Another sprint poll everybody!

Games Halo: The Master Chief Collection
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> > I have been playing Halo since Halo 2 on original Xbox and I am all for sprint. Not being able to sprint I felt held the game play back a little. I love the fast game play sprint gives you. Sorry if others are talented enough to get the kill when others can sprint.
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> I’m starting to think these types of people are either just trolls or bots from 343.

https://www.halowaypoint.com/en-us/games/halo-2/xbox/service-records/players/lethalq You’re right he has no halo 2 play time

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I like how you think the community as a whole is based off these forums. No matter what the preferred setting is on these forums, you are achieving nothing.
'Cos we all know 250 people saying they don’t want sprint is an outraging number lololololol. Seriously, how oblivious can you be.

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> > > > Your poll will never be as valid as the one 343 did.
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> > > Some interesting polls 343 had. Keep in mind: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-selection_bias
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> > This quote in particular is a perfect case of what I call grasping for straws.
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> The only user who’s grasping at straws is you and your attempt at posting an idiom in order to marginalise valid criticism.

Yes it was a statement intended to marginalize (you spell it with a z btw) your argument. I I felt like the poll was fair and open to the public and the questions where fairly clear on a yes or no answer. Nonprobability sampling was yes indeed used however they did not make that selection it was an open poll, most issues arise when a poll selects said population. Again the poll was open so they intended that involved members of the community would represent the community as a whole.

As for the questions Forcing users in " groups" is incorrect. At no point did 343i make ether group (Pro-Sprint or Anti-Sprint) seem undesirable. If users found themselves in a social group it was formed by the community as a whole, not by 343i.

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> > I have been playing Halo since Halo 2 on original Xbox and I am all for sprint. Not being able to sprint I felt held the game play back a little. I love the fast game play sprint gives you. Sorry if others are talented enough to get the kill when others can sprint.
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> I’m starting to think these types of people are either just trolls or bots from 343.

Ya think? If that’s not clear to all normal unaffiliated users by now, I’m not quite sure how.

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I keep seeing the word evolve. Like wtf? No. Changing the gameplay isn’t evolving. Its adapting to what is selling. “Oh every other fps has sprint” It doesn’t mean halo needs it.

Every halo game has done something different if you haven’t noticed. In Halo CE, the game was one of the best if not the best of its kind at the time. It launched with the original I believe. Then H2 with multiplayer, a WORKING rank, and refined gameplay. Get that I say refined, not evolved like some of the clowns. Then BAM halo 3. We got forge, theater, a file share, and equipment. I would say refined gameplay as well. Some might say not because of the spread and leading the shots and so forth.

Then reach happened. Forge was awesome then, and the file share was incredible. But they made more gameplay changes. Thats when people were really not liking the changes. When, you guessed it, sprint and abilities were introduced. I personally liked reach but I liked 2 and 3 way more.

And for the love of hercules, YES it has been proven that sprint has made maps bigger. I’m not about to look it that up and link it because so many people in this thread have literally made the same points over and over. You want to prove me wrong, then you look it up. Times were done between haven and guardian. Two of the smallest maps on either game. With sprint it was shown to be identical to guardian time wise across. without sprint, h4 took a lot longer.

AND YES maps are designed around sprint. the cover you see on the map, the distance between the sniper and the rockets, the spawns, they have it all planned so it takes a certain amount of time to get to one place or another. They can’t be to close otherwise someone could sprint in-between the two.

Quit adding stuff to the game for “realism”. This isn’t battlefield. This isn’t CoD (not saying cod is realism). This isn’t even forza 5 for those who get confused easily. This used to be the most badass franchise ever but with these changes, I FEEL that halo is losing its fan base and its credibility with any of the former players. BTW don’t you dare say it needs to have more players. H2 and H3 and even reach lasted a long time without these new players. Although the more new players the better but don’t cater to them and dump the old fancies

So for the final almost every game evolved in some way shape or form. Normally its been adding in features in the original trilogy but lately between reach and 4 and no 5 its been a different game each time you play them.

On a side note. Shouldn’t we be -Yoinking!- about not even being able to play MCC without game breaking bugs yet?

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> And for the love of hercules, YES it has been proven that sprint has made maps bigger. I’m not about to look it that up and link it because so many people in this thread have literally made the same points over and over. You want to prove me wrong, then you look it up. Times were done on ragnarock and valhalla. They were damn near identical.
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> AND YES maps are designed around sprint. the cover you see on the map, the distance between the sniper and the rockets, the spawns, they have it all planned so it takes a certain amount of time to get to one place or another. They can’t be to close otherwise someone could sprint in-between the two.

Please provide a link for me. I’m so, so curious.

