I really don’t understand why this weapon would be included. Slayer Pro has always been about using the more skillful, precision weapons. What do you think? Does it belong?
Because it’s actually effective at closer ranges?
However, good luck getting close against a good team though.
Actually, the AR is pretty useful in Slayer Pro. Granted, I don’t use it myself, but I’ve lost many times in close combat when against someone with an AR. Slayer pro isn’t much of a precision game either. It drops ordinance like rockets and shotgun like a normal slayer game, so I don’t see the difference…
If people want to use it, just let them. It is the tool of a lone wolf, not a teamplayer. Slayer Pro is won and lost on the teamwork, and anybody using the AR isn’t going to be a good teamplayer. They become individually stronger, but the team becomes weaker as a result, offsetting the advantage they would gain from the AR.
> Actually, the AR is pretty useful in Slayer Pro. Granted, I don’t use it myself, but I’ve lost many times in close combat when against someone with an AR. Slayer pro isn’t much of a precision game either. It drops ordinance like rockets and shotgun like a normal slayer game, so I don’t see the difference…
Well, I meant besides power weapons.
Maybe because automatics does take skill but you’re blinded by your own bias towards precision weapons?
Why not play SWAT then?
> Maybe because automatics does take skill but you’re blinded by your own bias towards precision weapons?
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> Why not play SWAT then?
Automatics take no skill…hold in the trigger while strafing around easiest kill in the world. I’ll still 5 shot you before you can kill me anyways
> Maybe because automatics does take skill but you’re blinded by your own bias towards precision weapons?
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> Why not play SWAT then?
Wow, you’re literally the first and only person I’ve ever heard say that automatics take skill to use.
Stay off my team please.
@Neo Kaiser 0 I really don’t see what is so skillful about using automatics. They kill very fast at close range and you barely have to think about aiming. I don’t play swat as much because I prefer having shields. Anyways, I’m not that mad about the AR in slayer pro, I don’t think of it as too big a deal.
> If people want to use it, just let them. It is the tool of a lone wolf, not a teamplayer. Slayer Pro is won and lost on the teamwork, and anybody using the AR isn’t going to be a good teamplayer. They become individually stronger, but the team becomes weaker as a result, offsetting the advantage they would gain from the AR.
I would love to see what kind of logic you’ve cooked up to support that statement…
How is it any less of a “team weapon” than the others?
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It’s fine. Some people, like myself, don’t want to play with precision weapons only 24/7. I do use precision weapons a lot, but it’s nice to have something refreshing once in awhile.
> I really don’t see what is so skillful about using automatics. They kill very fast at close range and you barely have to think about aiming.
I really don’t see what is so skillful about using precision weapons. They kill very fast at long range and you barely have to think about aiming due to assist and magnetism.
Really, none of the weapons in this game are particularly hard to aim, except the projectile ones. It’s not that automatics take skill, its that precision weapons don’t take skill either.
> > If people want to use it, just let them. It is the tool of a lone wolf, not a teamplayer. Slayer Pro is won and lost on the teamwork, and anybody using the AR isn’t going to be a good teamplayer. They become individually stronger, but the team becomes weaker as a result, offsetting the advantage they would gain from the AR.
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> I would love to see what kind of logic you’ve cooked up to support that statement…
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> How is it any less of a “team weapon” than the others?
With respect, I don’t go into tactics/strategy with the general public, knowledge like that is reserved for my clan’s use. I work hard to come across uncommon knowledge, and I won’t divulge it simply to win a single debate on the internet.
Of course, one issue with debates is that it can be hard to decide who is actually right. I find that even while I explain things, people can be intent on spouting nonsense just to take up the opposing position. This can make it unclear to the observers which side i actually correct.
So, if you wish you can challenge me to a 4v4. Your team will use the AR exclusively, while mine will be using the BR/DMR depending on map (Which will be your choice, one of the default non DLC maps so it won’t be an issue). Since this thread is on Slayer Pro specifically, gametype will be Slayer Pro. The match will probably be next weekend so we can make sure everybody will be available.
So if you wish to understand why I say that the AR isn’t a team based weapon, feel free to challenge me and I’ll teach you the hard way. Just so it is clear, if you still don’t realize after we beat you, why the AR isn’t a team based weapon, I’m not going into detail explaining it. You are not entitled to my knowledge, but I will oblige you with a 4v4 if you so desire.
Fair warning, don’t expect a fair match, having a full team with ARs will handicapp you more than you realize.
> I really don’t understand why this weapon would be included. Slayer Pro has always been about using the more skillful, precision weapons. What do you think? Does it belong?
No not always. Halo CE’s Slayer Pro had AR/Pistol starts as standard and both were effective. Maybe in Halo 2 onward it was “precision -Yoink!--fest away!” but it was not ALWAYS so.
As for belonging, since I still am a big fan of Halo CE’s slayer pro and am fond of AR/Pistol starts, yes I’m all for it staying.
The only skill I can see for automatics is maybe positioning and making a good flank? but that’s it. Seriously, there isn’t much if any at all when using the AR.
> @Neo Kaiser 0 I really don’t see what is so skillful about using automatics. They kill very fast at close range and you barely have to think about aiming. I don’t play swat as much because I prefer having shields. Anyways, I’m not that mad about the AR in slayer pro, I don’t think of it as too big a deal.
