What I mean about this is that i hate that the magnum is so OP that it is almost pointless to use an AR. You spawn and just instantly switch to your pistol. Call me old fashioned but i’m a fan of using the AR. I like h3 when using the magnum was a last resort, (thought i could still destroy with the magnum in that game.) Even in Hreach and H4 i felt the pistols still weren’t really OP. I don’t know maybe i’m largely in a minority here.
As each game comes out the pistol got nerfed over and over again. Halo 5 has made the pistol actually effective again. The magnum in Halo 4 was so pathetic and worthless I don’t know why anyone would have used it (it also was made pointless by a pistol shotgun as a loadout weapon smh). So I am actually happy the pistol is a worthwhile weapon again.
I do see how it can be toooo op, I have been beaten in many gunfights when it was AR vs Magnum. That is kinda ridiculous in my opinion, but I also probably need to strafe more. The thing that makes it balanced out a bit is that it takes more accuracy to get that perfect kill.
Generally, I think it is fine where it’s at, but I see your concern.
I think the magnum is good enough to use but at the same time it’s not good enough that I’d pass on a BR or any other precision pick up.
I could see it maybe being slightly nerfed but it actually takes some skill to get kills with the magnum and I think that should be rewarded where the AR isn’t as good but is much easier to use
The Magnum has basically always been one of the best weapons in the Halo series so I think it’s fine just the way it is. Also didn’t they take the AR out of HCS because it was too good?
No, it’s great. It’s less powerful than other precision weapons like BR, DMR, carbine, but still good enough to compete with them, and therefore a great starting weapon. The AR is good too, but only in a short range.
To be honest, I couldn’t think of a better starting set than magnum (mid to long range) +AR (short range). What do you suggest? That the AR would be better than the magnum?
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> What I mean about this is that i hate that the magnum is so OP that it is almost pointless to use an AR. You spawn and just instantly switch to your pistol. Call me old fashioned but i’m a fan of using the AR. I like h3 when using the magnum was a last resort, (thought i could still destroy with the magnum in that game.) Even in Hreach and H4 i felt the pistols still weren’t really OP. I don’t know maybe i’m largely in a minority here.
Well yeah its supposed to be. That way the more skilled players win.
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> No, it’s great. It’s less powerful than other precision weapons like BR, DMR, carbine, but still good enough to compete with them, and therefore a great starting weapon. The AR is good too, but only in a short range.
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> To be honest, I couldn’t think of a better starting set than magnum (mid to long range) +AR (short range). What do you suggest? That the AR would be better than the magnum?
More h3 style where it wasn’t default spawn and switch instantly to the pistol.
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> > What I mean about this is that i hate that the magnum is so OP that it is almost pointless to use an AR. You spawn and just instantly switch to your pistol. Call me old fashioned but i’m a fan of using the AR. I like h3 when using the magnum was a last resort, (thought i could still destroy with the magnum in that game.) Even in Hreach and H4 i felt the pistols still weren’t really OP. I don’t know maybe i’m largely in a minority here.
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> Well yeah its supposed to be. That way the more skilled players win.
Don’t get me wrong i can use the pistol very well as well as most other weapons. But yea that is accurate. you are either good with it or you get destroyed.
It’s probably the hardest weapon to use effectively so I don’t think it’s OP.
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> > > What I mean about this is that i hate that the magnum is so OP that it is almost pointless to use an AR. You spawn and just instantly switch to your pistol. Call me old fashioned but i’m a fan of using the AR. I like h3 when using the magnum was a last resort, (thought i could still destroy with the magnum in that game.) Even in Hreach and H4 i felt the pistols still weren’t really OP. I don’t know maybe i’m largely in a minority here.
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> Don’t get me wrong i can use the pistol very well as well as most other weapons. But yea that is accurate. you are either good with it or you get destroyed.
That an important part of “Halo” gameplay. Halo CE had the piston and Halo 2 had the BR. Not for the casual gamer. There is a reason people played those 2 games for YEARS . No other game since then has had that kind of playtime for that long and it’s not even close.
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> The Magnum has basically always been one of the best weapons in the Halo series so I think it’s fine just the way it is. Also didn’t they take the AR out of HCS because it was too good?
Halo 2 would like a word. They were garbage in 2.
Then again most of the weapons in H2 were garbage outside of anything with a scope or in certain specific circumstances.
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> Halo 2 would like a word. They were garbage in 2.
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> Then again most of the weapons in H2 were garbage outside of anything with a scope or in certain specific circumstances.
I think they would have been better in 2 if the BR wasn’t already so good in that game.
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> What I mean about this is that i hate that the magnum is so OP that it is almost pointless to use an AR. You spawn and just instantly switch to your pistol. Call me old fashioned but i’m a fan of using the AR. I like h3 when using the magnum was a last resort, (thought i could still destroy with the magnum in that game.) Even in Hreach and H4 i felt the pistols still weren’t really OP. I don’t know maybe i’m largely in a minority here.
