What complaining about h5 sounds like to me is how I view an older gentleman saying cell phones are bad and face to face communication is how it should always be. The world changes and evolves… the end.
How dismissive of you. Thanks.
What amazes me is that those same fans are also hypocritical, they want change but only if it is like a Halo 2 over and over again with minor changes.
Then they mock COD for being the same, despite remaining the same gameplay wise.
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> How dismissive of you. Thanks.
Though badly worded, he does have a point. I often see people reminisce about the “good old days” of Halo 2 and Halo 3. They were anything but. Halo 2 got a site dedicated to how bad it was, Luke Smith, formerly a writer for EGM and 1UP.com, wrote an article trashing Halo 2 for how much worse it was to Halo: CE, and said article was passed around often and got the man a job at Bungie and fans constantly debated about whether or not button glitches were legit. Halo 3 wasn’t much better and fans tried to get Bungie employees like Shiska fired from his job multiple times. This community was as toxic then as it was now and only through the power of rose-tinted glasses and nostalgia and the “popularity of the past titles” (neglecting the lack of real competetion on the Xbox until Call of Duty became popular) can they claim to miss the good old days. There weren’t any.
Btw, did not mean to offend our older spartans :p.
I think that title goes to the Nintendo fans 
Love Halo 2 but don’t want a Halo 2 clone. Halo has tried to “evolve” for 2 games and failed miserably both times. How about giving Classic Halo fans what they deserve, an actual Halo game with additions that are actually positive and not copy and paste mechanics from other shooters.
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> Though badly worded, he does have a point. I often see people reminisce about the “good old days” of Halo 2 and Halo 3. They were anything but. Halo 2 got a site dedicated to how bad it was, Luke Smith, formerly a writer for EGM and 1UP.com, wrote an article trashing Halo 2 for how much worse it was to Halo: CE, and said article was passed around often and got the man a job at Bungie and fans constantly debated about whether or not button glitches were legit. Halo 3 wasn’t much better and fans tried to get Bungie employees like Shiska fired from his job multiple times. This community was as toxic then as it was now and only through the power of rose-tinted glasses and nostalgia and the “popularity of the past titles” (neglecting the lack of real competetion on the Xbox until Call of Duty became popular) can they claim to miss the good old days. There weren’t any.
“Nostalgia is a seductive liar.”
— George Ball, American politician
There’s a lot of validity to that point. A lot of us that have been with Halo from the beginning are nearing our 30’s or have already reached that point. We’ve seen game series come and go. We don’t like it when our loyalty to a franchise is answered by having it turn its back on us. We are the ones who kept this series alive by purchasing, playing, and praising it. And now we’re being given the cold shoulder in favor of people who love all the new flashy -yoink- for about 2 months, and then get bored with it.
We’re being told time and time again that we need to accept things like sprint, clamber, and ADS because that’s “just how games are played now”. Well do you know how else games are played these days? They’re played briefly. They have huge launches, but no staying power. Say what you want about Halo 2 being bland or whatever. It was played heavily from day 1 until the day the servers were shut off.
Assault Rifle Starts only please. It makes the game way more fun. Vs Br starts where it becomes standoffs and strafing over and over all day long and no need for any other weapons. Bring back the AR starts only and forever. I believe this is the problem with Halo now and in the past when the playlists started to have BR starts. You have these hardcore no lifers who play nothing but halo begging for BR starts only. So they can sit back in a group of 4 and shoot and strafe. Well I believe that it takes the fun out of what halo was meant to be. When Halo 3 came first came out they had only AR starts it was awesome and all the weapons were being used then a few months later that they added BR starts and that is when the population started to decrease and it wasn’t as fun or balanced. The majority of gamers play games for fun. Please keep the fun by only having AR starts. I loved this beta at first but since the BR starts it has become stale and boring and not fun
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> There’s a lot of validity to that point. A lot of us that have been with Halo from the beginning are nearing our 30’s or have already reached that point. We’ve seen game series come and go. We don’t like it when our loyalty to a franchise is answered by having it turn its back on us. We are the ones who kept this series alive by purchasing, playing, and praising it. And now we’re being given the cold shoulder in favor of people who love all the new flashy -yoink- for about 2 months, and then get bored with it.
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> We’re being told time and time again that we need to accept things like sprint, clamber, and ADS because that’s “just how games are played now”. Well do you know how else games are played these days? They’re played briefly. They have huge launches, but no staying power. Say what you want about Halo 2 being bland or whatever. It was played heavily from day 1 until the day the servers were shut off.
