What initially triggered your interest in asking people what you’re wearing though?
What was the catalyst?
I’ve had people ask about stuff I was wearing and pretty consistently right, but never in the capacity you’re suggesting. It’s just a little weird you’re experiencing this if I’m being honest. At the same time desync is not a hypothetical “toggle” issue.
No, nor did I suggest we did. I think you misread or misinterpreted my post.
@Freak_A_Fan showing me once again you don’t know what bait actually is
This is ridicules and did not need another thread. You could have easily added this to the last post you, or the others, made.
This analogy sucks. You are basically saying you’re a karen at a party. You don’t care that the Host is OK with people wearing what they want. In fact you want to take over the party because the Host provides clothes, that you don’t like, to other guests.
Big of you to think there will be more games.
OK if you get that this is not a top priority, then stop making so many posts about it. Because the rate that the same 2/3 people make these posts doesn’t make it sound like you don’t treat this as a top priority. It just make it sound like it’s the only thing on your mind.
Listening to someone use offensive or racist language or singing or having a conversation with someone in their house or hearing the game through their TV is far, far worse to me than seeing their spartan with cat ears.
If they put a cosmetic toggle in the game people will be less likely to purchase cosmetics to show off. Therefore, because it hurts sales, it’s not gonna happen
I think people need to let this toggle thing go. I don’t ever recall people demanding one in halo 3, even though most people ran around looking like some ninja gaiden character.
To be clear, I’m happy for a toggle to be introduced, it wouldn’t bother me, I just don’t see it happening.
Ugh, Loki’s b***s, this issue again? This is why that stupid toggle should have never been done.
It’s easy to filter “Mods added to the core game” for Halo titles in the MCC. Not as easy (I imagine) for elements that are in the core game. Ah, but the line is the “Base Aesthetic”, eh? And who decides that? The cat ears, pineapple Frag grenades, Ace of Spades card, Daisy-023’s bear charm - those are all within the Aesthetic of Halo Infinite.
Is this extending to emblems, too? If you see someone running around with a “Clippy” emblem on their armor, is that immersion breaking? Which emblems are canonically safe and which aren’t? How do you canonically regulate art? And what about emblems on weapons and vehicles?
Or coatings! The fact that serious Spartan supersoldiers would paint their armor, weapons, and vehicles in vibrant colors! If you see someone using Canon Approved armors and a coating in such a way that they look like an Imperial Stormtrooper or a Gundam, does that break immersion too?
Just to be on the safe side, we’d better just limit everything to base Mk VII [GEN3] armor. Just the core, no attachments, Mk VIII helmet. Olive Drab coating only.
This is because Hayabusa fit the Halo tone. It was not “cute”. Things can be done in the Halo art Style that don’t fit the tone of the game. At this rate we will probably get tails and wings one day and who knows what else and Halo will be unrecognizable.
All of what i just said. They fit the Art Style but not tone.
Again its a tone issue.
And soldiers used to dress in bright colors so on the battlefield you could tell who was on your side. Only in recent history did soldiers stop doing that. If you notice normal soldiers in Halo don’t do this. Its because they can’t because they would die. Spartans, along with being human tanks, would also be a huge moral boost for humans and scare the enemies. So bright colors make sense, or at least don’t not make sense.
In the games at least you are hardly ever doing stealth. This plays right into it because even when you do have a stealth mission you are with June, who is in a drab camouflaged armor, or are Master Chief where you also have drab colored armor.
Either way the main tone of Halo is you are a 1 man army and your character is always confident and competent so colors don’t matter too much.
Its not saying no one would see it nor that every item you buy would behind the toggle. Also you would never know. Not only this but i do believe these items will either not be in Halo in 1 to 2 more games, just like the H4 and H5 art style (because they didn’t fit the same way), or 343 is willing to turn Halo into Fortnite where its just 1 super goofy skin after another with colabs and all that and then they basically tell all the people who fell in love with the Halo art direction to screw off. A toggle lets both parties exist peacefully.
