I love threads like these. I wish everyone could only play as Master Chief, just like the Campaign. Then nobody could complain about cosmetics or a lack of content or unfairness. Everyone would just be Master Chief, with 10 color options, like Halo CE. Return to form. Back to the roots. This way, 343 wouldn’t focus on a shop. They would only focus on making gameplay content. There should be no cosmetics at all.
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Today in walls of texts…
Like I said, the cosmetics in a sci-fi military arena shooter do not affect your experience with the game. Doom 2016 and Eternal have much worse cosmetics, but it doesn’t affect the Doom’s community, I mean you can literally play in a hot dog costume in those games so.
You… literally have no authority to make this claim. You’re not the person you’re addressing. You don’t know how much it irritates them when they see a spartan wearing bunny ears or cat ears. You’re stating your opinion as fact. If everybody was cgi easter bunny clones down to the pink fluffy fur, that would still be acceptable by this reasoning.
Like I already said, cosmetics do not affect your gameplay experience in a video game. If you stop playing because of that, that’s on you and no one else.
You saying something repeatedly doesn’t make it true.
Most people don’t care, just like most people didn’t care with the Battlefield, COD, Halo, Overwatch, Fortnite, and many other video games or franchises. Just because you care about small tiny cosmetics you rarely see doesn’t mean everyone else does.
This thread literally exists because people care.
Then they can leave, simple. If your gameplay experience is affected by a tiny cosmetic, then you probably didn’t enjoy the game at all in the 1st place or you’re just here to complain for the sake of complaining.
This is literally just you telling people if they don’t like it, leave. The purpose of a forum, especially a feedback forum, is feedback on which features are liked and disliked.
But it wasn’t back tracked on? What are you talking about?
I’m guessing you mean ‘it wasn’t backtracked on.’ Yes it was. Look up halo 4 and 5 vs infinite cosmetic differences, especially with spartans and sangheili. This isn’t even debateable; they literally had to roll it back.
Just add it in as a cosmetic someone can equip and use for themselves,
That’s what we would like to do. Allow you to use cosmetics for yourself. Not for us.
Then those people can leave and the majority of the population can stay, keep playing, and enjoy it. Again, I see no issues here.
Of course you don’t. People with opinions counter to yours are inferior subhumans whose opinions and tastes don’t affect the game experience.
So stop denying objective truth, because you do it a lot.
Kettle, Pot. Pot, Kettle.
Then…do it?
There’s a song by brittany spears you might enjoy. Came out in 2003.
You aren’t getting a toggle anytime soon.
Then why bother replying on this board? If you’re not afraid someone will see it and think it’s a good idea, then you’re just complaining about people complaining. What’s your end goal? Gripe at people online for liking things you don’t and disliking things you do? You seriously would rather stop playing halo infinite because you can’t force people to look at the cosmetics you spent money on? Why?
So we have no idea if Infinite has even made money yet and if it has how much came from cosmetics.
There are currently no articles to support the idea that halo infinite has turned a profit, and quite a few that indicate it might not be true. Anything we assume here is total supposition, though.
The cosmetics might be profitable, eventually- but right now, they’re still playing catchup. And I don’t think we’re going to get to the 500 million dollar mark on cosmetics, especially not in a timely manner. But I could be wrong.
Right now, we simply don’t have the data. All we know is, like you said, it’s not meeting expectations. But we don’t know how high or low those expectations are, or at what rate those expectations are supposed to be met. All we know is, microsoft says it isn’t cutting it. That’s bad, but we can’t tell how bad.
Microsoft might be making expectations according to the criteria you laid out, but again, we don’t know- that’s supposition. Induction at best. Any figures or data you can provide would be incredibly helpful for getting to the bottom of the situation.
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No it isnt. Even 343i, the makers of that trash, washed their hands of it and pretend that this -Yoink!- did not happen.
Uh yea, it is.
Halo 5 is Halo, that is objective fact.
Why are you denying objective facts?
343i didn’t do that at all?
Today in more walls of text…
I do, it’s a sci-fi military shooter with sci-fi futuristic elements. Your experience is not affected by cosmetics. That’s just the facts.
