I was actually wondering if there are any more plans for a more major H4 patch. There is still almost a year before H5 is probably going to release and I think that leaves plenty of time for another major gameplay patch. I think that the zero bloom patch from 343 came in Reach when there was about a year or so left until H4. Anyway, anyone know if this may happen? Either way, what kind of things would you want to see?
I, for one, have not actually played H4 in a while because there are a few things that really ruin it for me. However, if they were changed, I would probably come back because Halo 4 has really good hit detection and other things.
-Flinch removed and descope added. This is the single biggest drawback for me in H4 and it is literally too much for me to really overcome.
-No sprint
If I were to get both of these things patched into H4, I would come back. I would like for it to be a real patch though. Not like the one in Reach where the playlists are divided between evolved and standard. That just divided the community and limits the number of playlists each person can play. They should go all out like in previous Halo games.
> There’s a really easy way to get rid of flinch and sprinting! First, you open your disc tray, take out the Halo 4 disc and put Halo 3’s in!
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> Gameplay at this point is fine and does not need any more tweaking. You need to accept that this is how Halo is going to be now: Modern
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> If you want classic gameplay, play a classic game!
Hense the reason why I said that I and like 90% of the people that bought H4 have not been playing it recently. I have been playing H3 lately and definitely enjoying it, but it was not designed well for online shot registration. H4 has incredibly good shot registration, but so many other things holding it back. If gameplay is fine at this point, why are there some many people not playing the game? There must be something wrong with it. As it currently is, Halo is trying to conform to the rest of the console shooters, and that is a terrible idea because then there are so many games gunning for the same fans and experience. If Halo or some other game were to distinguish itself more and have a more unique gameplay, it would probably be more successful. I, for one, will not buy the next Halo game if I think that it has continued down this “modern” path you speak of and I can think of many others that will likely ride the game off entirely if they see that descope is not readded.
Which when you sprint you will stop suddenly for no reason. Sometimes you can run for 10 seconds straight, sometimes 3, and sometimes he will take 2 steps and stop and I cant get him to run. So frustrating.
> I wish they would patch the sprinting problem.
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> Which when you sprint you will stop suddenly for no reason. Sometimes you can run for 10 seconds straight, sometimes 3, and sometimes he will take 2 steps and stop and I cant get him to run. So frustrating.
> There’s a really easy way to get rid of flinch and sprinting! First, you open your disc tray, take out the Halo 4 disc and put Halo 3’s in!
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> Gameplay at this point is fine and does not need any more tweaking. You need to accept that this is how Halo is going to be now: Modern
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> If you want classic gameplay, play a classic game!
Your comments make me laugh! No need to be a smart %@# to the OP just because you love how the game is…because I know that’s what your implying here.
You don’t think this game needs tweaking eh… funny even 343 has admitted that they did MANY things wrong. It could use a BIG time patch but we’ll never get it because there’s no point.
Barely anyone plays this game anymore and there focusing on halo 5 (as they should) and the fact that you think Flinch is “modern” tells me and all of us here a lot about you.
> > I wish they would patch the sprinting problem.
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> > Which when you sprint you will stop suddenly for no reason. Sometimes you can run for 10 seconds straight, sometimes 3, and sometimes he will take 2 steps and stop and I cant get him to run. So frustrating.
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> Happened to me a few matches recently.
Has happened to me since day 1 :’(
was always assuming it was a glitch and would be patched…but it wasnt.
> > > I wish they would patch the sprinting problem.
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> > > Which when you sprint you will stop suddenly for no reason. Sometimes you can run for 10 seconds straight, sometimes 3, and sometimes he will take 2 steps and stop and I cant get him to run. So frustrating.
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> > Happened to me a few matches recently.
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> Has happened to me since day 1 :’(
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> was always assuming it was a glitch and would be patched…but it wasnt.
Yep, ever since it first released it happened. I thought maybe it was my controller but I have since bought 4 new ones and tested each and the problem still persisted. Even on 3 different Xboxs and all my friends that I play with had the same issue.
The only way to resolve it (its not fully resolved but it helps) was to have the Sprinting armor upgrade enabled… which makes me think that what I thought was a “glitch” was designed on purpose to make you use that armor ability.