I have heard reports they had to put a freeze on hiring because they aren’t making money so, if true, it seems the store is not even doing its job anyway.
What if in their mind the spartan is a singing Spartan? You just took away their ability for their spartan to express his/her self with a mute. The same way that people annoy others with their voice is what happens with some of these armors. It is distracting and neither the singing spartan nor the cat and bunny ears or fallout power armor (eagle strike core) really fit the tone of Halo. So yes an armor toggle is exactly like the mute function.
This analogy is perfect. Why are you even coming to the party if you don’t want to engage with the premise of the party? Is it perhaps a little narcissism to want to stand out, but not just stand out in the theme of the party, but to stand out so much that you know you look out of place and the outfit doesn’t belong nor match 99% of the other people at the party? It is basically the same thing as someone screaming “Look at me, I am different!” at the top of their lungs through the mic.
Also this party has been happening for nearly 20 years without the host allowing the tone to be shifted like this. Only recently did they allow it knowing it would detract from the experience for many guests. Previously they allowed for a toggle (MCC) but now don’t have one so we request one now.
Somehow Bungie made 5 Halo games all with a similar tone. 343 should be able to do this easily.
After Halo 4 i realized 343 does not respect the Halo legacy. They changed things that didn’t need changing. Same in Halo 5. It took them 2 games to learn their lesson on the Halo Art style. Infinite promised a return to form and that was a huge selling point for many players. Now they don’t care again as they have no respect for the tone Halo has always had, even in H4 and H5. So i honestly doubt we get a toggle this game but if we don’t i would hope in a game or 2 these items are no longer around so that Halo’s tone can return.
Say what you want but in no way did adding cat and bunny ears help Halo. Sure they probably made a few bucks off of it (can not be that much as at most i see someone with them every 20 or so games) but not a single person is playing Halo because of those things. People have left before over the art style (why else return to the classic Halo art style after making 2 games without it) so i would bet big money people are leaving over this too. A toggle saves those players and allows the people who like them to keep them.
I for one won’t tolerate too much more cuteness or just obsurd stuff because i want to play a modern Halo. Not some game where eventually everone left is just is trying to out do each other in how flamboyant their armor can be.
Again clearly enough people left before over a similar issue for 343 to change course so i would argue in the long run it is actually hurting the game more than helping.
343 does. All kill effects, cat ears, holographics ect already are categorised by their manufacturer. Fotus. Similarly to how HCS and various charms/skins are 343 Industries manufactured. So who decides it is just 343, themselves.
All a toggle needs to touch is fractures and those two manufacturers.
It’s all categorised WITH the kill effects and other holographics like floating halos or Mohawks. It’s not down to just aesthetic, but what tonally fits Halos fiction.
Which is obvious, and it’s already categorised by the devs themselves.
I see no reason for a toggle to effect nameplates or emblems.
As I explained, 343 already have by categorisation through manufacturers. And it’s just common sense.
Anything that 343 decides would be on either side of the toggle I’d gladly accept. Coatings barely have 343 Industry or Fotus manufactured stuff, I think the only coating that is Fotus is the awful looking meringue coating.
Nah, just follow 343s own logic. The devs very own categorisation supports the separation of canon and non-canon cosmetics.
A toggle should:
Disable all FOTUS/343 Industry manufacturered cosmetics
Disable Fracture armour cores (With the exception of cross-core coatings/visors)
Also just to note on a post i made about how to help make playing with a controller feel better it took me roughly 3260 views to get 10 likes. At 130 this post already has 5 so the desire for a toggle is pretty dang high and is not some fringe group or people.
You must not go to too many parties. There is normally no strict dress code, even for themed parties. The whole point is to socialize with people. Similar to games, the cosmetics are not why people are there.
