When 343 was asked why they would not add objectives into Big team infinity slayer they said something like " we don’t want to mess with our most popular playlist." ok. As much as i disagree with that it’s fine right? no. Why? Because they added slayer pro in BOTH infinity slayer and Big team infinity slayer. If you have been on the forums since then both in the halo 4 forum and matchmaking people have been complaining off and on about pro being added.
I am neither for or against Pro. My point here is the decision to add pro in has obviously effected peoples views negatively on both playlists. So what i’m asking is why is it okay for pro to be in but not objective? If you’re planning on staying by this decision 343 then at least give us a proper reason on the lack of objective in Big team.
> You are aware they released Big Team Skirmish this week right?
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> In answer to your question, adding objectives to a slayer playlist is a much bigger change than adding slightly-different-slayer to a slayer playlist.
Big team skrimish is a poor excuse for the big team that was in halo 2-reach.
It has only 3 game types one of which i extremely dislike.
Second thing If they really are not making the change due to the names that’s probably the saddest thing ever. We would have more playlist room and more happy fans if we returned Big team to it’s former glory.
Also infinity slayer means slayer with infinity settings yet slayer pro is differently named and does not use the same settings. So it’s still a poor excuse.
> > You are aware they released Big Team Skirmish this week right?
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> > In answer to your question, adding objectives to a slayer playlist is a much bigger change than adding slightly-different-slayer to a slayer playlist.
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> Big team skrimish is a poor excuse for the big team that was in halo 2-reach.
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> It has only 3 game types one of which i extremely dislike.
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> Second thing If they really are not making the change due to the names that’s probably the saddest thing ever. We would have more playlist room and more happy fans if we returned Big team to it’s former glory.
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> Also infinity slayer means slayer with infinity settings yet slayer pro is differently named and does not use the same settings. So it’s still a poor excuse.
So you just want more objective types in Big Team Skirmish? I don’t know what you mean by “If they really are not making the change due to the names”.
> > > You are aware they released Big Team Skirmish this week right?
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> > > In answer to your question, adding objectives to a slayer playlist is a much bigger change than adding slightly-different-slayer to a slayer playlist.
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> > Big team skrimish is a poor excuse for the big team that was in halo 2-reach.
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> > It has only 3 game types one of which i extremely dislike.
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> > Second thing If they really are not making the change due to the names that’s probably the saddest thing ever. We would have more playlist room and more happy fans if we returned Big team to it’s former glory.
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> > Also infinity slayer means slayer with infinity settings yet slayer pro is differently named and does not use the same settings. So it’s still a poor excuse.
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> So you just want more objective types in Big Team Skirmish? I don’t know what you mean by “If they really are not making the change due to the names”.
No i want big team battle back. How hard is that to understand? And i’m saying if anyone or 343 says they will not add objective to big team infinity slayer because objective games don’t use the same settings then all i have to say is look at slayer pro.
Different settings then the infinity settings for infinity slayer yet it’s allowed in both infinity slayer playlists.
Well your point was not obvious. I read it as “if they will add slayer pro to BTB, why not add objective?”. When actually you mean “if they won’t add objective to BTB, why add pro?”.
Though I have given my answer to that question, and it had nothing to do with the playlist name
> Adding objectives to a slayer playlist is a much bigger change than adding slightly-different-slayer to a slayer playlist.
> Well your point was not obvious. I read it as “if they will add slayer pro to BTB, why not add objective?”. When actually you mean “if they won’t add objective to BTB, why add pro?”.
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> Though I have given my answer to that question, and it had nothing to do with the playlist name
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> > Adding objectives to a slayer playlist is a much bigger change than adding slightly-different-slayer to a slayer playlist.
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> If pro was hated by all then it wouldnt get voted in (though I agree you shouldn’t be given 3 pro choices - I’m not sure if they always offer an IS option or not).
My point was why tell us that they don’t wish to screw with a popular playlist and then they do it? I am not arguing or saying that pro is hated by all. My point is that there are many people upset with the adding of pro in either playlist. And i’ll state once more this argument is not about wether i want pro in or out.