However, Im under the belief that the armor ability exists as a way to fix the problem without a OTA update to resolve the original sprinting issue. But thats just a hunch. I only speculate this because every time it happens it feels like a glitch and not a “feature.”
> > There’s a really easy way to get rid of flinch and sprinting! First, you open your disc tray, take out the Halo 4 disc and put Halo 3’s in!
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> > Gameplay at this point is fine and does not need any more tweaking. You need to accept that this is how Halo is going to be now: Modern
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> > If you want classic gameplay, play a classic game!
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> Your comments make me laugh! No need to be a smart %@# to the OP just because you love how the game is…because I know that’s what your implying here.
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> You don’t think this game needs tweaking eh… funny even 343 has admitted that they did MANY things wrong. It could use a BIG time patch but we’ll never get it because there’s no point.
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> Barely anyone plays this game anymore and there focusing on halo 5 (as they should) and the fact that you think Flinch is “modern” tells me and all of us here a lot about you.
I understand and agree that the majority of the effort should be put towards H5 because I firmly believe that H5 will be the “make or break” game for the Halo franchise. It has to succeed. However, I think that if they put out a patch for H4 that addressed some of the main issues like the ones I listed in the OP, it would restore a TON of faith in 343. I know that when they did the bloom patch in Reach it gave many people a strong belief in 343 going into H4. The turbo update was a very small version of that, but wasn’t a strong enough message and still left many things undone. A strong patch could really show what they are looking into for H5.
Sprinting lets you reposition yourself more quickly when the need arises, allows you to reinforce your teammates more easily (there is nothing more irritating to me than seeing a teammate die because I simply could run over to help quick enough), get out of a hairy situation instead of just dying, and get to a power weapon faster when it drops, to name a few great things about it.
halo without sprinting is a large step backwards.
Flinch is a good thing.
Flinch is a much better mechanic for scoped battles than descoping. descope is highly irritating and jarring forcing players to scope back in numerous times each engagement. battles are rarely resolved at all.
> > Barely anyone plays this game anymore and there focusing on halo 5 (as they should) and the fact that you think Flinch is “modern” tells me and all of us here a lot about you.
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> No, they should not. Stop focusing/hoping halo 5 will be better then halo 4 just because it’s on a newer console. I will say as they were making it while making halo 4, I would not get my hopes up for anything exciting. Why focus on that when it is meant for a new console which costs 499 dollars, no thank you. I’m sticking with halo 4 and if that means begging for some more content, its fine, but at least it won’t cost me to pay 560 dollars for the new console and game called Halo Xbox One(i;e 5). No, not worth it, I don’t care about the console, I’m not wasting any money on what I believe to be horrible. I already heard loads of people bought the day one edition and had to return it as it would not turn on, and they get a new one. Indicating an error already.
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> Sorry, but I don’t have money to waste every 5 to 7 years to buy games I like and play on a new console when after a year or 2 a newer version of it will be out for 600 - 700 +. Only the rich seem to be able to get these nowadays. Only one way I’d pay for it for 500+ is if it can cook me a dinner, say no, yes, maybe for me and clean, bathe, be my honey for that much money.
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> OP, as attention is being focused on halo xbox one(5) I would not expect them to pay attention to us halo 4 players anymore until a year after halo 5, then I’d expect a small return to fix bug updates, look at reach activity in the threads, not very much.
> Sprint is a good thing.
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> Sprinting lets you reposition yourself more quickly when the need arises, allows you to reinforce your teammates more easily (there is nothing more irritating to me than seeing a teammate die because I simply could run over to help quick enough), get out of a hairy situation instead of just dying, and get to a power weapon faster when it drops, to name a few great things about it.
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> halo without sprinting is a large step backwards.
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> Flinch is a good thing.
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> Flinch is a much better mechanic for scoped battles than descoping. descope is highly irritating and jarring forcing players to scope back in numerous times each engagement. battles are rarely resolved at all.
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> halo without flinch is a large step backwards.
We don’t need to start this debate up again
> > > Barely anyone plays this game anymore and there focusing on halo 5 (as they should) and the fact that you think Flinch is “modern” tells me and all of us here a lot about you.
