So they wanted to fix the AR, making it require more skill to use. I’m fine with this idea. And i was ok with the test version of that weapon.
HOWEVER.
Someone complained about the fact that the test version was no longer a god-like weapon and what 343 wants to do is giving it more fire rate at the cost of its damage…
YOU SERIOUS 343?
I’ve played some H3 classic slayer games and tried to only use the AR to kill the opponents.
The result? Average players were able to kill me with their BRs even if they missed some shots and i didn’t (this also happened in H4).
That’s how it should be.
A random weapon like the AR should never, EVER beat a magnum/BR/DMR in combat at any range. Well maybe the only case that could happen would be due to the skill difference of the players.
That’s how Halo has always worked.
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> > A random weapon like the AR should never, EVER beat a magnum/BR/DMR in combat at any range.
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> An AR should be able to beat a magnum/BR/DMR at close range. Otherwise, there is no point in even having the weapon in Halo games.
That’s exactly what i’m saying’. With all those smgs, brute rifles, storm rifles etc. a weapon like the AR is useless, especially if they increase its fire rate. It’s going to become a less powerful smg.
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> That’s exactly what i’m saying’. With all those smgs, brute rifles, storm rifles etc. a weapon like the AR is useless, especially if they increase its fire rate. It’s going to become a less powerful smg.
What? You’re saying in your first post: “A random weapon like the AR should never, EVER beat a magnum/BR/DMR in combat at any range.” And now you’re saying the AR is too weak? I don’t get it…
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> A random weapon like the AR should never, EVER beat a magnum/BR/DMR in combat at any range.
Basically, a terrible-at-everything CE AR in a hypermobility game like Halo 5’s arena?
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> That’s how Halo has always worked.
Yes, in the past. Weaker, less accurate, inconsistent, non-overpowering, etc. weapons worked better for those games with a tamer pace. Weapons like that would not feel enjoyable to play with on Halo 5’s pace…
The Belittled Rifle educated us well on that lesson.
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> Yes, in the past. Weaker, less accurate, inconsistent, non-overpowering, etc. weapons worked better for those games with a tamer pace. Weapons like that would not feel enjoyable to play with on Halo 5’s pace…
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Does it feel enjoyable when someone spartan charges you and then kills you with THREE AR BULLETS?
Does it feel enjoyable when average AR players can easily out strafe everybody while spraying their trigger to get easy kills?
The youtuber Vetoed gave everybody the demonstration of how OP that weapon is, getting to FFA Champ by only using the AR.
But yeah, i understand that for H5 fanboys it’s an untouchable weapon lol.
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> why? cause you weren’t able to spray it across the map to kill people? lol
I never use the AR for range and its my favorite gun in the series, mainly in non pvp modes. Ive always loved the design and was very happy to find that it was a viable option in H5.
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> The youtuber Vetoed gave everybody the demonstration of how OP that weapon is, getting to FFA Champ by only using the AR.
This i dont understand. Youre saying this person made a point to show that its a skilless weapon by getting to champ with it? I guess the magnum is the noobiest weapon in the game seeing how many people use it.
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> Does it feel enjoyable when someone spartan charges you and then kills you with THREE AR BULLETS?
That can happen with literally any gun. Not sure why just the AR is being singled out.
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> Does it feel enjoyable when average AR players can easily out strafe everybody while spraying their trigger to get easy kills?
Maybe you should improve your aim. Mid-long range this will not happen if you land your headshots.
OP, with all due respect, when you start insulting/mocking people for their responses for your thread, you’re not contributing to a discussion anymore. Why start a thread if you’re going to ignore opposing opinions?
I like the AR, but then I tend to play Warzone Firefight a lot, where the extra range over an SMG is desirable (to me), but a DMR/BR is also a requirement for longer ranges. Personally I think the AR is quite well balanced.
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> OP, with all due respect, when you start insulting/mocking people for their responses for your thread, you’re not contributing to a discussion anymore. Why start a thread if you’re going to ignore opposing opinions?
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> I like the AR, but then I tend to play Warzone Firefight a lot, where the extra range over an SMG is desirable (to me), but a DMR/BR is also a requirement for longer ranges. Personally I think the AR is quite well balanced.
I couldnt agree more. In FF if im not in a vehicle im rocking double ARs 100% of the time. -Yoinking!- love that gun.
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> > why? cause you weren’t able to spray it across the map to kill people? lol
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> I never use the AR for range and its my favorite gun in the series, mainly in non pvp modes. Ive always loved the design and was very happy to find that it was a viable option in H5.
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> This i dont understand. Youre saying this person made a point to show that its a skilless weapon by getting to champ with it? I guess the magnum is the noobiest weapon in the game seeing how many people use it.
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> Maybe you should improve your aim. Mid-long range this will not happen if you land your headshots.
The mag does actually take skill to be used so even if everybody uses it it’s not a nooby weapon. Or maybe you’re saying that all the Halo pros are noobs? Dude wake up, why do you think they removed automatics from HCS gametypes? Because they realized it gives people a free kill.