This doesn’t change anything about what I said.
Sounds like a personal issue, if a in-game cosmetic affects them that much, I think it’s time they drop video games as a whole.
The point is it’s objective fact. It’s already the fact, I’m just re-addressing it to make sure it’s still in anyones head who reads the comment that it is indeed…a fact.
Notice how I said most people don’t care, and as you can see, most people in this comment section are straight up saying they don’t care at all.
That’s not trolling at all. That’s valid criticism for people who say they’ll quit the game over tiny meaningless cosmetics. Like I fully understand if you hate the gameplay, the weapon balance, the maps, the map design, the UI, the lack of game types, the lack of playlist, the awful fileshare system, delays upon delays, but…Cosmetics? No just, no dude.
That proves it wasn’t back tracked on, especially not 100%. What are you talking about?
You can do that right now though, just boot up the game and check. Oh and you can see other players cosmetics to, and they can see yours. No, you can’t turn it off, why would you want to turn off the ability to see your own cosmetics and the players you’re fighting against? Doesn’t make any sense.
That’s not correct at all, sorry what? What’s with the sudden aggressiveness?
Rest of the comment is pretty boring to read. All we know for sure is the game is profitable, because if it wasn’t, the game wouldn’t be up right now, and MS wouldn’t of waited a year to start making changes.
This is wrong. I am not sure how you can try to argue this point. Saying casmetics don’t affect gameplay is ridiculous. If i had a cosmetic that was a literal Barbie wig that my spartan had on that would absolutely be a massive break in immersion.
It might have no affect of the physical gameplay but it definitely has an affect on the experience as a whole. You are trying to separate graphics from gameplay and that is just not possible.
The graphics/art style/tone are what makes up 50% of the gaming experience. The other 50% is gameplay.
Also if your best argument against a cosmetic toggle is that cosmetics don’t affect gameplay then you can’t actually be against a toggle.
If a cosmetic existing is of no consequence then one not existing isn’t either meaning a toggle is harmless. And it actually is harmless to those who choose not to put it on as it doesn’t affect their experience at all and would only enhance others experiences.
We actually don’t know this. They have not come out and said how much the game cost to make vs how much they have made. And no if the game was yet to be profitable it would not be taken down. 343 has a ton of content such as forge and co op that are seemingly close to being out. The goal of a FTP game is not to be immediately profitable as you can instantly have a ton of players since there is no price barrier to entry but you won’t be profitable for awhile if ever unless people spend money. Until they tell us they have made money your are just guessing.
Reminds me of the people who debate graphics vs gameplay in which is more important for games. 
I guess to some people visual can be important, but it definitely doesn’t apply to everyone.
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I would agree here, the percentage that graphics and such affect any single person’s experience may be differ but to say they don’t matter at all like some people say is ridiculous.
For example there are tons of videos explaining how the Halo CE Aniversay is not faithful to the original game’s tone and how it feels completely different at certain parts.
You can call a rock a duck all you want, does not change the fact that a rock does not look, sound or play like a duck.
Did you play infinites campaign? 343i straight up said, "Halo 5? Never happened. Here, watch us delete everything we introduced in that mistake… Off-screen.
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Also, even at a loss. MS can take the hit.
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Man let this topic die, it so poorly represents reasonable arguments for or against. lol
Your experience is not affected by other people seeing your cosmetics. Lol.
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Alright, I’m willing to let this topic die, IF, and only IF,
You can provide me what you think are quality representations of the arguments for and against it.
The issue with the toggle is that nobody has made any cohesive collaborative argument about what should be included within a toggle, it’s all heavily opinionated.<
Why’s it heavily opinionated? Just make people be default spartan locally when they have this ticked. Don’t see how that’s hard to decide.
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But why can’t they though? It’s not like the people who have the customizations are gonna know who has them toggled off on their end. It’s literally a local setting only, like playing with low graphics.