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> > No, they should not. Stop focusing/hoping halo 5 will be better then halo 4 just because it’s on a newer console. I will say as they were making it while making halo 4, I would not get my hopes up for anything exciting. Why focus on that when it is meant for a new console which costs 499 dollars, no thank you. I’m sticking with halo 4 and if that means begging for some more content, its fine, but at least it won’t cost me to pay 560 dollars for the new console and game called Halo Xbox One(i;e 5). No, not worth it, I don’t care about the console, I’m not wasting any money on what I believe to be horrible. I already heard loads of people bought the day one edition and had to return it as it would not turn on, and they get a new one. Indicating an error already.
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> > Sorry, but I don’t have money to waste every 5 to 7 years to buy games I like and play on a new console when after a year or 2 a newer version of it will be out for 600 - 700 +. Only the rich seem to be able to get these nowadays. Only one way I’d pay for it for 500+ is if it can cook me a dinner, say no, yes, maybe for me and clean, bathe, be my honey for that much money.
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> > OP, as attention is being focused on halo xbox one(5) I would not expect them to pay attention to us halo 4 players anymore until a year after halo 5, then I’d expect a small return to fix bug updates, look at reach activity in the threads, not very much.
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> I don’t think your understanding me. Ya I’d like a patch too but think about it… MS has already made all there money on halo 4 so why should they dump resources into a game that is clearly on the decline. If you were them, would you? no… the logical course is too focus on halo 5. We might not agree with it but it makes the most sense by far.
I don’t want them spending time on another big patch. The Flinch and Sprint are here to stay. Yes, they may not be Halo but they are Halo 4.
They haven’t completely forgotten about Halo 4. The fact that they fixed issues with Race even though it is only up for two weeks shows they are paying attention, and I wouldn’t be surprised there will be some needed changes in Halo 5.
> Sprint is a good thing.
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> Sprinting lets you reposition yourself more quickly when the need arises, allows you to reinforce your teammates more easily (there is nothing more irritating to me than seeing a teammate die because I simply could run over to help quick enough), get out of a hairy situation instead of just dying, and get to a power weapon faster when it drops, to name a few great things about it.
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> halo without sprinting is a large step backwards.
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> Flinch is a good thing.
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> Flinch is a much better mechanic for scoped battles than descoping. descope is highly irritating and jarring forcing players to scope back in numerous times each engagement. battles are rarely resolved at all.
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> halo without flinch is a large step backwards.
Your reasoning for liking both of these mechanics is basically that they make the game easier. Why would you purposely want a game to be easier? It is like the difference between baseball and t ball or bowling with or without those infant bumper rails. This creates something that is FAR easier to master, and that is one of the things that used to make halo great and addictive. Many people would strive to master all these different parts of the game.
Sprint results in many more confrontations not being resolved. There was a person that analyzed two pro gameplays in reach. Same gametype and map, but one had sprint and one did not. Both had a very similar amount of action and confrontations, but the one without sprint had many more confrontations actually get resolved. Being able to help your teammates is great, but how much more skill, knowledge, foresight, and teamwork does it take to be in the right place to help your teammate when you don’t have sprint as opposed to when you do.
Flinch vs descope is the difference is something that is far more player controlled against something far more random. Something that requires much more focus and skill against just barely reaiming.
I don’t think they’re going to alter major gameplay mechanics this late in the game. Halo 4 is what it is, if we do see another patch it’ll likely be for some kind of DLC cashgrab or minor bug fixes like the rest of the armor bugs in the champion pack.
Well I think with Halo 4, I mean basically they graduated Halo into a new form of first person shooters. They made it a much more actiony game. I look at Halo 3 and think, this is kinda goofy. Hit detection sucks. And honestly it’s a pretty old game by now.
And let’s be honest, the main reason Halo 4 is the best: Come on, the road trip medal. That guy is hilarious. And another reason that amazes me, having the shadow of your own head and body be cast onto your gun. That’s something I’ve never seen before.
Now my question is, why do people like getting zoomed out?
The Next halo game is NOT HALO 5.
343i Did not have nearly enough time to Create a Full Halo 5 Game for the Xbone without it being a Complete reskin of Halo 4, And from the Forums, No one wants that, So Its Likely to be set between halo 4 and “Halo 5” or a Prequel to halo 5 And Chief gets Cortana back in some way so that you have a Companion in Halo 5.
