I promise you it’s TONS more than just the look. Besides the look of any given spartan in multiplayer makes up for such a small % of the look of Halo. So much more culminates into the “look” of Halo.
So yes they are physically small but again philosophically massive.
And the look of a game is not the end all be all, a game with good mechanics but bad graphics/art style will not succeed and likewise a game with great graphics but poor gameplay will fail. You need both.
For reference, in a Bethesda documentary Todd Howard talks about wanting to make a game like Fallout (they didn’t own Fallout yet) and they did work on some designs/concept art and realized it does not work without the Fallout aesthetics. So they made an offer to buy Fallout and got it.
Similarly pokemon clones that have nearly the exact same gameplay don’t do well. Pokemon basically dominates the whole monster taming RPG genre.
There is something to be said about a games aesthetics that make it more appealing. People suggesting it is ridiculous to stop playing a game due to aesthetic/tone changes are just wrong. Its perfectly reasonable to want a game to look a certain way, especially when it historically has.
We simply want to keep the tone of Halo that made it appealing to so many of us. As i have said i would pay for a toggle if that is what it took.
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Ah, and there’s the division of the coatings…
Canon simulations in a public setting. Included in that you’re going to be encountering people that you don’t know, like, agree with, or approve of. And it’s a simulation, which means it’s not real. So this “Integrity of the Tone” is not touched one bit.
Loving the Halo World isn’t a factor here, because this is Multiplayer. Quasi-canonical inclusion aside, it has been “goofy” since 2010. Hell, I’d push it back to 2007 even, when we got gamemodes with Zombies, golfballs and golfclubs. “Loving Halo” isn’t the reason for wanting this toggle. It’s that there are things in Halo Infinite that you don’t like, and you don’t want to see them.
No it wouldn’t. Because again, they’re still there. You won’t be able to see them, but then we’d still be getting a flood of forum topics complaining about the free events “Pandering to Fortnite kids”. It would not change a thing.
No, they aren’t. We see Nameplates in the pre-game lineup. Stances in the post-game victories. AI’s when someone is capturing or holding a territory, or opening doors. That does not account for 1% of gameplay.
I’m sure you mean Microsoft makes more money. Which is somewhat of a weak argument as most of these “Silly” cosmetics - certainly the more recent ones - have been free.
As mentioned to Meta, this has been the tone since 2010. “The tone it has always had” is a very far stretch.
Ok good thing Halo has all 3 on lock: good graphics, a stellar art style, and great mechanics. The cosmetic items do very little in the way to change that. They are such a small part of the game as a whole.
IDK why people care enough about cosmetics to want a toggle, or to be this super against it. Ya’ll equally crazy to me.
Yes.
No. Those are Halo, interpreted as if it was set in a more realistic and darker world.
Yeah so this is what we are talking about. The continued addition of items like this will require a toggle to keep some people around and i don’t see items like this binging in new players so the worry is they will cause a net negative in player count.
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I’m not against the idea of a cosmetics toggle, but these are not the same thing. You can use voice communications for hate speech and you can’t do the same thing with cosmetics.
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In your opinion. We have seen no evidence to support the claim that cosmetic items are hurting the game more than they are supporting it. And that’s just plain facts.
In the same way you have no proof that people paid so much money for these that it canceled out people who may have left/wiil leave. Neither side knows any real numbers.
We just asked for a toggle. People acted like we said get rid of the cosmetics.
We gave examples of other game series that have paid cosmetics that have toggles and no mass money loss occured. Some single player games have paid cosmetics and people still buy them. 343 has messed with the art style before and had to change it back.
Outside of anti toggle people speculating some people might spend less there really isn’t any argument against it but the pro toggle side has many examples to pull from showing a toggle either doesn’t hurt sales or that people don’t just buy cosmetics because they can show them off to other people. There is also no proof that these cosmetics bring people to the game but many have said they know people who would leave or are willing to leave and you are saying for us to go ahead and leave when there is no data to back up not having a toggle outside of mere speculation.
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We know that the cosmetics directly support Halo Infinite. And we know that Halo Infinite has already generated BILLIONS of dollars. So if the majority hated cosmetics and jumped ship, I highly doubt they would have generated so much money.
This money makes it possible for all things Halo to become a reality.
But > 90% of the cosmetics would not be behind the toggle. Thats the thing, no one on here can know how many customers have been or will be lost due to some of them vs how much money the cosmetics at question have specifically made.
Its all speculation on both sides but we also have examples to help ourside while anti toggle people only have speculation.
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I completely disagree. I feel like the pro-toggle group is overflowing with wild speculation while the anti-toggle people are pretty much grounded in reality. I said it before but, money trumps all. You can’t win an argument against money. You can’t demand a feature if it has even the smallest chance of negatively effecting the money.
No money = No Future for Halo Infinite.
You are basing your logic on an assumption that the specific cosmetics we are talking about are making bonkers amount of money and that it is a fact toggles cause money loss.
Thats your problem.
We are saying 343 has examples from other games and similar experiences from past Halo games to see that a toggle doesn’t really affect cosmetic sales and that they have clearly seen harsh feedback over Halos art being messed with before.
You have no examples of a toggle causing a massive loss to sales like you are suggesting it would do so you are in fact just speculating that it would hurt sales with out any precedence for such claims.
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But I don’t need that. We know for a undeniable fact that the cosmetics directly support Halo Infinite. We know how much money was already made (for a fact). We know for a fact that money is good and supports all of the things. We know for a fact that money is vital for the future of Halo Infinite. None of that is speculation. Zero.
We have to speculate on what the effects of a toggle would be because a toggle like this currently does not exist in Halo Infinite. So that’s what we’re doing. Pointing to similar toggles in other games (that aren’t Halo Infinite) is not substantial enough. Not very compelling. imo
Again you are assuming that the specific cosmetics we are talking about are making more money for 343 than the game would with a toggle and potentially (most likely) more players.
We just simply let 343 know there is a market out here for a toggle.
What if one day there was verifiable proof a toggle did not cause money loss? Would you still be against it? I have a feeling most people are not against a toggle for money reasons but Ideological ones.
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Both of us are speculating on this. Cause neither of us know how much any specific cosmetic item sold (compared to the rest) What I’m not speculating on is that cosmetics are selling like hotcakes and supporting the game as intended.
And again money is the same thing as Halo Infinite. Because you can’t have one without the other. So who knows what the effect would be. Could be minimal, or it could be disastrous.
With the store currently operating as intended and generating revenue, why would they want to risk it?
I agree, the point of this post was just so 343 could take it into account moving forward. If no one says anything then 343 wouldn’t ever know about it.
Maybe they risk it because enough of us show the desire for one. Thats really it.
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It would be different if it wasn’t the thing that literally supports everything else.
Agreed. Time for a new economic model.
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Good luck selling the idea of a new model when this one is functioning as intended… and then some.
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