With Halo 4 being backwards compatable on the Xbox One, I have been playing a lot of Halo 4 multiplayer. I have to admit, Halo 4 BTB is EPIC! The loadouts were a great addition to Halo. I was really disappointed that Halo 5 took a step backwards, and removed loadouts. Customizing weapons and abilities made my Spartan more unique. And why would 343i decided to remove Armour Abilities?
I love everything about Halo 4. Halo 5 initially took some getting used to, but is fun; yet nothing compares to return of Halo 4. My all time favorite Halo. Don’t get me wrong, Halo 5 can be enjoyable, but is more competitive and less relaxing.
They removed loadouts because it was straying away one of Halo’s staple signature in multiplayer and the majority of the community widely hated loadouts with a passion which I’m glad they removed.
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Maybe loadouts can have a place in multiplayer if it was an option for custom games and maybe action sack if the demand goes high enough.
I didn’t care for the loadouts in Reach or 4, but I love seeing unpopular opinions. There’s still Warzone when it comes to loadouts, but I also get what you’re saying. Back in MCC, I customized each loadout for a different play style. Came real handy when solo-ing Spartan Ops on Legendary.
I generally don’t mind loadouts (except plasma pistols maybe shouldn’t be loadout weapons), but it’s a bad idea to make them unlockable by progressing in-game. It’s pointless and frustrates newcomers. Any loadouts should be available to all players from the beginning, like the armor abilities were in Halo Reach. That’s my two cents when it comes to loadouts. But I think they were removed (at least in arena) because people wanted equal starts or something.
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> With Halo 4 being backwards compatable on the Xbox One, I have been playing a lot of Halo 4 multiplayer. I have to admit, Halo 4 BTB is EPIC! The loadouts were a great addition to Halo. I was really disappointed that Halo 5 took a step backwards, and removed loadouts. Customizing weapons and abilities made my Spartan more unique. And why would 343i decided to remove Armour Abilities?
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> I love everything about Halo 4. Halo 5 initially took some getting used to, but is fun; yet nothing compares to return of Halo 4. My all time favorite Halo. Don’t get me wrong, Halo 5 can be enjoyable, but is more competitive and less relaxing.
You clearly never played any of the classic Halos. You obviously just want Halo to be a Call of Duty clone. Halo was never meant to be a fast paced shooter with customizable weapons and sprint. If you want to play a game with load outs sprint and special abilities play Call of Duty.
I can say that the Loadout system in Halo 4 had its flaws which made it seem a bit pointless to have them. Firstly, the loadout weapons got duplicates of each other in MP which made some weapons feel nearly identical and removed a bit of the uniqueness of each weapon.
Nearly cloned weapons in Halo 4.
- Assault Rifle - Storm Rifle - Suppressor - Battle Rifle - DMR - Carbine - LightRifle - Sniper Rifle - Beam Rifle - Binary Rifle
A Loadout system could work in Halo if all weapons feel unique and different. However, that wasn’t the case in Halo 4 and these identical weapons was made probably to achieve balance in the game.
I’m in a 50/50 or this one, I agree & disagree at the same time
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> > With Halo 4 being backwards compatable on the Xbox One, I have been playing a lot of Halo 4 multiplayer. I have to admit, Halo 4 BTB is EPIC! The loadouts were a great addition to Halo. I was really disappointed that Halo 5 took a step backwards, and removed loadouts. Customizing weapons and abilities made my Spartan more unique. And why would 343i decided to remove Armour Abilities?
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> > I love everything about Halo 4. Halo 5 initially took some getting used to, but is fun; yet nothing compares to return of Halo 4. My all time favorite Halo. Don’t get me wrong, Halo 5 can be enjoyable, but is more competitive and less relaxing.
Yes, the OP enjoys having loadouts, thus he wants Halo to be a Call of Duty clone. Solid logic. Why can’t people just enjoy a feature without being hated on for it? I dislike having loadouts in Halo as well, but come on.
Loadouts eliminate the “everyone’s equal at spawn” part of Halo that most everyone expects and loves. Unless you are playing Super Fiesta of course.
I didn’t hate it, but i enjoy the equality at the start of the game
I had a love hate with Halo 4. This was my most successful Halo meaning my best stats, but I recognized for what that was attributed to. Halo lowering the skill gap, and loadouts with Spartan Abilities like Promethean Vision and Camo, as well as Ordnance Drops, were mainly to blame.
I was not sad in the least to see them go. And I hope they never return to stay in Warzone forever.
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> > With Halo 4 being backwards compatable on the Xbox One, I have been playing a lot of Halo 4 multiplayer. I have to admit, Halo 4 BTB is EPIC! The loadouts were a great addition to Halo. I was really disappointed that Halo 5 took a step backwards, and removed loadouts. Customizing weapons and abilities made my Spartan more unique. And why would 343i decided to remove Armour Abilities?
