TThe people who act like the SMG or AR are too strong (and not saying anything about the BR ownage for the last ten years) are kinda making me sad.
These Two maps are small to medium size. Assault rifles are starting weapon. Why is it being a good weapon on small maps bad. It does its job fine.
The BR used to be overly dominant for the last several games. You damn people who say the SMG or AR need to be weak didn’t say -Yoink- about nerfong the BR it was always “make it stronger”. And " omg BR is too weak" -Yoink-…
But now a close to mid range weapon(s) does its job and the BR (dmr too) aren’t needed and just good weapons to grab…you now want it weak and make the BR the damn all for all gun again
If you care about halo. And balance it
1: Leave it alone
Or
2: make all weapons weaker for longer kill times
Or
3: less aim assist
I’m leaning on thinking that’s why TTK seems so low and weapons seem OP because right now we only have small arena maps that are meant to be fast. Once we have larger maps I think all will be fine.
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> Hopefully 343 will be sensible and not listen to them or we will just end up with another Halo 2 BR fest.
It’s bound to happen. Since Halo Reach beta, the AR was good, it got nerfed. It always get nerfed. Most likely will happen here. The damage is fine, just limit the range and spread at medium distance.
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> > Hopefully 343 will be sensible and not listen to them or we will just end up with another Halo 2 BR fest.
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> It’s bound to happen. Since Halo Reach beta, the AR was good, it got nerfed. It always get nerfed. Most likely will happen here. The damage is fine, just limit the range and spread at medium distance.
Imo 343 ruined Reach all together. It was my favorite MP experience and what I was best at. I quit playing after all the Title updates
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> BR = actual aiming
> AR = spray and pray
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> If they want halo 5 to a big time esports game guess which one cannot be overly dominant
AR isn’t spray and pray if you’re using it at CQC like it’s intended in the first place.
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> BR = actual aiming
> AR = spray and pray
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> If they want halo 5 to a big time esports game guess which one cannot be overly dominant
This, it seems to me that the only people that support the way the AR is currently are the people that never got good with skill biased weapons.
i have no doubt in my mind that since this game will be designed for e sports and competitive play, that 343 will nerf the assault rifle so it can’t compete against the BR and DMR at medium range.
the assault rifle should only be effective in short range scenarios.
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> BR = actual aiming
> AR = spray and pray
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> If they want halo 5 to a big time esports game guess which one cannot be overly dominant
I kind of agree because BR starts get very dull and on small maps like Empire they are redundant. Especially in Halo 3 the BR dominated at all ranges save for melee range and very long distances. It’s nice to see those two guns actually being supreme in their range.
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> > 2660608708434194;6:
> > BR = actual aiming
> > AR = spray and pray
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> > If they want halo 5 to a big time esports game guess which one cannot be overly dominant
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> This, it seems to me that the only people that support the way the AR is currently are the people that never got good with skill biased weapons.
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> i have no doubt in my mind that since this game will be designed for e sports and competitive play, that 343 will nerf the assault rifle so it can’t compete against the BR and DMR at medium range.
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> the assault rifle should only be effective in short range scenarios.
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> It will be adjusted.
Or perhaps those people that support this AR are people that have to put up with all the BR dominance in the past games and want to see some… “balanced variety”? No way.
If it’s about showcasing skill, the BR isn’t the best weapon for that either, since it’s actually quite easy. Use the Carbine instead.
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> > 2660608708434194;6:
> > BR = actual aiming
> > AR = spray and pray
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> > If they want halo 5 to a big time esports game guess which one cannot be overly dominant
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> BR= Burst Fire
> AR= Full Auto
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> You still have to aim with both of them.
At least someone here still has a brain. This “AR=Spray and pray” bull has to stop. If you spray with an AR then you are an idiot, ARs are actually punished for spraying because since there is no headshot kill each and every one of those bullets is valuable in causing damage. Precision weapons are far more forgiving.
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> > > 2660608708434194;6:
> > > BR = actual aiming
> > > AR = spray and pray
> > >
> > > If they want halo 5 to a big time esports game guess which one cannot be overly dominant
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> >
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> > This, it seems to me that the only people that support the way the AR is currently are the people that never got good with skill biased weapons.
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> > i have no doubt in my mind that since this game will be designed for e sports and competitive play, that 343 will nerf the assault rifle so it can’t compete against the BR and DMR at medium range.
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> > the assault rifle should only be effective in short range scenarios.
> >
> > It will be adjusted.
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> Or perhaps those people that support this AR are people that have to put up with all the BR dominance in the past games and want to see some… “balanced variety”? No way.
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> If it’s about showcasing skill, the BR isn’t the best weapon for that either, since it’s actually quite easy. Use the Carbine instead.
That’s fine with me, as long as the assault rifle gets a range nerf I could care less what precision weapon becomes dominant.
Automatics should do well in CQC and in short range. Precision weapons should out class them beyond that. The only thing I would change is the range, otherwise the assault rifle is fine.
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> > > > 2660608708434194;6:
> > > > BR = actual aiming
> > > > AR = spray and pray
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> > > > If they want halo 5 to a big time esports game guess which one cannot be overly dominant
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> > > This, it seems to me that the only people that support the way the AR is currently are the people that never got good with skill biased weapons.
