This is so undeniably FACTS!
Itâs a simulation in the sense that itâs a training arena, not that literally every aspect of it is 100% digital. SPARTAN-IVs have about as much control over what other people wear in the sim as anyone playing airsoft or paintball does over the people theyâre playing with.
The tone was broken for most people the second they heard âI thought youâd be tallerâ a literal decade ago. Cat Ears are par-for-the-course at this point.
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I have lots of people on my friends list that played Halo. I know for a fact that 11 of them arenât playing Halo Infinite at all because they hate all the âsillinessâ I guess you would call it, armor wise⌠If there was a toggle I know they would be playing the game right now.
So it goes both ways.
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Ok, but thatâs incredibly lopsided. Your 11 friends versus literal piles of cash money. Who do you think wins between those two?
The point is, if I have 11 friends right now that I know of that arenât playing because of this, Theyâre probably is a lot of other people that have friends that also arenât playing because of this as well. These people arenât playing the game at all which means they will definitely never buy anything like a battle pass, campaign DLC, anything⌠If I was Microsoft / 343I I would be concerned about that because I want the most players playing all the time.
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I would guess in the short term the piles of cash, in the long term those of us leaving will hurt more than the cash helped.
Again no one is playing the game because it has cat ears but people are leaving due to them (not them exclusively but still). Thatâs why i argue for a toggle. In no way would anyone wearing the armors even know unless they have some need for everyone to acknowledge their armor and ask everyone they play with if they can see their armor. No one would do that even with a toggle.
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I hate to say this but if you are leaving over something like this then your loyalty was incredibly fickle to begin with.
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Again, i played Halo for the tone and style it has had. Even when the style was changed by 343 the tone was basically the same. Only now after 343 promised a return to norm do we have this drastic shift in tone. Sure physically they are small but Ideologically they are a massive shift.
Those not willing to play a game unless they can force others to see them is sad. Will those same people never play the new mode 343 talked about? One team is always invisible so i wonât be able to see the armor pieces they bought.
Ive bought ever single Halo game except for Spartan Strike and the arcade cabinet one as i have no way to play them. I would say my loyalty is not in question. But why stay loyal if 343 is metaphorically telling me âscrew off this game isnât for you anymoreâ? Last time, they can make whatever they want but they have no right to any players time or money no matter what they make. They are selling a product and if we say you are changing it into something we donât like they can either listen or not.
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Itâs an attempt at trying to control the preferences of other people. You donât have to buy or equip any armor piece on your spartan that you donât like. But we kinda have to let other people do them. Especially when they are paying for it, and that money directly supports the game for everybody.
A big part of the move to F2P was to attract a larger player base to a stale series (based on the numbers). So adhering too much to the way die hard/old school fans *think it should be, might not be the best move to expand the game.
And itâs not sad. That is just your erroneous opinion, that is wrong. Ask anyone who plays RPGs or really ANY online game that has customizable characters. No one pays money to customize to end up looking like a generic spartan after they just won a Last Spartan Standing for example. They want you to not only see who beat you but, to have that image burned into your brain haha.
You have a couple of friends that would spend a few bucks here and there vsâs a couple of mine that dropped 100-200 dollars already because they want to show off. One of that I just talked too has purchased roughly like 500 dollars because heâs loaded, go figure. All of which would drop the store if put in this toggle.
You see, people that want to show off will general spend more. I canât see people who canât stand simple cat ears spending nearly as much as my friends. Youâll probably need several hundred friends on your list to even come close to that of which is on mine.
Money speaks louder to business in this day and age, an unfortunate truth.
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This is the issue, no one wanted FTP and people said so ehen they first announced it. Look at Elden Ring, From doubled down on everything that made their games great and it sold like crazy. Thats what people wanted out of Infinite and what 343 quasi promised by saying we were getting a return to form. Now they pulled the rug out from under us.
And i donât have to spend money nor stick around if i donât want to.
^^^^This is the key here. The toggle suggestion is just giving 343 a heads up on what customers want. If they donât listen we leave, its as simple as that. Why play a game that doesnât appeal to you?
