By regular I mean that are they still being lead by prophets(They died but there could be more?)
The Storm Covenant looks more Savage then the “regular” covenant and is being lead
by probably Jul Mdama.
In Halo 5 the storm and regular covenant should battle it out for some covenant vs covenant action. Imagine Jul fighting the prophets.
Or they could just team up and stuff
That would be cool to see some conflicts between enemies.
What do you guys think.
No.
> No.
They kinda are still around. Brute packs in control of ships and warriors still roam space causing the Arbiter to send out ships of his own to engage these remnant forces. Even with the disappearance of the San 'Shyuum, it would ignorant to assume some form of continuation doesn’t exist somewhere in the galaxy for the Covenant Loyalists.
The Covenant as we knew it fell apart. The Prophets ordered the destruction of the Elites, the Brutes took the Elites’ place and the other species divided between the two sides (though it would seem the majority of militant units stayed on the Prophet’s side). All traces of the Prophets and most Engineers have vanished. Most of the Prophets are dead as they lived on High Charity which was overrun by the Flood. It’s possible that other Prophets are out there but no signs have been found.
So no, that Covenant wont come back. The reason Jul’s forces are referred to as “Covenant” is simply familiarity. They have no official name yet, Storm was a misunderstanding and remnant isn’t the most accurate term.
The Brutes divided into factions, some loyal to the Covenant religion, others against it, and have been waging their own war. Some surrendered to the Elites and served them for a time, but when some got together and launched insurgent attacks on Sanghelios, the Elites seemed to completely turn against them. There are some on Venezia, living side by side with humans and Jackals.
The Unggoy sided with whoever commanded them at the time, simply out of fear rather than any true loyalty. Some that fought under the Brutes were shown to support the Elites and Arbiter. This carried over into the post-war world were Grunts were sided with both Elites and Brutes. No transports a have left the Grunt’s home world, but there are Grunt populations in Elite systems, likely were those that serve them come from. It would seem that they are split between all sides.
After the fall of the Covenant the Jackals returned to their pirating ways. Some live on Venezia among human rebels and Brutes. As seen in Halo 4, some work for Jul’s forces. Whether they have any true loyalty or are simply paid mercenaries is unknown.
The Hunters split between the Covenant and Elite forces at the end of the war. Some know fight for Jul, it is unknown if they have all sided with him or are split like many other species.
We haven’t heard anything about the Drones at this stage.
The Elites are in the midst of a civil war. The major factions at this time seem to be the Arbiter’s forces (allied with the UNSC) and Jul’s forces which hold more religious beliefs and worship the Forerunner’s for the most part (some are simply against humanity and aren’t so devout). As SpOps Episode 1 indicated, there are enough ties between humanity and the Elites that Elite refugees have started living on Earth. Some Elite terrorists have taken advantage of this and used it as an opportunity to launch attacks.
So as you can see it’s quite complicated. Every species with a known status seems to be divided. There are still some who follow the Covenant beliefs from the original trilogy, but at this stage they seem too few to really cause problems.
^Great summary EBG
But I have to say it’s hard to see the “traditional” Covenant staying together after the Great Schism, the deaths of all 3 Hierarchs, destruction of High Charity, and major tactical defeats by humanity. Everyone’s kind of doing their own thing now
What I would like is some clarification of the Elite-Brute conflict: was it a brief flare-up that settled quickly and resulted in Brutes living in peace on Sangheilios, as Karen Traviss states, or the long, brutal war shown in “the Return”?
More like different covenant factions and other alien factions and even rebel factions.
> What I would like is some clarification of the Elite-Brute conflict: was it a brief flare-up that settled quickly and resulted in Brutes living in peace on Sangheilios, as Karen Traviss states, or the long, brutal war shown in “the Return”?
Well the Brutes seemed to live in peace, but ended up rebelling and then I suppose The Return happens after. But with Jul and his Covenant running around who knows just what happens.
> > What I would like is some clarification of the Elite-Brute conflict: was it a brief flare-up that settled quickly and resulted in Brutes living in peace on Sangheilios, as Karen Traviss states, or the long, brutal war shown in “the Return”?
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> Well the Brutes seemed to live in peace, but ended up rebelling and then I suppose The Return happens after. But with Jul and his Covenant running around who knows just what happens.
That seems to be the only way to reconcile the two versions of events: Great Schism => brief peace => return to open conflict
But it seems weird. Paid Brute laborers on Sangheilios was one of the biggest canon-twisting WTF head-scratchers in Traviss’s work, and that’s sayin a lot.
I don’t recall them being paid, they seemed to be slaves.
Which i find completely interesting for the elites to have and thats fine yet they can somehow judge humanity for “lying”.
> I don’t recall them being paid, they seemed to be slaves.
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> Which i find completely interesting for the elites to have and thats fine yet they can somehow judge humanity for “lying”.
Don’t the Grunts on Sangheilios hope that Kilo 5 has arrived to “kill the elites”? Not that I blame them…
> I don’t recall them being paid, they seemed to be slaves.