When you spartan charge someone it takes a headshot to kill them with a precision weapon, with the AR you only have to spray it randomly, can’t deny this.
Almost 60% average precison with non automatics so maybe my aim is not the problem.
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> OP, with all due respect, when you start insulting/mocking people for their responses for your thread, you’re not contributing to a discussion anymore. Why start a thread if you’re going to ignore opposing opinions?
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> I like the AR, but then I tend to play Warzone Firefight a lot, where the extra range over an SMG is desirable (to me), but a DMR/BR is also a requirement for longer ranges. Personally I think the AR is quite well balanced.
I’m not insulting anyone here. Your opinions are more than welcome.
I just don’t get how people keep defending the AR even if it is clearly OP.
I’m ok with it in Warzone and Social playlists but i think in Arena it should be a pickup weapon just like the BR/DMR/SMG and all the others…BUT if it was a pickup weapon it would be clearly useless compared to SMGs/Brute Rifles/Storm Rifles, that’s why i don’t see any reason why it should be kept into competitive ranked games.
Before the weapon tuning test started Team Arena playlist had BR/Gunfighter start and the ARs were just pickup weapons.
I personally would like this kind of starting loadout instead of the current one. The gunfighter does actually take skill to be used while being a great short range weapon.
P.S. Do you remember the H4 assault rifle? It was great, useful but not OP against precision weapons at short range. I’d like H5’s AR to be more like this.
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> I just don’t get how people keep defending the AR even if it is clearly OP.
I don’t understand why you have even made this thread in the first place when the AR is going to be changed from being “OP”. The fact that they are reducing damage, and it seems they are keeping the range reduction as well basically makes this whole issue null and void.
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> I’m ok with it in Warzone and Social playlists but i think in Arena it should be a pickup weapon just like the BR/DMR/SMG and all the others…BUT if it was a pickup weapon it would be clearly useless compared to SMGs/Brute Rifles/Storm Rifles, that’s why i don’t see any reason why it should be kept into competitive ranked games.
Okay, here once again you are contradicting yourself. Just like JensBoef stated earlier in the thread what are you really saying here? Either the AR is OP or it isn’t. If it is OP than why is it useless compared to the other autos?
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> Before the weapon tuning test started Team Arena playlist had BR/Gunfighter start and the ARs were just pickup weapons.
Before the weapon tuning test started it had Pistol and AR starts like it currently does. I hope they don’t revert to the BR/Gunfighter no matter if they are changing the tuning a little. I have come to really appreciate the Pistol/AR starts since the whole test was finished.
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> Okay, here once again you are contradicting yourself. Just like JensBoef stated earlier in the thread what are you really saying here? Either the AR is OP or it isn’t. If it is OP than why is it useless compared to the other autos?
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> Before the weapon tuning test started it had Pistol and AR starts like it currently does. I hope they don’t revert to the BR/Gunfighter no matter if they are changing the tuning a little. I have come to really appreciate the Pistol/AR starts since the whole test was finished.
Yeah they will reduce the damage but increase its fire rate so nothing is going to change.
You don’t understand what i’m saying cause you don’t want to. I’m saying that the AR is OP at short range against mags, while being useless against other automatics. It’s not difficult to understand dude, come on.
I was talking about before the actual test started, when they only changed the loadouts.
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> They need to go back to how easy to use weapons did the least damage and the harder to use did the most. Otherwise you get a boring sandbox.
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Absolutely agree with you.
Halo has always been one the most difficult games to play because you actually need to have great aim and movement. In H5 everybody just spray their triggers and thrust away thinking they’re good.
I’m wondering are we confusing team skill verses mechanical skill when it comes to the stats of people using it the same across ranks.
I stopped using ar and smg in favor of using the gun fighter pistol because it’s just feels better than them. The only smg I bother with now is long barrel or the one with jet stabilisation.
So when should the AR be able to beat a precision weapon in the AR’s intended range? Because I certainly shouldn’t have to burn an entire clip to get the kill. But even then, I guess that would be fine too. It’d just be used solely for camping if it’s not going to be useful at all in any other engagement range.
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> Yeah they will reduce the damage but increase its fire rate so nothing is going to change.
> You don’t understand what i’m saying cause you don’t want to. I’m saying that the AR is OP at short range against mags, while being useless against other automatics. It’s not difficult to understand dude, come on.
> I was talking about before the actual test started, when they only changed the loadouts.
Actually my reading comprehension is fine. You need to take the time and explain yourself better. What I want is for you to think about what you are posting, and reread before you post. You have two long time forum members here simply asking you to explain yourself better. So there must be something going with how you are wording things, which is not very well done.
Stop being passively aggressively rude with your responses, and try a little humble respect and you will go a long way here with some meaningful debate.
I still hold to my original thought that no matter what this is all premature speculation. You stating nothing will change doesn’t make it so. I think the AR changes will do it some justice. You are so concerned with AR pickups then there is absolutely a playlist for you.