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> > > > > Your poll will never be as valid as the one 343 did.
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> > > > Some interesting polls 343 had. Keep in mind: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-selection_bias
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> > > This quote in particular is a perfect case of what I call grasping for straws.
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> > The only user who’s grasping at straws is you and your attempt at posting an idiom in order to marginalise valid criticism.
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> Yes it was a statement intended to marginalize (you spell it with a z btw) your argument. I I felt like the poll was fair and open to the public and the questions where fairly clear on a yes or no answer. Nonprobability sampling was yes indeed used however they did not make that selection it was an open poll, most issues arise when a poll selects said population. Again the poll was open so they intended that involved members of the community would represent the community as a whole.
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> As for the questions Forcing users in " groups" is incorrect. At no point did 343i make ether group (Pro-Sprint or Anti-Sprint) seem undesirable. If users found themselves in a social group it was formed by the community as a whole, not by 343i.

I know very well how to spell marginalise as I’m using the British spelling of the verb. Do not lecture me on how to correctly spell words that have different spellings in different localisations and when your own syntax is prone to errors (such as the repetition of pronouns). Nor was it my argument that you were marginalising. Nor was the poll fair as the few users who did dare to speak about it (as there was an NDA involved) stated that it was incredibly vague and filled with grey areas. Nor was the poll fully open as users have complained that they weren’t admitted to the Community Feedback Program even after registering for it weeks in advance.

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> I keep seeing the word evolve. Like wtf? No. Changing the gameplay isn’t evolving. Its adapting to what is selling. “Oh every other fps has sprint” It doesn’t mean halo needs it.
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> Every halo game has done something different if you haven’t noticed. In Halo CE, the game was one of the best if not the best of its kind at the time. It launched with the original I believe. Then H2 with multiplayer, a WORKING rank, and refined gameplay. Get that I say refined, not evolved like some of the clowns. Then BAM halo 3. We got forge, theater, a file share, and equipment. I would say refined gameplay as well. Some might say not because of the spread and leading the shots and so forth.
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> Then reach happened. Forge was awesome then, and the file share was incredible. But they made more gameplay changes. Thats when people were really not liking the changes. When, you guessed it, sprint and abilities were introduced. I personally liked reach but I liked 2 and 3 way more.
>
> And for the love of hercules, YES it has been proven that sprint has made maps bigger. I’m not about to look it that up and link it because so many people in this thread have literally made the same points over and over. You want to prove me wrong, then you look it up. Times were done on ragnarock and valhalla. They were damn near identical.
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> AND YES maps are designed around sprint. the cover you see on the map, the distance between the sniper and the rockets, the spawns, they have it all planned so it takes a certain amount of time to get to one place or another. They can’t be to close otherwise someone could sprint in-between the two.
>
> Quit adding stuff to the game for “realism”. This isn’t battlefield. This isn’t CoD (not saying cod is realism). This isn’t even forza 5 for those who get confused easily. This used to be the most badass franchise ever but with these changes, I FEEL that halo is losing its fan base and its credibility with any of the former players. BTW don’t you dare say it needs to have more players. H2 and H3 and even reach lasted a long time without these new players. Although the more new players the better but don’t cater to them and dump the old fancies
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> So for the final almost every game evolved in some way shape or form. Normally its been adding in features in the original trilogy but lately between reach and 4 and no 5 its been a different game each time you play them.
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> On a side note. Shouldn’t we be -Yoinking!- about not even being able to play MCC without game breaking bugs yet?

Just don’t buy Halo 5, man. Everyone like ourselves who want this game to get back to being the unique FPS it once was can help make that happen by simply refusing to purchase Halo 5.

They can bend the numbers all they want and keep spewing ridiculous “11%” stats, but the one stat they cannot directly manipulate is their games’ profit margin. Don’t buy the game. If enough people can realize that’s truly all they need/have to do to get real Halo back–at least for the final game of the trilogy in Halo 6–then you will have every bit of reason to be excited about buying Halo 6 because 343i isn’t going to bend stats when the one that counts is flat.

Also, don’t for one second think that 343i/MS cares about their game’s online population (at any point in time)! It hurt them little to none when Halo 4’s population died right off the bat. The population count hurt we the fans/players/customers/whatever NOT 343i/MS. Their goal is to sell as many copies of Halo 5 as is humanly possible…to anybody they can reach. So long as their sales are good, their MM success will always be, for the most part, an afterthought.

Want Halo 6 to actually represent a modern day classic Halo title? Then don’t help pay for the gas they need to continue traveling in the opposite direction! Don’t just not pre-order the game…DON’T BUY IT, PERIOD!