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> > I love everything about Halo 4. Halo 5 initially took some getting used to, but is fun; yet nothing compares to return of Halo 4. My all time favorite Halo. Don’t get me wrong, Halo 5 can be enjoyable, but is more competitive and less relaxing.
Actually, I have played all the Halos; Halo Reach and 4 are my favorites. I have heard the COD clone comparison before but I prefer Halo multiplayer to COD. When did COD own loadouts? Halo 4 has some elements of COD: loadouts, sprint, instant respawn, and ordinance. But it has most of the Halo elements: shields, plasma vs ballistic, vehicles, power weapons pickups, longer kill times, motion tracker, and automatics vs headshots.
Don’t tell what games to play. Halo 4 is fun to me, primarily because of BTB. How do I possibly find a Ragbarock BTB match with vehicles in COD? Who arbitrarily decides what a series is “meant” to be? If Halo 4 was the norm for 10 years, everybody would get mad at any change back to classic. My point is any game can change at any time; if they don’t, they would get boring to some people. In economics terms: the demand for Halo to get faster paced impacted the supply of faster paced games. Don’t believe me, look at Halo 5. Removed loadouts, yet feels more like COD than ever.
Loadouts were a bad addition to the game and as others have said, many didn’t like it so 343 tossed it to an extent. I don’t see why one would like them in an arena esq game anyways, it defeats the purpose of it and there’s plenty of other games with loadouts if people want it that bad.
The abilities weren’t removed either, all they did was change the name to spartan abilities from armor abilities and now everyone starts with all of them instead of one at a time, that and they removed everything but thruster.
I thincc that Loadouts are less Halo-ish, I don´t think they have a place in this game, Halo 6 needs to bee less COD and more Halo. I do think that Loadouts could be available for Custom Games. 
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> > I love everything about Halo 4. Halo 5 initially took some getting used to, but is fun; yet nothing compares to return of Halo 4. My all time favorite Halo. Don’t get me wrong, Halo 5 can be enjoyable, but is more competitive and less relaxing.
Or maybe he just liked loadouts???
Anyways in my opinion I think loadouts should be kept out of ranked playlists and be restricted to gamemodes like action sack, infection, and btb, also having loadouts in custom games opens up huge potential for forgers and game makers to make new and exciting modes.
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> > > I love everything about Halo 4. Halo 5 initially took some getting used to, but is fun; yet nothing compares to return of Halo 4. My all time favorite Halo. Don’t get me wrong, Halo 5 can be enjoyable, but is more competitive and less relaxing.
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> Yes, the OP enjoys having loadouts, thus he wants Halo to be a Call of Duty clone. Solid logic. Why can’t people just enjoy a feature without being hated on for it? I dislike having loadouts in Halo as well, but come on.
Well think about where the loadouts came from? They weren’t in halo before soo they came from another game. Which game might that be ? As soon as you start borrowing from other games you lose your identity as a unique game. He might have gotten a bit angry but I can understand where he is coming from. If Halo is going to move forward it needs to stick to its core formula and not add gimmicks
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> > > With Halo 4 being backwards compatable on the Xbox One, I have been playing a lot of Halo 4 multiplayer. I have to admit, Halo 4 BTB is EPIC! The loadouts were a great addition to Halo. I was really disappointed that Halo 5 took a step backwards, and removed loadouts. Customizing weapons and abilities made my Spartan more unique. And why would 343i decided to remove Armour Abilities?
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> > > I love everything about Halo 4. Halo 5 initially took some getting used to, but is fun; yet nothing compares to return of Halo 4. My all time favorite Halo. Don’t get me wrong, Halo 5 can be enjoyable, but is more competitive and less relaxing.
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> Yes, the OP enjoys having loadouts, thus he wants Halo to be a Call of Duty clone. Solid logic. Why can’t people just enjoy a feature without being hated on for it? I dislike having loadouts in Halo as well, but come on.
I’m not that interested in reading the argument that Halo = CoD as it states that Halo should not take any inspiration from that game whatsoever and the other way around. CoD is based around nearly the same concepts as Halo but they have taken a different approach.
A feature should not be judged on a scale how big rip off it’s to CoD and instead be judged objectively on how it affects the game. This is a feature I’m for and against at the same time.
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> > > > With Halo 4 being backwards compatable on the Xbox One, I have been playing a lot of Halo 4 multiplayer. I have to admit, Halo 4 BTB is EPIC! The loadouts were a great addition to Halo. I was really disappointed that Halo 5 took a step backwards, and removed loadouts. Customizing weapons and abilities made my Spartan more unique. And why would 343i decided to remove Armour Abilities?
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> > > > I love everything about Halo 4. Halo 5 initially took some getting used to, but is fun; yet nothing compares to return of Halo 4. My all time favorite Halo. Don’t get me wrong, Halo 5 can be enjoyable, but is more competitive and less relaxing.
