Initial thoughts of beta. AR and SMG are way too OP. Kill time is too fast. Smart scope either needs to not be on them, or not give them an accuracy boost. Delay between sniper is too long. After switching from another weapon to the sniper, time to be able to zoom is too long. Makes the gun feel clunky and not smooth.
They said they would make the Sniper faster to zoom in.
Not sure if they should make it faster, because the sniper is a beast, you lose a tiny bit of shield, a sniper shot to your chest you’re still dead. So if they make it faster zoom they gotta weaken the sniper to some extent, as least make it on the same level as the Halo 3 sniper where half shield, a shot to the chest will kill you. But not as weak like the Halo 2 sniper, where a body shot only kills if you have no shield.
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> Initial thoughts of beta. AR and SMG are way too OP. Kill time is too fast. Smart scope either needs to not be on them, or not give them an accuracy boost. Delay between sniper is too long. After switching from another weapon to the sniper, time to be able to zoom is too long. Makes the gun feel clunky and not smooth.
Did they not say smart scope doesn’t improve accuracy already?
I find the AR to be pretty weak, but the SMG is VERY powerful. I guess because there is no duel wielding they made it stronger.
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> Initial thoughts of beta. AR and SMG are way too OP. Kill time is too fast.
I strongly disagree. They’re powerful but powerful in the same way that a DMR or Pistol can be. Ie. they’re worth a damn.
The AR needs a massive nerf to its effective range with and without smartscope
Needs a nerf to its accuracy as well
The AR is powerful in close range, and MID range, it anything they should keep the damage, but nerf the range.
Mid range weapons should be only the BR and DMR.
SMG is fine. It’s an on-map weapon that you have to pick up. Nerf it now and its just useless.
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> The AR needs a massive nerf to its effective range with and without smartscope
> Needs a nerf to its accuracy as well
this!
its ridiculous to be honest.
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> > Initial thoughts of beta. AR and SMG are way too OP. Kill time is too fast. Smart scope either needs to not be on them, or not give them an accuracy boost. Delay between sniper is too long. After switching from another weapon to the sniper, time to be able to zoom is too long. Makes the gun feel clunky and not smooth.
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> Did they not say smart scope doesn’t improve accuracy already?
It definitely does. Just play the game and try it. They said hip fire doesn’t have reduced accuracy. The ar and smg are a little ridiculous with smart scope. Especially the SMG.
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> The AR needs a massive nerf to its effective range with and without smartscope
> Needs a nerf to its accuracy as well
Again, no it doesn’t. Even on these small maps I can easily push AR users out of their effective range with a BR or even just a pistol. That said, they still have a fighting chance of taking me out because the AR’s niche is sufficiently wide to enter into mid-ranged combat. Nerf the AR’s range and that acceptable situation becomes the same-old mid-long range domination that made previous Halo games (in the end) almost insufferable to play (because of how BR/DMR over-dominance reduces gameplay down to an iota of weapon mechanics and a sliver of a sandbox.)
Of all the things to change in the Beta this aspect isn’t one of them.
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> > The AR needs a massive nerf to its effective range with and without smartscope
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> Again, no it doesn’t. Even on these small maps I can easily push AR users out of their effective range with a BR or even just a pistol. That said, they still have a fighting chance of taking me out because the AR’s niche is sufficiently wide to enter into mid-ranged combat. Nerf the AR’s range and that acceptable situation becomes the same-old mid-long range domination that made previous Halo games (in the end) almost insufferable to play (because of how BR/DMR over-dominance reduces gameplay down to an iota of weapon mechanics and a sliver of a sandbox.)
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> Of all the things to change in the Beta this aspect isn’t one of them.
I respectfully disagree
If I can kill someone from prophets bane spawn when they are standing at back blue wall with the AR with smartscope that to me suggests there is a problem with either range accuracy power or all three
AR needs more spread and faster bloom to lower its effect at range, same with SMG. The kill time could be lowered a little on both too, not a lot, just a little. They just shouldn’t be able to beat a BR at mid-range with ease. And oh ya, make both the AR and SMG map pick ups and have BR starts become the standard.
EDIT: Both need bloom in Smart Scope too, just to stop them from being pin point accurate.
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> > The AR needs a massive nerf to its effective range with and without smartscope
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> Again, no it doesn’t. Even on these small maps I can easily push AR users out of their effective range with a BR or even just a pistol. That said, they still have a fighting chance of taking me out because the AR’s niche is sufficiently wide to enter into mid-ranged combat. Nerf the AR’s range and that acceptable situation becomes the same-old mid-long range domination that made previous Halo games (in the end) almost insufferable to play (because of how BR/DMR over-dominance reduces gameplay down to an iota of weapon mechanics and a sliver of a sandbox.)
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> Of all the things to change in the Beta this aspect isn’t one of them.
The BR and DMR should be better than the SMG and AR. The automatic weapons that require less skill shouldn’t be able to kill faster than the weapons that reward precision aiming at the same range.
The AR and SMG are actually worth using now. Kids can’t constantly -Yoink!- the BR and DMR and expect to always come out on top, which is how it should be.
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> The AR and SMG are actually worth using now. Kids can’t constantly -Yoink!- the BR and DMR and expect to always come out on top, which is how it should be.
LOL Like actually using weapons of skill and not a easy spray and pray gun? You are the cancer to the halo community, please leave.
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> > The AR and SMG are actually worth using now. Kids can’t constantly -Yoink!- the BR and DMR and expect to always come out on top, which is how it should be.
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> LOL Like actually using weapons of skill and not a easy spray and pray gun? You are the cancer to the halo community, please leave.
I use both the BR and DMR so how about you keep your mouth shut before throwing out idiotic accusations. Fools like you are the reason this community is spread as thin as it already is.
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> > > The AR and SMG are actually worth using now. Kids can’t constantly -Yoink!- the BR and DMR and expect to always come out on top, which is how it should be.
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> I use both the BR and DMR so how about you keep your mouth shut before throwing out idiotic accusations. Fools like you are the reason this community is spread as thin as it already is.
The problem is as I have stated more then a few times now is that the AR is now far too accurate and far too powerful at far too great a distance
I’m all for it being a viable weapon in close range battles but it should not be able to compete at mid range
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> The AR and SMG are actually worth using now. Kids can’t constantly -Yoink!- the BR and DMR and expect to always come out on top, which is how it should be.
The BR and DMR require you to actually aim your shots. AR and SMG do not, especially at close range. Following that logic BR and DMR should have faster kill times. AR should not stand a chance against someone who perfect 4 shots you with the BR, even at closer range. I think that the Halo 4 AR literally perfect when you compare it to its sandbox.