Also not everything they bought would be blocked by a toggle. Most of the stuff in game fits the Halo tone and style. Only a few things donât so they would most likely be fine.
Also this proves my point. The people who like this stuff have vain reasons for doing so. Its not about looking how they want to its about looking as shocking as possible to other players. Every FTP game that does a store like this eventually becomes unrecognizable because the only way for armor to stand out is to become more and more shocking, i donât want that to happen to Halo.
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I canât say I agree with you on that. The look of the game means a lot to a lot of people. Myself and quite a few my friends all started with Halo CE (Yes we are older lol) I would say there was a boat eight of us that were pretty hardcore with it. Iâm talking we own games special editions t-shirts things like this all Halo related. Two of my friends right now are not playing Infinite because in their words "Theyâre tired of the fortnight silliness⌠Yes they obviously have issues with other things like we all do, no doubt!! but itâs things like this that throw a person (In this case with me it was two of my friends)over the edge and just say âYeah Iâm done with this nowâ where is if they had a tongle they would most definitely would still be playing. Yes theyâre tired of the other issues but at least here they would say âwell I can turn this off garbage off at leastâŚâ
Who knows, maybe this has a huge trickle effect on my friends and maybe they just lose interest in Halo all together because of it and donât buy anything, I donât know⌠Sometimes things are funny that way how something can set someone off. Maybe if the game launched in a much better shape and was in a much better place when all the âsilly armorsâ and such came in, Maybe they wouldnât care as much, I donât know⌠But because it didnât this stuff was kind of like the last straw for them I guess. They felt like they care more about this stuff than they do making a complete game or whatever. You know what I mean.
I donât know, I just think to me anything that makes more people playing your game Microsoftâs/343 should want and should do Because in case they havenât noticed, their franchise game is dropping like a stone in water (obviously Iâm not saying itâs dropping because of this alone, We all know thereâs piles of issues with the game)
So anyway that they can retain players, I would be doing it in a flash! Because itâs not going to get easier when the new cod comes out and the new Overwatch.
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Itâs more of the idea that at any given time, something they bought could suddenly be restricted because someone had a hissy fit over it. None of the items purchased ever advertised that âat any given time, we could becoming togglable/disabled so people wonât have to look at themâ.
This is why they would drop the store, and 343i would lose 
tons of cash.
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This is exactly it right here.
And @General_Fox its not a fit. This is a free market transaction. As consumers we say make the product we want or we walk and you get no money. If they think we arenât worth it they wonât cater to us. The least we can do is say hey this is what we want so they can decide if they want to try to keep us around.
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To be fair, they did state that they were fully embracing the games as a service model for the first time with Halo Infinite thus making it free to play. AKA free for non-Halo fans to take for spin. Business decisions such as that, are not up to the player base.
Oh I definitely can see your point 100%. And In the short term you are most likely right. They would make more money by doing that⌠but long-term like I said in the other post this might permanently damage (along with all the other issues with the game obviously) brand loyalty and they may never come back, which in the long run you would lose more money as you want repeat business. Repeat business is the key to long-term business success as anyone that runs a business knows.
We might just have to focus on other ways of doing that because honing in on their main source of revenue is probably never going to happen. Donât think those on the business side would ever sign off on it. Halo Infinite is after all an investment.
Difference is the future is unpredictable and they donât know how well itâll retain players. But the people who spend here and now is garunteeâd cash. IF they drop all the spenders and it doesnât retain players then they just loose all around.
People spending larges sums of money now is garunteeâd income.
Other side of the aisle, there are older fans like me who enjoy the lightheartedness, the âsillinessâ, and the cameo references everywhere molded to a Halo theme. Seeing someone suited up like a Gundam? Cool - makes them easy to call out in the middle of battle. I canât tell you how amused I was to see Meowlnir as an AI bot.
Sure, some of it I have no interest in (Daisy-023âs canonical bear keychain), but you know what I do? I donât wear it. My Spartan is my experience, and how I view the game. What place is it of mine, or anyoneâs, to say how others must enjoy theirs? And thatâs exactly what this whole âtoggleâ notion does. It sets an expectation and precedent for the âRealâ experience based on your views that arenât going to be shared by everyone.