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> > I keep seeing the word evolve. Like wtf? No. Changing the gameplay isn’t evolving. Its adapting to what is selling. “Oh every other fps has sprint” It doesn’t mean halo needs it.
> >
> > Every halo game has done something different if you haven’t noticed. In Halo CE, the game was one of the best if not the best of its kind at the time. It launched with the original I believe. Then H2 with multiplayer, a WORKING rank, and refined gameplay. Get that I say refined, not evolved like some of the clowns. Then BAM halo 3. We got forge, theater, a file share, and equipment. I would say refined gameplay as well. Some might say not because of the spread and leading the shots and so forth.
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> > Then reach happened. Forge was awesome then, and the file share was incredible. But they made more gameplay changes. Thats when people were really not liking the changes. When, you guessed it, sprint and abilities were introduced. I personally liked reach but I liked 2 and 3 way more.
> >
> > And for the love of hercules, YES it has been proven that sprint has made maps bigger. I’m not about to look it that up and link it because so many people in this thread have literally made the same points over and over. You want to prove me wrong, then you look it up. Times were done on ragnarock and valhalla. They were damn near identical.
> >
> > AND YES maps are designed around sprint. the cover you see on the map, the distance between the sniper and the rockets, the spawns, they have it all planned so it takes a certain amount of time to get to one place or another. They can’t be to close otherwise someone could sprint in-between the two.
> >
> > Quit adding stuff to the game for “realism”. This isn’t battlefield. This isn’t CoD (not saying cod is realism). This isn’t even forza 5 for those who get confused easily. This used to be the most badass franchise ever but with these changes, I FEEL that halo is losing its fan base and its credibility with any of the former players. BTW don’t you dare say it needs to have more players. H2 and H3 and even reach lasted a long time without these new players. Although the more new players the better but don’t cater to them and dump the old fancies
> >
> > So for the final almost every game evolved in some way shape or form. Normally its been adding in features in the original trilogy but lately between reach and 4 and no 5 its been a different game each time you play them.
> >
> > On a side note. Shouldn’t we be -Yoinking!- about not even being able to play MCC without game breaking bugs yet?
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>
> Just don’t buy Halo 5, man. Everyone like ourselves who want this game to get back to being the unique FPS it once was can help make that happen by simply refusing to purchase Halo 5.
>
> They can bend the numbers all they want and keep spewing ridiculous “11%” stats, but the one stat they cannot directly manipulate is their games’ profit margin. Don’t buy the game. If enough people can realize that’s truly all they need/have to do to get real Halo back–at least for the final game of the trilogy in Halo 6–then you will have every bit of reason to be excited about buying Halo 6 because 343i isn’t going to bend stats when the one that counts is flat.
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> Also, don’t for one second think that 343i/MS cares about their game’s online population (at any point in time)! It hurt them little to none when Halo 4’s population died right off the bat. The population count hurt we the fans/players/customers/whatever NOT 343i/MS. Their goal is to sell as many copies of Halo 5 as is humanly possible…to anybody they can reach. So long as their sales are good, their MM success will always be, for the most part, an afterthought.
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> Want Halo 6 to actually represent a modern day classic Halo title? Then don’t help pay for the gas they need to continue traveling in the opposite direction! Don’t just not pre-order the game…DON’T BUY IT, PERIOD!

Thanks for the misinformation.