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> Which i find completely interesting for the elites to have and thats fine yet they can somehow judge humanity for “lying”.
The grunts were definitely slaves by their own admission.
I’m pretty sure that with the old B.S prophets, they decided to go their own way. Elites are separate now [no grunts,jackal.etc.] If they are I’m pretty sure they are working on a civil war anyway.
Do you mean Loyalists as in THE original Covenant? If that’s what you mean than no. The Prophets disappeared and it disbanded. If you mean the Separatists (Grunts, Elites, some Hunters) or “good Covenant”, than yes, they are still around.
> The Covenant as we knew it fell apart. The Prophets ordered the destruction of the Elites, the Brutes took the Elites’ place and the other species divided between the two sides (though it would seem the majority of militant units stayed on the Prophet’s side). All traces of the Prophets and most Engineers have vanished. Most of the Prophets are dead as they lived on High Charity which was overrun by the Flood. It’s possible that other Prophets are out there but no signs have been found.
>
> So no, that Covenant wont come back. The reason Jul’s forces are referred to as “Covenant” is simply familiarity. They have no official name yet, Storm was a misunderstanding and remnant isn’t the most accurate term.
>
> The Brutes divided into factions, some loyal to the Covenant religion, others against it, and have been waging their own war. Some surrendered to the Elites and served them for a time, but when some got together and launched insurgent attacks on Sanghelios, the Elites seemed to completely turn against them. There are some on Venezia, living side by side with humans and Jackals.
>
> The Unggoy sided with whoever commanded them at the time, simply out of fear rather than any true loyalty. Some that fought under the Brutes were shown to support the Elites and Arbiter. This carried over into the post-war world were Grunts were sided with both Elites and Brutes. No transports a have left the Grunt’s home world, but there are Grunt populations in Elite systems, likely were those that serve them come from. It would seem that they are split between all sides.
>
> After the fall of the Covenant the Jackals returned to their pirating ways. Some live on Venezia among human rebels and Brutes. As seen in Halo 4, some work for Jul’s forces. Whether they have any true loyalty or are simply paid mercenaries is unknown.
>
> The Hunters split between the Covenant and Elite forces at the end of the war. Some know fight for Jul, it is unknown if they have all sided with him or are split like many other species.
>
> We haven’t heard anything about the Drones at this stage.
>
> The Elites are in the midst of a civil war. The major factions at this time seem to be the Arbiter’s forces (allied with the UNSC) and Jul’s forces which hold more religious beliefs and worship the Forerunner’s for the most part (some are simply against humanity and aren’t so devout). As SpOps Episode 1 indicated, there are enough ties between humanity and the Elites that Elite refugees have started living on Earth. Some Elite terrorists have taken advantage of this and used it as an opportunity to launch attacks.
>
> So as you can see it’s quite complicated. Every species with a known status seems to be divided. There are still some who follow the Covenant beliefs from the original trilogy, but at this stage they seem too few to really cause problems.
Actually it was provven in one of the books jul got his forces from a covenant loyal planet which had not been contacted for a long time and don’t even know the war had officially ended.
> > The Covenant as we knew it fell apart. The Prophets ordered the destruction of the Elites, the Brutes took the Elites’ place and the other species divided between the two sides (though it would seem the majority of militant units stayed on the Prophet’s side). All traces of the Prophets and most Engineers have vanished. Most of the Prophets are dead as they lived on High Charity which was overrun by the Flood. It’s possible that other Prophets are out there but no signs have been found.
> >
> > So no, that Covenant wont come back. The reason Jul’s forces are referred to as “Covenant” is simply familiarity. They have no official name yet, Storm was a misunderstanding and remnant isn’t the most accurate term.
> >
> > The Brutes divided into factions, some loyal to the Covenant religion, others against it, and have been waging their own war. Some surrendered to the Elites and served them for a time, but when some got together and launched insurgent attacks on Sanghelios, the Elites seemed to completely turn against them. There are some on Venezia, living side by side with humans and Jackals.
> >
> > The Unggoy sided with whoever commanded them at the time, simply out of fear rather than any true loyalty. Some that fought under the Brutes were shown to support the Elites and Arbiter. This carried over into the post-war world were Grunts were sided with both Elites and Brutes. No transports a have left the Grunt’s home world, but there are Grunt populations in Elite systems, likely were those that serve them come from. It would seem that they are split between all sides.
> >
> > After the fall of the Covenant the Jackals returned to their pirating ways. Some live on Venezia among human rebels and Brutes. As seen in Halo 4, some work for Jul’s forces. Whether they have any true loyalty or are simply paid mercenaries is unknown.
> >
> > The Hunters split between the Covenant and Elite forces at the end of the war. Some know fight for Jul, it is unknown if they have all sided with him or are split like many other species.
> >
> > We haven’t heard anything about the Drones at this stage.
