… really that equal on strength? During their fistfight it seemed pretty even, although on paper the Chief should have had the strength advantage. Unless he was going easy on Locke?
I think Chief went easy on him as he wanted to avoid killing a fellow spartan, just put him in his place maybe?
my question was more on how strong is a dang Spartan to begin with. how many times has John been shot/exploded/smashed around and 1 good punch from Locke cracks his helmet?
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> my question was more on how strong is a dang Spartan to begin with. how many times has John been shot/exploded/smashed around and 1 good punch from Locke cracks his helmet?
Spartan II’s were the original, so they had all the experimental stuff that was later not used for the Spartan 4s or was no longer experimental. Methods improved, selection improved… Spartan 4s also were not to the level of choice the Spartan IIs were as requirements to be a part of the 4 program were less strict
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> my question was more on how strong is a dang Spartan to begin with. how many times has John been shot/exploded/smashed around and 1 good punch from Locke cracks his helmet?
In the books an S-II in GEN1 armor can flip a Warthog with one hand I believe it was.
Chief was holding back and toying basically using the armor lock against Locke.
Chief was “playing with his food” so to say if he wanted Locke dead he would’ve pummelled him into the ground I think Locke got a lucky hit plus Chiefs shield wasn’t on so the physical damage wasn’t absorbed it hit his armour directly
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> I think Chief went easy on him as he wanted to avoid killing a fellow spartan, just put him in his place maybe?
Pretty much this, Locke is a fellow UNSC soldier who is simply following orders from way up the chain, what reason would Chief have to kill him and then Osiris and through those actions be labeled a renegade at best and traitor at worst? Answer is none. He has no reason to use lethal force when he doesn’t have to and even when Locke cracked his visor Chief still held back though he did get a bit more serious with his hits.
Loved the turnaround though with the -Yoink- plot device. Locke got Kai Leng’d.
I don’t think he was going easy on Locke. Apparently, a SPARTAN IV can go toe-to-toe against a SPARTAN II if both are wearing armor. Now, if the two don’t have armor on, well Locke would have been -Yoinked!-. Now, was Chief going for a non-lethal measure against Locke? Yes, he’s a UNSC Soldier following orders. Unless if Locke tries to pull a knife or magnum first thing in the fight, then there would maybe have been a different story. Either way, the two are on the same level, just Chief was going non-lethal.
Looks to me like Chief was pretty clearly the dominant force in that fight. Locke was never really able to break his defense, accept in the end. Chief however took Locke down twice before coming out victorious.
My guess was that he must have been taking it easy. Kinda figured he’d go all out once Locke was trying to freeze his armor up. If you watched the Fall of Reach animated clip, he (chief) seemed a bit more shaken up about killing the ODST’s than he sounded in the books.
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> > my question was more on how strong is a dang Spartan to begin with. how many times has John been shot/exploded/smashed around and 1 good punch from Locke cracks his helmet?
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> In the books an S-II in GEN1 armor can flip a Warthog with one hand I believe it was.
I thought it was a Scorpion they could one-hand?
Went easy on him, chief is a trully spartan
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> I don’t think he was going easy on Locke. Apparently, a SPARTAN IV can go toe-to-toe against a SPARTAN II if both are wearing armor. Now, if the two don’t have armor on, well Locke would have been -Yoinked!-. Now, was Chief going for a non-lethal measure against Locke? Yes, he’s a UNSC Soldier following orders. Unless if Locke tries to pull a knife or magnum first thing in the fight, then there would maybe have been a different story. Either way, the two are on the same level, just Chief was going non-lethal.
Go rewatch that. They’re not on the same level at all. Chief wasn’t even putting any effort out. Thats why the punch got thru, He didn’t care, and knew he didn’t have to. Maybe he underestimated him a bit, but Locke has nothing on him, not even close.
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I thought it was going to be ‘gay’ 
While I thought it was a pretty cool fight, I kinda wish they made it more clear that Locke is out of his league and mixed in more martial arts and made Chief faster, because he was pretty slow for his canonical speed during that scene. Unless you’re right in that he wasn’t really trying that hard and was just seeing what Locke could due, in which case I wish they made it more like Batman’s first fight with Bane, where Batman kept landing hits on him but Bane just tanked them like they were nothing. I get that 343 is trying to make their new guy seem “cool,” but taking on a Spartan II, and their best at that, in Gen II armor? No way in hell.
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> > my question was more on how strong is a dang Spartan to begin with. how many times has John been shot/exploded/smashed around and 1 good punch from Locke cracks his helmet?
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the differences between the augmentations of the spartan II’s and IV’s is the spartan II’s were strict on the participants, having to be a certain age and gene structure making them able to wear the Gen 1 MJOLMIR armor around 1 tone of weight, the spartan IV’s however the augmentation process was much different using the cheaper options from the Orion project and spartan III project combined to produce more spartans at a cheaper rate but their physical augmentation was not as extensive as the spartan II’s which the Gen 2 MJOLMIR armor is about 200kg.
During the battle between Chief and Locke in Halo 5, the Chief was wearing a MJOLMIR Mk VI Gen 2 making both Chief’s & Locke’s suits of armor equal in strength and weight, the reason behind Chief’s broken visor was due to Locke doing an upward swing while using his thruster.
The physical augmentations however, the Chief tops Locke, the Gen 2 armor multiplies the strength of the spartan IV to be roughly the equal strength of the as a spartan II wearing Gen 1 armor so therefore giving the spartan II’s a slight strength advantage wearing Gen 2 armor
Okay, so here is the official facts.
Master Chief Petty Officer John Sierra-117:
SPARTAN-II
The SPARTAN-II project was conducted under Dr Catherine Halsey and involved kidnapping 6 and 7 year-old children that showed both immense physical and mental potential for military tasks. They were trained for years, and being so young soaked the information and molded into perfect soldiers. But that wasn’t enough, they then took on a large concoction of multiple drugs and implants to augment all there physical and mental capabilities, to the point that death became a risk. The result were inhuman soldiers of incredible capabilities.
Lieutenant Commander Jameson Locke:
SPARTAN-IV
The SPARTAN-IV project was conducted under SPARTAN-III Jun-A266 and was a lot less loose. Instead of taking time and resource to train children, and risk losing subjects during augmentation, candidates were selected from already decorated soldiers (some were even SPARTAN-IIIs like Jun), and the augmentation process was safer, using less to ensure survival. But they made up for the sacrifices with more advanced hardware (armor, systems, weapons, etc.).
Verdict (TL;DR Version):
SPARTAN-IVs are practically equal to SPARTAN-IIs when both are geared up.
But if a SPARTAN-IV were to fight with a SPARTAN-II without their gear, then the SPARTAN-II would always win, hands down.
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> … really that equal on strength? During their fistfight it seemed pretty even, although on paper the Chief should have had the strength advantage. Unless he was going easy on Locke?
Chief seem to be a bit stronger seeming how every time they locked fist, Locke was pushed off. The video for people who want to watch it again. In my opinion, it showed both parties (Spartans’s 2 & 4) justice. It shows that Spartan 2’s are still superior and Spartan 4’s are worthy opponents and a force to be reckon with.
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> I think Chief went easy on him as he wanted to avoid killing a fellow spartan, just put him in his place maybe?
No, they were equal strength. As much as the chief fan club would like to deny it, locke is still a competent spartan.