the numbers or symbols or what ever next to our tags until our screens look like they’ve been splatter painted. it wont mean diddle without a functioning MM system.
Thank you. There are quite a few people on “my side” that argue very intelligently. This is also the same on the other side as well. And then you have the majority of people who respond to most anything with hate filled replies and are bone-headed and refuse to listen to anything that goes against their line of thinking.
I know that Halo 3 wasn’t the best and I know that Arena wasn’t the best. I believe that Halo 2 was the best. If you don’t look at the cheating and hacking, it was a very good system. This was because it was based off of ELO rather than TruSkill. TruSkill allows people to reach the highest possible rank very quickly as it tries to get you where you belong as quick as possible. ELO takes the same amount of time for everybody. And with the advanced banhammer that we have now, cheating and hacking is at a minimum. The more I think about it, the more I realize that Halo 2 had it right. People just can’t see it as easily because of the horrible banhammer that couldn’t catch any of the cheating or hacking that plagued Halo 2.
I believe that having both of the ranking styles available is the best option. There is the progression system which is in play across all playlists, so you will always be receiving credits/xp/whatever it is. Then, they should have around 5-8 ranked playlists(FFA, Double Team, Team Slayer, Team Objective, BTB & MLG[with the possibility that SWAT and Snipers could be ranked]). This will allow those “competitive” players more than one playlist to play in. They now have options of which ranked playlist they want to play. This will keep them out of social matchmaking and help create a better playing experience for the new players and the casual players. There would also be loose matching in the social playlists so as to find matches quicker. Also, if you play ranked, your highest active skill and the playlist it is in would be shown when hovering over your nameplate(where you view their spartan).
Your skill would degrade over time(not reset), so you will have to keep playing to keep your rank. I am thinking that something around 2 weeks of inactivity will start the degrading process. Then, every 4 days or so, you will go down another level. So, if you don’t play for a month, your level would go down 5 levels. That is not a huge amount, but is enough to keep people coming back.
I don’t know where I was going with this, but I think I will stop this bunny trail.
One of the few threads I can actually respond to because of the intelligent thoughtful responses, regardless of opinions.
I enjoyed the 1-50 rank, but at the same time, relieved to see that it will not be making a return. People have been saying that the cheating, boosting, account buying, etc. was not as bad as 343i is making it out to be, and I am not one agree or disagree since I myself do not have numbers, but we simply cannot go by personal experience. We don’t have the data, we don’t have the numbers, we simply cannot make that call, so why others are is beyond me.
I can honestly see the appeal to the 1-50 ranking system and why others want it back. People love progress and people love rewards, and I fall in that category. Being rewarded for my hard work with a symbol that showcases skill and effort is actually a big thing for many people and they work for it. And if they work for it to reach that goal, they feel accomplished, and that’s the great thing about these visible ranking systems. A way to match yourself up with people of equal or greater skill, to gauge your ranking against other people in the world, the motivation to get better, to work hard and in the end, be the best you can be so you can be rewarded with the ranking you deserve. Any by human nature, these personal accomplishments can mean alot, even though it is just a video game, and at one point I was part of the crowd. But these personal ambitions, these motivations, if there is an easier way to achieve them, then it will be taken, regardless of how it is achieved. And that is the flaw people refuse to accept, that the personal human-like ambitions is also the flaw that comes with this great system.
Again, I was a huge fan of the 1-50 system, but I can see the downsides and issues that accompanied it as well, and I can keep an open mind about the other options that can be available for us. Whose to say that 343 can’t create a better system, hell, they are scrapping the reach one as well, so that’s some progress right? I’ll wait for more information before I make my judgement on this one.
> > > Honestly that’s what made halo fun for me, I never boosted nor cheated I enjoyed a good challenge. If their isn’t a visible rank or some sort it won’t be the same for me.
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> > The vast majority of people played “by the rules” so to speak.
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> > Boosting, account buying and deranking were blown way out of proportion.
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> I totally agree.
I don’t like 1-50 because I don’t play for rank, I play for fun and to chill out.
But you are right, boosting account purchase e.t.c was quite out of proportion.
> One of the few threads I can actually respond to because of the intelligent thoughtful responses, regardless of opinions.
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> I enjoyed the 1-50 rank, but at the same time, relieved to see that it will not be making a return. People have been saying that the cheating, boosting, account buying, etc. was not as bad as 343i is making it out to be, and I am not one agree or disagree since I myself do not have numbers, but we simply cannot go by personal experience. We don’t have the data, we don’t have the numbers, we simply cannot make that call, so why others are is beyond me.
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> I can honestly see the appeal to the 1-50 ranking system and why others want it back. People love progress and people love rewards, and I fall in that category. Being rewarded for my hard work with a symbol that showcases skill and effort is actually a big thing for many people and they work for it. And if they work for it to reach that goal, they feel accomplished, and that’s the great thing about these visible ranking systems. A way to match yourself up with people of equal or greater skill, to gauge your ranking against other people in the world, the motivation to get better, to work hard and in the end, be the best you can be so you can be rewarded with the ranking you deserve. Any by human nature, these personal accomplishments can mean alot, even though it is just a video game, and at one point I was part of the crowd. But these personal ambitions, these motivations, if there is an easier way to achieve them, then it will be taken, regardless of how it is achieved. And that is the flaw people refuse to accept, that the personal human-like ambitions is also the flaw that comes with this great system.
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> Again, I was a huge fan of the 1-50 system, but I can see the downsides and issues that accompanied it as well, and I can keep an open mind about the other options that can be available for us. Whose to say that 343 can’t create a better system, hell, they are scrapping the reach one as well, so that’s some progress right? I’ll wait for more information before I make my judgement on this one.
Thumbs up from me!
> I don’t like 1-50 because I don’t play for rank, I play for fun and to chill out.
So no one should be allowed to have a 1-50 system because it doesn’t fit in with your ideals of fun?
The game should be fun for everyone.
Ranked 1-50 and Social like Halo 2 and Halo 3 achieved this. That is why those games remained popular their entire life.