> >
> > The Elites are in the midst of a civil war. The major factions at this time seem to be the Arbiter’s forces (allied with the UNSC) and Jul’s forces which hold more religious beliefs and worship the Forerunner’s for the most part (some are simply against humanity and aren’t so devout). As SpOps Episode 1 indicated, there are enough ties between humanity and the Elites that Elite refugees have started living on Earth. Some Elite terrorists have taken advantage of this and used it as an opportunity to launch attacks.
> >
> > So as you can see it’s quite complicated. Every species with a known status seems to be divided. There are still some who follow the Covenant beliefs from the original trilogy, but at this stage they seem too few to really cause problems.
>
> Actually it was provven in one of the books jul got his forces from a covenant loyal planet which had not been contacted for a long time and don’t even know the war had officially ended.
Thursday War suggests that that’s where it started, however, it in no way indicates that all his forces are from there. All we know about that planet is it was populated by Elites (no mention of the other three species in Jul’s forces), who were highly devout and knew of the Didact. We don’t know if all the Elites working for Jul are from that planet, we don’t know where exactly he recruited Grunts, Jackals or Hunters, and we don’t know where he got all his equipment. The third Kilo-Five book will likely shed more light on the matter.
> > > The Covenant as we knew it fell apart. The Prophets ordered the destruction of the Elites, the Brutes took the Elites’ place and the other species divided between the two sides (though it would seem the majority of militant units stayed on the Prophet’s side). All traces of the Prophets and most Engineers have vanished. Most of the Prophets are dead as they lived on High Charity which was overrun by the Flood. It’s possible that other Prophets are out there but no signs have been found.
> > >
> > > So no, that Covenant wont come back. The reason Jul’s forces are referred to as “Covenant” is simply familiarity. They have no official name yet, Storm was a misunderstanding and remnant isn’t the most accurate term.
> > >
> > > The Brutes divided into factions, some loyal to the Covenant religion, others against it, and have been waging their own war. Some surrendered to the Elites and served them for a time, but when some got together and launched insurgent attacks on Sanghelios, the Elites seemed to completely turn against them. There are some on Venezia, living side by side with humans and Jackals.
> > >
> > > The Unggoy sided with whoever commanded them at the time, simply out of fear rather than any true loyalty. Some that fought under the Brutes were shown to support the Elites and Arbiter. This carried over into the post-war world were Grunts were sided with both Elites and Brutes. No transports a have left the Grunt’s home world, but there are Grunt populations in Elite systems, likely were those that serve them come from. It would seem that they are split between all sides.
> > >
> > > After the fall of the Covenant the Jackals returned to their pirating ways. Some live on Venezia among human rebels and Brutes. As seen in Halo 4, some work for Jul’s forces. Whether they have any true loyalty or are simply paid mercenaries is unknown.
> > >
> > > The Hunters split between the Covenant and Elite forces at the end of the war. Some know fight for Jul, it is unknown if they have all sided with him or are split like many other species.
> > >
> > > We haven’t heard anything about the Drones at this stage.
> > >
> > > The Elites are in the midst of a civil war. The major factions at this time seem to be the Arbiter’s forces (allied with the UNSC) and Jul’s forces which hold more religious beliefs and worship the Forerunner’s for the most part (some are simply against humanity and aren’t so devout). As SpOps Episode 1 indicated, there are enough ties between humanity and the Elites that Elite refugees have started living on Earth. Some Elite terrorists have taken advantage of this and used it as an opportunity to launch attacks.
> > >
> > > So as you can see it’s quite complicated. Every species with a known status seems to be divided. There are still some who follow the Covenant beliefs from the original trilogy, but at this stage they seem too few to really cause problems.
> >
> > Actually it was provven in one of the books jul got his forces from a covenant loyal planet which had not been contacted for a long time and don’t even know the war had officially ended.
>
> Thursday War suggests that that’s where it started, however, it in no way indicates that all his forces are from there. All we know about that planet is it was populated by Elites (no mention of the other three species in Jul’s forces), who were highly devout and knew of the Didact. We don’t know if all the Elites working for Jul are from that planet, we don’t know where exactly he recruited Grunts, Jackals or Hunters, and we don’t know where he got all his equipment. The third Kilo-Five book will likely shed more light on the matter.
You are correct, although the description of the Halo 4 Sangheili forces indicates that many of the high-ranking members of the Storm are actually Covenant veterans in their own right, so I would suppose that they are from several colonies not just from that one mentioned in Thursday War. Same with the Unggoy and Kig-Yar. I mean, in Ghosts of Onyx we got a glimpse at the real intentions of some Sangheili during the Great Schism. While some (Thel’s side) wanted to ally with humans after the Schism, there were others that were more than happy to finish the Brutes off and then target Humanity, fortunately for the UNSC most of them were killed by the NOVA bomb that was picked up from Reach, but it would be foolish to think that all the Zealous Sangheili died. In fact, the leading members of the storm are all Sangheili Zealots.