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> > > i have no doubt in my mind that since this game will be designed for e sports and competitive play, that 343 will nerf the assault rifle so it can’t compete against the BR and DMR at medium range.
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> > > the assault rifle should only be effective in short range scenarios.
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> > > It will be adjusted.
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> >
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> > Or perhaps those people that support this AR are people that have to put up with all the BR dominance in the past games and want to see some… “balanced variety”? No way.
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> > If it’s about showcasing skill, the BR isn’t the best weapon for that either, since it’s actually quite easy. Use the Carbine instead.
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> That’s fine with me, as long as the assault rifle gets a range nerf I could care less what precision weapon becomes dominant.
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> Automatics should do well in CQC and in short range. Precision weapons should out class them beyond that. The only thing I would change is the range, otherwise the assault rifle is fine.
With the SMG as it is, the AR needs something to make it unique, and seeing as it’s a rifle… medium range is not and shouldn’t be a surprise.
The AR should never beat a BR or DMR at range which it currently does. It needs to be competent so you aren’t completely useless when you spawn, but it shouldn’t be the weapon that you want to have.
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> The AR should never beat a BR or DMR at range which it currently does. It needs to be competent so you aren’t completely useless when you spawn, but it shouldn’t be the weapon that you want to have.
Why? Cuz that title should go to the BR? A title it’s held in every Halo game and gave no valid reason to use anything else besides power weapons?
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> > > > > BR = actual aiming
> > > > > AR = spray and pray
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> > > > > If they want halo 5 to a big time esports game guess which one cannot be overly dominant
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> > > > This, it seems to me that the only people that support the way the AR is currently are the people that never got good with skill biased weapons.
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> > > > i have no doubt in my mind that since this game will be designed for e sports and competitive play, that 343 will nerf the assault rifle so it can’t compete against the BR and DMR at medium range.
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> > > > the assault rifle should only be effective in short range scenarios.
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> > > > It will be adjusted.
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> > > Or perhaps those people that support this AR are people that have to put up with all the BR dominance in the past games and want to see some… “balanced variety”? No way.
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> > > If it’s about showcasing skill, the BR isn’t the best weapon for that either, since it’s actually quite easy. Use the Carbine instead.
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> > That’s fine with me, as long as the assault rifle gets a range nerf I could care less what precision weapon becomes dominant.
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> > Automatics should do well in CQC and in short range. Precision weapons should out class them beyond that. The only thing I would change is the range, otherwise the assault rifle is fine.
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> With the SMG as it is, the AR needs something to make it unique, and seeing as it’s a rifle… medium range is not and shouldn’t be a surprise.
SMG is a map pick up, it should be better than a starting weapon.
Plus, lets not act like team work between two ar users can’t take out one guy with an SMG.
You can try to slice it whichever way you want too, but the assault rifle needs a nerf, and since this game is being advertised towards the compatible community it will more than likely get one.
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> > BR = actual aiming
> > AR = spray and pray
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> > If they want halo 5 to a big time esports game guess which one cannot be overly dominant
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> This, it seems to me that the only people that support the way the AR is currently are the people that never got good with skill biased weapons.
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> i have no doubt in my mind that since this game will be designed for e sports and competitive play, that 343 will nerf the assault rifle so it can’t compete against the BR and DMR at medium range.
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> the assault rifle should only be effective in short range scenarios.
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> It will be adjusted.
I use the AR but it’s only because It’s always how I’ve played halo. I’ve always played more of a brawler getting up close for pummels and CQC. I don’t however attempt to engage at long range with an AR.
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> > > > > > BR = actual aiming
> > > > > > AR = spray and pray
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> > > > > > If they want halo 5 to a big time esports game guess which one cannot be overly dominant
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > This, it seems to me that the only people that support the way the AR is currently are the people that never got good with skill biased weapons.
> > > > >
> > > > > i have no doubt in my mind that since this game will be designed for e sports and competitive play, that 343 will nerf the assault rifle so it can’t compete against the BR and DMR at medium range.
> > > > >
> > > > > the assault rifle should only be effective in short range scenarios.
> > > > >
> > > > > It will be adjusted.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Or perhaps those people that support this AR are people that have to put up with all the BR dominance in the past games and want to see some… “balanced variety”? No way.
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> > > > If it’s about showcasing skill, the BR isn’t the best weapon for that either, since it’s actually quite easy. Use the Carbine instead.
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> > >
> > >
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> > > That’s fine with me, as long as the assault rifle gets a range nerf I could care less what precision weapon becomes dominant.
> > >
> > > Automatics should do well in CQC and in short range. Precision weapons should out class them beyond that. The only thing I would change is the range, otherwise the assault rifle is fine.
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> > With the SMG as it is, the AR needs something to make it unique, and seeing as it’s a rifle… medium range is not and shouldn’t be a surprise.
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> SMG is a map pick up, it should be better than a starting weapon.
> Plus, lets not act like team work between two ar users can’t take out one guy with an SMG.
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> You can try to slice it whichever way you want too, but the assault rifle needs a nerf, and since this game is being advertised towards the compatible community it will more than likely get one.
You pick up the SMG to be even better at a CQC moment compared to the AR so there’s that.
Two vs one is always a disadvantage to the one lol, it’s what that one person does with everything at their disposal (not just the weapon they hold, don’t forget the golden triangle of Halo).
But yes sadly it’ll likely see a nerf, we always have to cater to the BR folk.