From Doctor Halsey’s perspective, Spartans are humanity’s next step biologically, but mustn’t we forget that there was an advanced civilization of humans during the time of the Forerunners, until they were devolved by the Forerunners into a neanderthal-like civilization. The Librarian states that she had hid seeds from the Didact that would ensure the progression of humanity’s advancements, including the Master Chief’s physical evolution. I only state all of this as startup of the idea I had the other night, that what if Spartans, as humanity’s next step, are thus closer to the advanced humans during the reign of the Forerunners.
Let me know what you think of this idea, if you like/agree or disagree with it. And do share your thoughts on it below, thx.
The Spartan 4s are probably the closest we’ve seen to ancient humanity, because they’re a sustainable augmented population. It’s really hard to say because we don’t have much information on ancient humanity.
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> The Spartan 4s are probably the closest we’ve seen to ancient humanity, because they’re a sustainable augmented population. It’s really hard to say because we don’t have much information on ancient humanity.
Not really because though their genes may be better than average I imagine that they still are genetically pretty normal people. The augmentations don’t really count even though ancient humans probably did augmentations like forerunners did but we don’t lnow for sure.
Anyway this is very interesting idea and I can see there being something like that going on in the lore but only time will tell.
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> > The Spartan 4s are probably the closest we’ve seen to ancient humanity, because they’re a sustainable augmented population. It’s really hard to say because we don’t have much information on ancient humanity.
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> Not really because though their genes may be better than average I imagine that they still are genetically pretty normal people. The augmentations don’t really count even though ancient humans probably did augmentations like forerunners did but we don’t lnow for sure.
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> Anyway this is very interesting idea and I can see there being something like that going on in the lore but only time will tell.
Based on clues throughout the Forerunner Saga, I believe the Forerunners and humanity were once the same race, humans. The key difference was that over millennia, the Forerunners altered their genetics until they were no longer identifiable as their former species, whereas humanity remained true to their genetic roots, which is a factor in why the Precursors chose humanity over the Forerunners to pass the Mantle to.
Spartans are a refinement on human potential, not introduction of new alien genetic codes, so I believe it is extremely similar to what ancient humanity would have done.
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> > Not really because though their genes may be better than average I imagine that they still are genetically pretty normal people. The augmentations don’t really count even though ancient humans probably did augmentations like forerunners did but we don’t lnow for sure.
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> > Anyway this is very interesting idea and I can see there being something like that going on in the lore but only time will tell.
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> Based on clues throughout the Forerunner Saga, I believe the Forerunners and humanity were once the same race, humans. The key difference was that over millennia, the Forerunners altered their genetics until they were no longer identifiable as their former species, whereas humanity remained true to their genetic roots, which is a factor in why the Precursors chose humanity over the Forerunners to pass the Mantle to.
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> Spartans are a refinement on human potential, not introduction of new alien genetic codes, so I believe it is extremely similar to what ancient humanity would have done.
That’s actually super interesting. I’ve always though that the times of forerunner and human creation are so badly recorded we can’t be sure what really happened without getting better sources. It would be interesting to see genetic alteration being bigger theme in the current lore.
More and more I think about your theory more it starts making sense.
My outlook on this is that between the Forerunner saga and Halo 4, we are meant to draw comparisons between the spartans and the Forerunners as a species. The tech is similar, and human tech keeps advancing super quickly even between the games on this, to the point that now it seems the UNSC could make anyone a spartan, they simply choose carefully as a matter of caution. And I figure the point, as Halsey puts it, is that there is a future in which humanity becomes just like the spartans. Which is not unlike the Forerunners. And Halo 4 also suggests to us that the Librarian deliberately set this in motion, presumably believing that the successors to the Mantle of Responsibility must resemble their ancestors.
Before Halo 5 revealed itself to be what it is, I assumed that the Reclaimer trilogy was going to be a series of stories in which the most respected spartan, John, would be faced with this destiny and proposed multiple alternatives to it. The Didact, the Gravemind, the Librarian, Bornstellar, maybe even Admiral Osman (or another human military leader with resources to seize Forerunner tech), would all offer takes on how best to hold the Mantle of Responsibility. John’s personal story would be one of become a leader rather than a soldier, and he would ultimately reject the Mantle and attempt to steer the galaxy towards another structure of peacekeeping.
And depending on how the ancient humans would be depicted – because, while we know a few things about them, we really know nothing significant – it could be that this choice brings humanity closer to that structure. Would be weirdly satisfying storytelling if John ended up Lord of Admirals, as the Didact’s greatest enemy in the modern era.
The fragment of the Librarian and the Didact both hint at such things in Halo 4. However, this was a different story than 5 and we shall see where the next journey takes us.
Don’t forget that the librarian hid seeds to lead to Cortana, and Cortana says in 5 that she wants to make people better then they can naturally, except unlike Halsey she is gifting it (and if you refuse you die). Oh Cortana, such a hypocrite.
I always imagined that somewhere in Forerunner artifacts, remains the history of Humanity or their biological makeup somewhere. It is sort of the case, since many individuals in Humanity have the geas of their ancestors and some Forerunner history deep in their genetic code. So I would surmise that the Spartan IV’s are as close to the ancient Humans as possible. From a lore perspective, the Hellcat armor reinforces this theory a bit, since it is compatible with Spartan IV platforms, alien, but strangely familiar, since it was based of the clad armors that Humans wore back in the past.
Well I may think S-IIs and some of S-IIIs would be the closest resemble to ancient humanity, but maybe the the closest ones, were the childs of the first Orion Project, because they did had some ‘augmentations’ by hereditary meanings. I, alone, would love to have more about the ancient humanity rather than a excellent engineering stuff the Librarian did.