W T F are you talking about Willluuusss? Halo 5 is the closest the series has come to the greatness known as Halo CE. In fact it surpasses CE. Halo 5 feels like a natural extension of HaloCE. I
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> Sorry, I didnt mean to offend our older spartans, I was just intending to make a point that a lot of the seasoned halo players tend to reject new ideas like the “stereotypical” older crowd rejects new tech.
Oh they definitely do. But there is a fine balance between legitimate critique versus mindless complaining. I think what was said above is true; this community is toxic and will -Yoink- at every single change. But to me, this game goes too far. I won’t go around making threads about it, but there are always civil ways to discuss change in a game.
While it’s true to some people it’s not true for others. People can still voice concerns or opinions and not for the reason of because “It’s not like the past”.
I still think Halo: Reach is the best designed Halo game to date. Me being “old” (even though I’m not even half way to the cut off date) doesn’t get in my way of enjoying that game and my concerns over Halo 4 were because I found that game boring and it lacked a local only search option.
To be honest, dismissing opinions and saying the other person is some old guy set in his ways is just as insulting as those saying people who like Halo 5 are BKs. You’re ignoring someones voice over some preconception of their reasoning.
Face to face communication is objectively better than through phone or the internet. But Halo is only the “old people” of gaming because of the misstep that Halo REach and 4 were. If we jumped straight from 3 to the gameplay mechanics in 5, with no randomness-inducing armor abilities, Halo would be a lot more popular right now. Heck if Reach wasn’t made there might have been even more hype for Halo 4 because people would have missed the glory days instead of having a sour memory that was Reach.
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> There’s a lot of validity to that point. A lot of us that have been with Halo from the beginning are nearing our 30’s or have already reached that point. We’ve seen game series come and go. We don’t like it when our loyalty to a franchise is answered by having it turn its back on us. We are the ones who kept this series alive by purchasing, playing, and praising it. And now we’re being given the cold shoulder in favor of people who love all the new flashy -yoink- for about 2 months, and then get bored with it.
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> We’re being told time and time again that we need to accept things like sprint, clamber, and ADS because that’s “just how games are played now”. Well do you know how else games are played these days? They’re played briefly. They have huge launches, but no staying power. Say what you want about Halo 2 being bland or whatever. It was played heavily from day 1 until the day the servers were shut off.
I recently passed 30 - been following the series for 16 years now, but I’m one of the ones who are saying we need to adapt. Progress for the sake of progress is not a good thing, but I don’t think that’s what is happening here.
Video games have evolved - we’ve seen graphical/audio enhancements, controllers have improved, internet is 100x better than it used to be, we’ve seen the introduction of voice-chat. Why shouldn’t gameplay evolve as well?
We’re not talking about perks/kill streaks (or whatever they’re called now), and they’re not just mixing in some pre-cooked bag of modern FPS features. All of the base elements of Halo still remain, and the additional mobility/abilities are obviously intended to enhance the Halo experience while still keeping the unique Halo balance that we’re used to.
It might take some tweaking to get things perfect but I think they’ve done a great job, and we should be helping 343 create the amazing next-gen shooter that it is “destined” to be - not scream abuse at them.
Also - given the maturity level of some of these comments saying it’s not like the old Halo, I have a hard time believing that the majority of the people complaining are the “older” generation anyway
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> Love Halo 2 but don’t want a Halo 2 clone. Halo has tried to “evolve” for 2 games and failed miserably both times. How about giving Classic Halo fans what they deserve, an actual Halo game with additions that are actually positive and not copy and paste mechanics from other shooters.
Have you ever heard the term, “There is nothing new under the sun?”
What could be so amazing that could launch Halo back to the top of shooters that hasn’t already been taken? Hard question with a harder answer.
I can’t be the inly one to find it ironic that Halo revolutionized the console FPS genre and many other shooters took things from Halo to get better, yet Halo cannot look at new ideas to improve without being condemned.
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> I can’t be the inly one to find it ironic that Halo revolutionized the console FPS genre and many other shooters took things from Halo to get better, yet Halo cannot look at new ideas to improve without being condemned.
That irony flies over the heads of many people.
If old Halo fans are old people, what does that make the people who played shooters in the 90’s then?
I agree. Most people that don’t like the beta and the gameplay are usually the same people that wish halo stayed the same forever. Remember I said MOST people, not all.