But let’s keep going with this bad party analogy. The host is selling cloths in this party. People decide to buy and wear those cloths. Now you, who is not the host, want to force those people to dress how you dressed because you don’t like the cloths they are wearing.
This is a odd make believe party.
More like 9 years and then they released reach and said “wear what you want.”
You mean the toggle that kept silly and non-cannon armor and armor effects? All this toggles does is remove the armor that was not originally released with the games in MCC. Halo infinite is not a rerelease, it’s its own game. That same toggle would not effect much.
You get too hyped over small amount of numbers. 5 likes like don’t mean anything. Especially when there is a small group of people here who always jump on and support this topic no matter how many times it is posted. Anyone of these posts get about 30 likes and stays there. If you think 30 likes out of 1000 views is not fringed than IDK what to say.
Reach still had the same tone as CE-3 and the art style is very similar as well.
While yes it does only remove armors that were not originally there that is not the only thing it is doing. It is removing armors that don’t share the same tone the original games had. For example some armors added to H3 look like Destiny Iron Banner armors and not Halo armors. The toggle is specifically letting people keep the tone of Halo consistent. Also people pay for MCC so your arguments would say it is not fair to have that toggle. MCC is not the games in their original state. It is a remaster with live service elements so again why not allow the armors all the time. It is to preserve the tone of Halo.
So is there a single thing 343 could add you would say doesn’t belong? How about a literal Barbie skin, or a COD zombie, what about wings and tails? Maybe a cell shaded spartan or an iron man skin?
Specifically where do you draw the line? If it is not stuff that goes against Halo’s tone then what is it or for you is anything and everything okay?
You are acting like nothing is deserving of criticism just because 343 sells it. No one said people can’t wear the items, in this magical party we have ways to just make whomever is wearing those items look like they belong with the theme of the party. Unless he or she is a narcissist and continually asks every player “Hey can you see what i have? Aren’t you impressed i spent money on this specific item?” then they would never know I or anyone else can not see whatever armor piece they have on that doesn’t fit Halo’s tone.
Again 343 already had to change course once regarding Halo’s art so why do you suspect they won’t this time? There are so few people wearing anything that would be toggled off why are we catering only to them? A toggle in no way hurts them unless they get satisfaction from knowing they hurt the experience for others.
My line is the gameplay. When a game is as broken as this, I find it extremally hard to care about cosmetics because the cosmetics are not the thing that take me out of the experience. Cosmetically the only thing I would want to turn off are the flashes and frame drops caused by kill effects because they effect the gameplay. If those get patched out from Kill Effects to not effect the gameplay, then I’d would not have an issue with cosmetics at all.
EDIT: I stopped caring when the Fish Bowel helmet (eva) got added to Halo 3.
Not the same thing. Halo MCC became a live service after they added Reach. It was originally sold as “play the games the way they originally released.” The toggle was added years after it’s launch so these games can stay the way that they originally released. Like the Anniversary toggle in campaign, the MP toggle is there to separate the old and new assets. This toggle in MCC turns of cannon and tonally consistent armor like SPI too, not just the Iron Banner looking stuff.
Infinite and MCC are not equal comparisons in this.
Two sides of the same coin. You are also acting like a narcissist by demanding a special bubble just so you don’t see cosmetics you do not like. Especially since you your self said that there only a few people that are wearing things you do not like.
If that number is so low, than you are blowing up the severity of this issue. Also they are not the only ones being catered to because there are far more cannon and in tone pieces of armor than non-cannon and dumb looking ones. Both sides are catered to in this respect.
I agree. And if you notice, I disagree against the hardliners on the other side of this debate too. Ultimately i don’t care about cosmetics and I’m all for a toggle. I’m just questioning and arguing with people about their reasons for/against it.
Okay fair. I will say i do love the gameplay of Halo Infinite. Outside of wanting co op, forge, and good custom games there is only one issue i care a lot about and that is giving us armors to unlock outside of a pass or the store. Like H3 Hayabusa and Recon and H5 Helioskrill. Give us an armor to show our skill off. I only debate why we should have a toggle and i don’t back down from an argument no matter how small unless proven factually wrong.