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> > Yes, the OP enjoys having loadouts, thus he wants Halo to be a Call of Duty clone. Solid logic. Why can’t people just enjoy a feature without being hated on for it? I dislike having loadouts in Halo as well, but come on.
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> Well think about where the loadouts came from? They weren’t in halo before soo they came from another game. Which game might that be ? As soon as you start borrowing from other games you lose your identity as a unique game. He might have gotten a bit angry but I can understand where he is coming from. If Halo is going to move forward it needs to stick to its core formula and not add gimmicks
While it is entirely fair that one would dislike loadouts and their general association with the Call of Duty franchise, accusing someone of wanting Halo to be a CoD clone just because they like loadouts is entirely uncalled for. It’s effectively attacking the player and barely offers any constructive criticism/feedback.
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> With Halo 4 being backwards compatable on the Xbox One, I have been playing a lot of Halo 4 multiplayer. I have to admit, Halo 4 BTB is EPIC! The loadouts were a great addition to Halo. I was really disappointed that Halo 5 took a step backwards, and removed loadouts. Customizing weapons and abilities made my Spartan more unique. And why would 343i decided to remove Armour Abilities?
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> I love everything about Halo 4. Halo 5 initially took some getting used to, but is fun; yet nothing compares to return of Halo 4. My all time favorite Halo. Don’t get me wrong, Halo 5 can be enjoyable, but is more competitive and less relaxing.
Removing Loadouts was done for a reason, and a lot of people didn’t like it.
For the COD clone comparison thing, no they aren’t the ones who own Loadouts, but it shows that Halo 4 was a desperate attempt to capture the CoD crowd, and half the population left when a real Call of Duty game came out.
But back to Loadouts (and Armor Abilities), Allowing anyone to start with something different brings individual firefights down to chance.Why? Because There is no predicting something you cannot control and someone else has full control of.In Halo Reach, if I went up against the player, I cannot predict whether he has Sprint, Armor Lock, Hologram, Jetpack, Camo, etc. Those are 5+ different situations I have to worry about and there are no factors I can even rule out. It’s all determined by “Which one did he press A on before spawning?” From my perspective it’s just little more than RNG. Sure, I can pick an Armor ability to counter his armor ability after I died, but then he can pick an armor ability to counter my armor ability after he dies. It’s not equal, just two people switching off advantages and disadvantages all day.
In Halo 4, this increases exponentially. Now every time I encounter someone, I have to predict:
- Which Primary Weapon did he choose to spawn with? - Which Secondary Weapon did he choose to spawn with? - Which Grenade did he choose to spawn with? - Which Armor Ability did he choose to spawn with? - Which 2 perks did he choose to spawn with?The battle literally comes down to “Who spawned what” like we’re playing a giant game of Fiesta. It’s not purely a test of skill, it involves him spawning the right thing while I spawned the wrong thing.
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> > > > > With Halo 4 being backwards compatable on the Xbox One, I have been playing a lot of Halo 4 multiplayer. I have to admit, Halo 4 BTB is EPIC! The loadouts were a great addition to Halo. I was really disappointed that Halo 5 took a step backwards, and removed loadouts. Customizing weapons and abilities made my Spartan more unique. And why would 343i decided to remove Armour Abilities?
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> > > > > I love everything about Halo 4. Halo 5 initially took some getting used to, but is fun; yet nothing compares to return of Halo 4. My all time favorite Halo. Don’t get me wrong, Halo 5 can be enjoyable, but is more competitive and less relaxing.
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> > > Yes, the OP enjoys having loadouts, thus he wants Halo to be a Call of Duty clone. Solid logic. Why can’t people just enjoy a feature without being hated on for it? I dislike having loadouts in Halo as well, but come on.
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> > Well think about where the loadouts came from? They weren’t in halo before soo they came from another game. Which game might that be ? As soon as you start borrowing from other games you lose your identity as a unique game. He might have gotten a bit angry but I can understand where he is coming from. If Halo is going to move forward it needs to stick to its core formula and not add gimmicks
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> While it is entirely fair that one would dislike loadouts and their general association with the Call of Duty franchise, accusing someone of wanting Halo to be a CoD clone just because they like loadouts is entirely uncalled for. It’s effectively attacking the player and barely offers any constructive criticism/feedback.
Yea it is uncalled for but you are missing the point here. I don’t condone his delivery of the message but there is some truth to what he says. I wouldn’t choose to attack someone based on their views but you can tell he’s passionate. The point is that halo needs to separate itself from other games. It got popular because it was unique not because it started borrowing mechanics. It seems a lot of people are enjoying the halo 3 playlist soo maybe this will give 343 a hint
Loadouts weren’t the worse thing in the world, but I would much rather have equal starts. I think the perks and random ordinance were the worst since that was literally a guessing game and random which should never be in a competitive game.