For a pocket DMR, maybe? Though, I don’t suppose 343 sees it overpowering with bringing no nerfs (or adjustments) to the tuning update…
I wonder if they will find a middle ground between the Gunfighter and the regular magnum; I just don’t find it ideal to have different magnums for starting weapons across certain playlists.
(Note: This is not including the Weapon Tuning)
No, the AR is really powerful compared to the Pistol. Everyone uses the Pistol because it’s the utility weapon of the game and most encounters will take place from mid range.
But a Perfect Pistol will never defeat a Perfect AR, so as long as you land all your shots at close range, you can beat them. If they miss one Pistol shot, well its already over.
It has a learning curve, unlike a certain three-shot burst where anyone can become god with it. I’d rather it stay the utility weapon for Halo.
And the AR is powerful as well. You’re probably not using it properly.
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> The Magnum has basically always been one of the best weapons in the Halo series so I think it’s fine just the way it is. Also didn’t they take the AR out of HCS because it was too good?
Kinda, they said it was because it narrowed the skill gap a little much, which I agree with completely.
On topic, I think that the magnum is right where it should be. It’s a good precision weapon that doesn’t have an insane range, but can also be used to outplay up close. And, unless the other person is god awful, it’s pretty hard to win AR v. Magnum. You only have enough time to get a perfect five shot before you’re done for. In that same scenario, if the magnum were nerfed to garbage, my only resort would be to switch to AR as quick as I could and make a futile effort to mow the opposition down prior to them being able to mow me down. There’s zero skill in that in my opinion, and zero excitement gameplay wise.
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> What I mean about this is that i hate that the magnum is so OP that it is almost pointless to use an AR. You spawn and just instantly switch to your pistol. Call me old fashioned but i’m a fan of using the AR. I like h3 when using the magnum was a last resort, (thought i could still destroy with the magnum in that game.) Even in Hreach and H4 i felt the pistols still weren’t really OP. I don’t know maybe i’m largely in a minority here.
I think the reasoning has been hammered to death and I will take the bait. The point was to have a strong precision weap that while being inferior to BR and DMR at certain ranges is still effective enough so you aren’t considered DOA on spawn. The AR is actually the most powerful AR in the history of Halo so maybe you aren’t using its burst properly or something. The AR overall takes less skill to kill so history Halo has ALWAYS favored precision weaps than AR’s. This is the 2nd strongest pistol in the franchise. I have a feeling based on our weapon tuning test the creators of Halo want to roll back to BR starts on HCS and 4 man game types for Halo 6. That should be fine and fun. But this is not a knock on the H5 Pistol. It was a pretty awesome creation and although I have pounded this point to death…I will keep pounding. The amount of weapons that are effective from proper distance is the greatest achievement of Halo 5. I feel like I can take anyone down with 25+ weapons and that is a truly amazing accomplishment. Previous Halo’s for me maybe had between 3 to 8 “go to” weaps. If 343 just simply decided to reskin 90% of H5 weaps and then lightly tweak 10% and maybe add another 5% new we are in amazing shape for Halo 6.
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> I think they would have been better in 2 if the BR wasn’t already so good in that game.
Even without the BR wasn’t the ultimate weapon in H2 there were plenty of other failings in the sandbox.
The Magnums also still had a massive firepower shortfall. Halo CE’s M6D could kill in 3 shots, H2’s M6C took 11-13. Unless you were dual wielding and had trigger fingers on speed or using a certain weapon combo you were more than likely in trouble.
This page is filled with magnum downplayers. Yes it was overpowered in Halo CE, and I don’t think that was a good thing, I don’t think anyone thought that was a good thing because it’s a -Yoinking!- spawn weapon, so really it shouldn’t be overpowered. It was kinda crap in Halo 2, 3 and Reach, but suddenly in Halo 5 it’s overpowered again. Halo 5 is the only game where the magnum can outperform the battle rifle, and the carbine, in the hands of a skilled player, and if you ask me that’s -Yoinking!- ridicules because those weapons are “power weapons” that you have to grab. The magnum in Halo 5 has a longer effective range than ever before, and has the fastest TTK out of any headshot capable weapon. It’s so overpowered that I’ve seen people with storm rifles lose midrange engagements to people with pistols. At a certain point you wonder why anyone picks up other weapons when you have the damn pistol.
Please 343 don’t listen to these pistol downplayers, and bring back the -Yoink- pistols we had in Halo 2, and 3. Which (if you’re using the glory days of Halo arguement), means Halo’s better off with underwhelming short range pistols. Especially since the assault rifle and most of the other CQC weapons are getting nerfed in the latest weapon tuning update. -Yoink- the magnum is gonna run rampant now…
I use Pistol and AR for different combat situations, i.e. turning corners is effective with AR and pistol is a little more longer range. Anyways I have beaten many people with the AR who were using the pistol. I like where it is at now.
Also it would kinda screw up the HCS Gamemode