In this case i would argue there is good reason to add a toggle eventually for all the reasons i and others have given. Is it top of my list no of course not but again i will give arguments for my side if possible.
I remember back in the early days of Destiny-era B.Net finding a forum post from some dude saying adding playable Elites made it harder for him to tell the red team from the blue team. To this day, I’m still not sure if that was a genuine gripe or just some bizarre, cynical sh*tpost.
While I recognize that your complaint is entirely different, I would be lying if I said I wasn’t picking up the same vibe here. Especially in light of, like, all the ACTUAL things wrong with this game.
Multiplayer is just a simulation, and based on the conduct of various SPARTAN-IVs, adding cat ears to their helmet or painting grenades to look like pineapples seems perfectly in-universe and non-immersion breaking.
The entire concept of a toggle that removes cosmetics that people bought (specifically to change how their character looks in an online multiplayer game) is 100% ridiculous.
The idea that 343 would make cosmetics that are counter to Halo’s tone that it has had for 20 years is ridiculous. We aren’t saying take them away just let us preserve the tone that sold many of us on Halo.
Also people paid for MCC. Now those people going in might specifically want the items hidden by that toggle. The toggle there is specifically designed to preserve the tone of Halo. Thats all we want in Infinite.
Many of us were willing to pay full price for a Halo game to avoid this. The slipping of the tone of a game into oblivion where anything and everything is allowed. Each armor will eventually become crazier and crazier just to try to stick out to potential buyers. It happens in almost every live service game. Warzone is a great example. We simply ask that 343 lets us preserve the Halo tone that has been around since CE.
Also 343 had to reverse course once before when messing with the Halo art style so what makes you think this experience will be any difference? People have clearly cared enough to leave before, enough of them for 343 to go back to the classic Halo art style. The same thing will mostly likely happen again unless a toggle is made so both can coexist: whatever craziness 343 wants to make, and the classic Halo tone armors. You would have no idea it is on.
Saying people paid for it is meaningless. I paid for an xbox, xbox live, a mic, and in previous titles, the Halo game. There was still a mute function. An armor/cosmetic toggle is the same thing now.
Ill ask you the same question i ask everyone. How far are you willing to see the Halo style and tone changed? Is anything too crazy and if not then 343 will lose the loyalty of fans who came in expecting a certain tone from the game. This is not some new IP, Halo is a franchise and somehow has had the same Tone for all of the games until now.
No one, not a single person, is playing Halo because they can wear cat or bunny ears. But clearly people have left in the past over the Halo art style being messed with (again because 343 brought the classic style back) so we have reason to suspect that these items actually do more harm than good for Halo. If you really cared about people who like them you would argue for a toggle so that in a game or 2 they are still around, unlike the H4 and H5 art style.
Put this much effort into something that actually has a chance of happening. Or something that will actually make the game measurably better.
Your feedback has been hammered over and over by now. No reason to be endlessly defending it ad nauseam like it’s the most important thing the game needs right now. Because I’ll tell you, it’s not. Not even a little bit. A negative amount actually.
All the other problems are so obvious we don’t have to worry about them getting fixed. Would you rather me be the billionth person to complain about desync or do you prefer to hear the endless wails about how the game is not complete and we need forge and co op and new maps, modes etc. now?
And this one will be fixed whether in this game or in a couple. There is a precedence for something very similar whether it be the addition of a toggle in MCC or the complete abandonment of the H4 and H5 art style.
The only question is do they abandon these cosmetics in a game or 2 or do they stick around thanks to a cosmetic toggle saving them?
I would prefer a toggle as it would be faster and not take away cosmetics a few people like. Arguing against it serves no one. Again no one said move this to the top of the priority list but it should be on the list nonetheless.