Maybe less so in Halo 4, since they removed bloom. I did find them more skillful in Reach when bloom was something you had to consider. You have to think more about aiming since you had to make sure you did hit. You could even say precision weapons take less skill then since they have enough ammo to miss half their shots and still remain accurate.
Regardless, shooting someone is not the only forms of measurement in a FPS or combat. There are many other factors you have to consider, like positioning, distance, teamwork, force multipliers, secondary weapons, etc.
It has already been settled by the community that W+M1 takes tremendous amounts of skill. So assault rifle definitely belongs in Slayer Pro.
> The only skill I can see for automatics is maybe positioning and making a good flank? but that’s it. Seriously, there isn’t much if any at all when using the AR.
Making your shots count too is another, autos tend to burn through ammo so if you’re careless you’d be caught reloading and then dead. There’s also the weaknesses of low effective range, no scopes or headshot kills, and generally (especially with this community) finding spare ammo is going to be pretty difficult.
Honestly I think they’re pretty skillful. With precision guns there’s so much going in their favor like the headshot kills, the scopes, generally fair levels of ammo that in my opinion it’s easier for players to learn it and do well with it.
On the flip side there’s so much going against the favor of autos that for a player to do well like having a good k/d, helping their team enough etc etc, they’d have to be pretty -Yoink!- good.
It’s one of those where a bad or average player can use it and kill with it, but a master can make it into something to be feared.
> On the flip side there’s so much going against the favor of autos that for a player to do well like having a good k/d, helping their team enough etc etc, they’d have to be pretty -Yoink!- good.
Not saying automatics are particularly skillful, but I would love to see a DMR user try to use the Suppressor.
The Suppressor, contrary to popular belief, does NOT suck, it just requires perfect positioning in order to kill someone.
> So, if you wish you can challenge me to a 4v4. Your team will use the AR exclusively, while mine will be using the BR/DMR depending on map
I don’t have a team, and it would be a valid challenge if you replaced DMR with Lightrifle and got a team of equal skill to play against you with AR’s.
I don’t see how more range equates to more teamwork.
> Not saying automatics are particularly skillful, but I would love to see a DMR user try to use the Suppressor.
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> The Suppressor, contrary to popular belief, does NOT suck, it just requires perfect positioning in order to kill someone.
Oh I’ve seen Suppressor users kill tons, it’s just REALLY tricky to use. Closing the distance without getting shot to pieces by the DMR fappers and then ruining them is something to behold. Seeing a Suppressor user get positive K/D and top score on BTB Ragnarok once was enough to make me fall out of my chair in disbelief.
The post-game chatter (mics! People actually had mics on!) was especially funny.
A weapon is just a weapon, but in the right hands it can be an instrument of doom.
Well, if you can use it, its pretty powerful. I’ve even won mid distance a number of times against a br or dmr user. They were bad players so not that big a deal, but still. Its pretty powerful though, as i believe it only takes half a clip or so to kill someone. Forget exactly but have gotten a kill and gotten someone 1 shot with one clip. In all fairness, the second person was afk but point is the same.
Ive been forced to practice using it as im going for the protector armor which requires to master the ar, br, dmr, pistol, and frag. I only need 900br and about 200 ar kills total. So ive had plenty of practice with it and larned how to use it. Currenty activly using it as sarting weapon, but once i actually master the ar, im fairly tempted to continue using it as my secondary, supporting the dmr(br sometimes) that way im covered long medium and close distance.
> > So, if you wish you can challenge me to a 4v4. Your team will use the AR exclusively, while mine will be using the BR/DMR depending on map
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> I don’t have a team, and it would be a valid challenge if you replaced DMR with Lightrifle and got a team of equal skill to play against you with AR’s.
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> I don’t see how more range equates to more teamwork.
That’s because you’re wrongfully assuming that that is the only factor, it isn’t.
Also no we’re not using LR. I don’t play much Slayer Pro but last I checked LR wasn’t an option (Correct me if I’m wrong though, I’m away from Xbox atm).
The debate is over the use of the AR in Slayer Pro, do not try to change the factors to those outside of the current debate, it is disingenous to do so.
We aren’t talking about the LR, we aren’t talking about BTB, we’re talking about the AR in Slayer Pro, all my earlier comments were based on that, so please be honest in your debates.
If you wish to get together a team of players with slayer KDs of 2-2.5 to battle me, fine. They would probably know better than to try a full AR team, and wouldn’t accept the challenge.
YOU must find a team at MY skill level though, as I couldn’t possibly find a team at your skill level and expect them to use the level of teamwork which I’m refering to, nor would I train 4 randoms with my knowledge. That isn’t meant as an insult, just realistically it couldn’t be done.
Before some overzealous Mod bans me for “Stat flaming”, I’m explaining it as nicely as I can, if you have some more PC method of saying “Players with lower KDs do not possess the same game knowledge, and aren’t able to effectively use the same tactics as those with higher KDs”, I’m all ears and will gladly explain it that way next time.
Like I said, if you wish to challenge, I’m all for it. But I’m not explaining my reasoning. Only my clan is privy to that information.
If you get your slayer KD up to 2, you can apply to join my clan, at which point I’ll gladly explain every last detail to you. Until then, my lips are sealed, so please don’t ask, and please don’t make assumptions on what I’m referring to.