If the whole actual goal behind not adding objective was to not piss some fans off then they failed by adding pro. Yes some are happy but there are others that are not. The same would be true if they did add objective. So i don’t see the point anymore for not adding objective to big team.
> My point was why tell us that they don’t wish to screw with a popular playlist and then they do it? I am not arguing or saying that pro is hated by all. My point is that there are many people upset with the adding of pro in either playlist. And i’ll state once more this argument is not about wether i want pro in or out.
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> If the whole actual goal behind not adding objective was to not piss some fans off then they failed by adding pro. Yes some are happy but there are others that are not. The same would be true if they did add objective. So i don’t see the point anymore for not adding objective to big team.
Yeah I edited the “If pro was hated by all” bit out of my post right after I posted it.
You can never please everyone. Literally any change you can think of making to the game, however small, is going to piss some people off. If they changed the pistol to be 10% darker in colour you’d still get people posting “new pistol is ugly, why 343 put their own spin on everything!?”.
My argument is this and only this: Adding pro to BTIS is not the same as adding objective to BTIS. Pro is a slight tweak of settings, Objective changes to goal of the game. And that is why I feel your argument is invalid.
I also don’t believe that you don’t mind Pro being is BTIS. If that was the case then what are you hoping to achieve by posting this? unless just to bash a decision of 343 even when said decision hasn’t negatively affected you at all.
> I’m not sure whats happening here because what I see is someone says BTB has been ruined?
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> But isn’t there 2 BTB types and one is skirmish?
I think OP is trying to say that there isn’t any point to having Big Team Skirmish.
They’re trying to get at simply putting Objective into BTIS to have an actual BTB playlist instead of two split ones.
343i apperantly said they didn’t add Objective to BTIS because they “Didn’t want to change the most popular playlist.” OP is using Slayer Pro as an example asking why it was ok to put that in but not Objective.
My reasoning would be because it’s slayer and still the same gametype theoretically.
> > I’m not sure whats happening here because what I see is someone says BTB has been ruined?
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> > But isn’t there 2 BTB types and one is skirmish?
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> I think OP is trying to say that there isn’t any point to having Big Team Skirmish.
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> They’re trying to get at simply putting Objective into BTIS to have an actual BTB playlist instead of two split ones.
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> 343i apperantly said they didn’t add Objective to BTIS because they “Didn’t want to change the most popular playlist.” OP is using Slayer Pro as an example asking why it was ok to put that in but not Objective.
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> My reasoning would be because it’s slayer and still the same gametype theoretically.
They have two BT playlists? Really? BTB was fine in the older games. I honestly don’t see why there are two playlists for this, it just hurts the population even more. Most devs would try to merge playlists together to keep the pop, for lack of a better word, healthy.
OT: BTB should have never been messed with in the first place. It was fairly popular & didn’t need two separate versions of itself in a franchise that’s becoming less popular very quickly.
> > My point was why tell us that they don’t wish to screw with a popular playlist and then they do it? I am not arguing or saying that pro is hated by all. My point is that there are many people upset with the adding of pro in either playlist. And i’ll state once more this argument is not about wether i want pro in or out.
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> > If the whole actual goal behind not adding objective was to not piss some fans off then they failed by adding pro. Yes some are happy but there are others that are not. The same would be true if they did add objective. So i don’t see the point anymore for not adding objective to big team.
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> Yeah I edited the “If pro was hated by all” bit out of my post right after I posted it.
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> You can never please everyone. Literally any change you can think of making to the game, however small, is going to piss some people off. If they changed the pistol to be 10% darker in colour you’d still get people posting “new pistol is ugly, why 343 put their own spin on everything!?”.
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> My argument is this and only this: Adding pro to BTIS is not the same as adding objective to BTIS. Pro is a slight tweak of settings, Objective changes to goal of the game. And that is why I feel your argument is invalid.
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> I also don’t believe that you don’t mind Pro being is BTIS. If that was the case then what are you hoping to achieve by posting this? unless just to bash a decision of 343 even when said decision hasn’t negatively affected you at all.