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Well allow me to answer your question with your own response:
Your opinion differs greatly from the equally diverse range of opinions expressed by others in this thread alone. Some people would agree/disagree with some minor/major additions/subtractions to your proposal or outright refuse it altogether, and that’s the issue.
There needs to be some level of cohesive consensus among the fanbase even if not everyone is going to agree entirely.
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Not at all.
One is an option to stop people being actively disruptive to the gameplay experience.
The other is an option to force people to fit an antiquated or erroneous notion that a select few’s concept of what looks like halo is right.
Denying someone who paid to be seen in a way they wish is a total affront to the core concept of customisation in halo.
The same as saying a toggle to not see elites in legacy titles is a good idea.
Entirely antisocial thinking placed on a franchise whose success is largely derived from its strides in socially orientated design choices.
Explicitly the opposite intent of mute being intended to counter antisocial behaviour in game.
Not to mention a complete undermining of an already anti consumer mtx system that further removes value from players purchases.
Halo has always been silly and artistically inconsistent.
Yes we have preferences.
And we can display them in how we represent our spartans in game.
Show people basic respect in allowing them to display themselves as they see fit as you do so yourself.
Ninja swords, flaming heads, skulls and fart clouds are all totally lame but they are part of halo yet people who rocked them all in the day seem bizarrely offended by cat ears.
Its so strange people want to censor other peoples stylistic choices.
If there had to be a toggle, (there doesnt have to be), it should make everyone that bland grey bar code shell zoidberg’s planet express insurance covers once he shed his skin why not.
Or just craigs haha.
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See the argument that just because people paid for something means i am forced to see it is crazy. Gaming is not about forcing other people to see you so you can get some gratification, especially not when 0 skill was involved in getting said armors.
The same could be said of a mic. People paid to use it, likely far more than any cosmetic, so being able to mute them in that case is anticonsumer based on your standards. What if how they want to “express themselves” as a spartan is a singing spartan? They sing constantly all game. You being able to mute them is negating the purchase of a mic and their self expression.
Your argument that people really only get joy based off of other people acknowledging them by being forced to see their armors no matter how much they break the tone of Halo shows how sad society is right now. Halo was not some game where fashion of any kind has been advertised. It has had a generally consistent art direction/tone and to suggest otherwise is just false. Sure it might of had silly stuff but outside of the hearts in Reach it never had anything “cute”. It is a drastic tonal shift to keep adding these items. This is a divergence from the Halo norm and people saying that now anything should go no matter how crazy the cosmetic never loved Halo’s tone in the first place.
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You have the most impressive ability to warp an argument into something completely different spoon.
That or you just dont make good faith arguments.
If you choose to actually respond to what is said ill gladly do so in kind but im not wasting my time unwinding your poor attempts at twisting words again.
Its quite simply not worth anyones time to engage with such a disingenuous appraoch to discussion.
I can promise you these are all in good faith. I hold no malice to those opposed to my ideas. What i do say is that their assumptions have less ground to stand on than our side. I acknowledge both sides are all speculation but i would argue that the pro toggle side has more information supporting our side than the anti toggle people.
The only arguments [i have seen] against a toggle are:
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The unproven assumption people might spend less (other games have toggles for cosmetic items people paid for and no one cared there).
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People should be able to force others to see their spartans no matter how distracting/counter to Halo’s historic tone it is just because.
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No toggle insures that people can still get enjoyment out of knowing that said cosmetics are distracting/irritating/ immersion breaking to other players (i see this one just as often as the other 2 arguments above).
The arguments for a toggle are:
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Halo has historically had a pretty consistent tone, we just want to be able to preserve that tone.
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People have stated they either have left or plan on leaving due to such items unless there is a toggle added. Since no one is playing Halo because of the cosmetics in question, it is safe to assume they have created a net negative in player count.
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Along with point 2, 343 already changed the art style in Halo 4 and 5 and have stated that they had to return to a more classic art style due to the backlash. So we can infer that something similar is bound to happen here unless a toggle is added allowing said cosmetics to survive.
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No one who doesn’t use the toggle would even know if other players had it turned on unless they consistently ask everyone they play with to identity their armor to prove they don’t have the toggle on.