I’m aware you can’t please everyone. Someone always gets upset at everything. But honestly there are very few things in this game that i dislike. This is one of them and i’m going to speak up about it. I don’t care how different they are. 343’s supposed reason behind not adding objective was to not upset people who enjoyed the playlist.
But they ended up failing that goal when they added pro. It’s still being argued about over in the matchmaking forum. All i was hoping to achieve was either a better explination VIA the community or 343. Because i’m a reasonable person. I’ll accept changes if need be. I just want a better reason then what’s been layed on the table.
> The total of the two BTB playlists is beating what used to be the total of a single BTB playlist.
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> No merging necessary.
We could arguably have the same amount if not more in a single playlist by merging.
That and we’d have an extra playlist slot which could be used to bring team objective back because it was removed for BTB skirmish. and we kind of need it back since the only playlist that has oddball now is DLC related. Maybe extraction too i really don’t know.
Agreed entirely OP. There is no reason for there to be TWO Big Team playlists at all.
All they need to do is rename Big Team Infinity Slayer to Big Team Battle, insert the Objective gametypes into there and remove Big Team Skirmish.
While we’re at it, let’s rename Infinity Slayer to Team Slayer (considering bs angel confirmed they won’t split Infinity & Pro up) and we also have that problem solved.
We had multiple gametype playlists in the past, why aren’t we doing it now?
> Agreed entirely OP. There is no reason for there to be TWO Big Team playlists at all.
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> All they need to do is rename Big Team Infinity Slayer to Big Team Battle, insert the Objective gametypes into there and remove Big Team Skirmish.
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> While we’re at it, let’s rename Infinity Slayer to Team Slayer (considering bs angel confirmed they won’t split Infinity & Pro up) and we also have that problem solved.
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> We had multiple gametype playlists in the past, why aren’t we doing it now?
Maybe a name change isn’t possible without a patch? Even if they still should merge. How they handled the playlists is really one of my only major gripes with the game.
> > Agreed entirely OP. There is no reason for there to be TWO Big Team playlists at all.
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> > All they need to do is rename Big Team Infinity Slayer to Big Team Battle, insert the Objective gametypes into there and remove Big Team Skirmish.
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> > While we’re at it, let’s rename Infinity Slayer to Team Slayer (considering bs angel confirmed they won’t split Infinity & Pro up) and we also have that problem solved.
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> > We had multiple gametype playlists in the past, why aren’t we doing it now?
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> Maybe a name change isn’t possible without a patch? Even if they still should merge. How they handled the playlists is really one of my only major gripes with the game.
They can definitely change playlist names without having to do a patch.
> > > Agreed entirely OP. There is no reason for there to be TWO Big Team playlists at all.
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> > > All they need to do is rename Big Team Infinity Slayer to Big Team Battle, insert the Objective gametypes into there and remove Big Team Skirmish.
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> > > While we’re at it, let’s rename Infinity Slayer to Team Slayer (considering bs angel confirmed they won’t split Infinity & Pro up) and we also have that problem solved.
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> > > We had multiple gametype playlists in the past, why aren’t we doing it now?
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> > Maybe a name change isn’t possible without a patch? Even if they still should merge. How they handled the playlists is really one of my only major gripes with the game.
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> They can definitely change playlist names without having to do a patch.
Well i wasn’t aware. Considering i don’t know what changes fall under UI and usually anything UI related can’t be done without a patch. I’m seriously just trying to figure out why pro is better to 343 then objective at this point. If they just wanted a slayer only playlist then that’s what team slayer is for. Making the same playlist but bigger teams only is just redundant.
> It just seems every update they do messes the game even further, why ad Pro to infinity? wy add BTB regicide or BTB KOTH?..
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> BTB should have this only:
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> Slayer
> One Flag
> Capture The Flag
> BTB heavies
> Assault
> Neutral Bomb
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> Thats it.
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> Id say territories but that gametype was never too popular to begin with.
Assault is gone so we would have to go with extraction.
Heavies is not the same Considering a lack of elephants and flaying vehicles let alone maps that would work well with flying vehicles. So I think it could be replaced with oddball. We can throw the ball around now so the bigger maps might be fun. Still waiting on a one flag variant.