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> > > I keep seeing the word evolve. Like wtf? No. Changing the gameplay isn’t evolving. Its adapting to what is selling. “Oh every other fps has sprint” It doesn’t mean halo needs it.
> > >
> > > Every halo game has done something different if you haven’t noticed. In Halo CE, the game was one of the best if not the best of its kind at the time. It launched with the original I believe. Then H2 with multiplayer, a WORKING rank, and refined gameplay. Get that I say refined, not evolved like some of the clowns. Then BAM halo 3. We got forge, theater, a file share, and equipment. I would say refined gameplay as well. Some might say not because of the spread and leading the shots and so forth.
> > >
> > > Then reach happened. Forge was awesome then, and the file share was incredible. But they made more gameplay changes. Thats when people were really not liking the changes. When, you guessed it, sprint and abilities were introduced. I personally liked reach but I liked 2 and 3 way more.
> > >
> > > And for the love of hercules, YES it has been proven that sprint has made maps bigger. I’m not about to look it that up and link it because so many people in this thread have literally made the same points over and over. You want to prove me wrong, then you look it up. Times were done on ragnarock and valhalla. They were damn near identical.
> > >
> > > AND YES maps are designed around sprint. the cover you see on the map, the distance between the sniper and the rockets, the spawns, they have it all planned so it takes a certain amount of time to get to one place or another. They can’t be to close otherwise someone could sprint in-between the two.
> > >
> > > Quit adding stuff to the game for “realism”. This isn’t battlefield. This isn’t CoD (not saying cod is realism). This isn’t even forza 5 for those who get confused easily. This used to be the most badass franchise ever but with these changes, I FEEL that halo is losing its fan base and its credibility with any of the former players. BTW don’t you dare say it needs to have more players. H2 and H3 and even reach lasted a long time without these new players. Although the more new players the better but don’t cater to them and dump the old fancies
> > >
> > > So for the final almost every game evolved in some way shape or form. Normally its been adding in features in the original trilogy but lately between reach and 4 and no 5 its been a different game each time you play them.
> > >
> > > On a side note. Shouldn’t we be -Yoinking!- about not even being able to play MCC without game breaking bugs yet?
> >
> >
> >
> > Just don’t buy Halo 5, man. Everyone like ourselves who want this game to get back to being the unique FPS it once was can help make that happen by simply refusing to purchase Halo 5.
> >
> > They can bend the numbers all they want and keep spewing ridiculous “11%” stats, but the one stat they cannot directly manipulate is their games’ profit margin. Don’t buy the game. If enough people can realize that’s truly all they need/have to do to get real Halo back–at least for the final game of the trilogy in Halo 6–then you will have every bit of reason to be excited about buying Halo 6 because 343i isn’t going to bend stats when the one that counts is flat.
> >
> > Also, don’t for one second think that 343i/MS cares about their game’s online population (at any point in time)! It hurt them little to none when Halo 4’s population died right off the bat. The population count hurt we the fans/players/customers/whatever NOT 343i/MS. Their goal is to sell as many copies of Halo 5 as is humanly possible…to anybody they can reach. So long as their sales are good, their MM success will always be, for the most part, an afterthought.
> >
> > Want Halo 6 to actually represent a modern day classic Halo title? Then don’t help pay for the gas they need to continue traveling in the opposite direction! Don’t just not pre-order the game…DON’T BUY IT, PERIOD!
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> Thanks for the misinformation.

Thanks for the disinformation

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343…Why is it that the community has been asking for armor abilities and sprint to be removed for 5 years? Does this mean that they want more -Yoink- added to the game? Screw this I’m so -Yoinking!- done with this franchise. We should all boycott Halo 5,this is unacceptable.

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> 343…Why is it that the community has been asking for armor abilities and sprint to be removed for 5 years? Does this mean that they want more -Yoink- added to the game? Screw this I’m so -Yoinking!- done with this franchise. We should all boycott Halo 5,this is unacceptable.

EXACTLY. I, for one, won’t be purchasing it. I’m hoping enough do the same to force Halo 6 to be a good game that actually lasts.

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I like sprint.

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> > And for the love of hercules, YES it has been proven that sprint has made maps bigger. I’m not about to look it that up and link it because so many people in this thread have literally made the same points over and over. You want to prove me wrong, then you look it up. Times were done on ragnarock and valhalla. They were damn near identical.
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> > AND YES maps are designed around sprint. the cover you see on the map, the distance between the sniper and the rockets, the spawns, they have it all planned so it takes a certain amount of time to get to one place or another. They can’t be to close otherwise someone could sprint in-between the two.
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> Please provide a link for me. I’m so, so curious.

Quote:
Similarly, Halo 4’s designers keep a watchful eye on distance. “We definitely have standards for the size than something can be and the time it takes from one corner of a map to the other, or one objective sight to the other,” says Pearson. “It’s to make sure we’re tuning the experience to keep the time-to-death down, or making sure that your time-to-engagement is enough to give you a breather between dying, but not so long that you’re hunting through the map and not finding people.” Again, game mechanics have a direct bearing. In Halo 3, sprinting was impossible. In Halo: Reach, sprinting was a selectable armor ability. In Halo 4, everyone’s at it, and the maps have grown to compensate.

Here is the thread I got it from
[Here

](https://www.halowaypoint.com/en-us/forums/6e35355aecdf4fd0acdaee3cc4156fd4/topics/sprint-doesnt-force-stretching-video-comparison/e54ffac2-a4af-471e-b9c6-8ad28ee382dc/posts?page=1)And Here is the link to the article that EVEN HAS 343 saying the quote above.

No I was wrong about valhalla and ragnarok. Those remakes were on a 1:1 scale. They actually did those tests on haven and guardian. Sorry but are you gonna say 343 is wrong and sprint doesn’t affect map size still?

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> > > I have been playing Halo since Halo 2 on original Xbox and I am all for sprint. Not being able to sprint I felt held the game play back a little. I love the fast game play sprint gives you. Sorry if others are talented enough to get the kill when others can sprint.
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> > I’m starting to think these types of people are either just trolls or bots from 343.
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> https://www.halowaypoint.com/en-us/games/halo-2/xbox/service-records/players/lethalq You’re right he has no halo 2 play time

yeah cause players couldn’t have possibly had different accounts back then

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> I know there are alot of polls/threads/videos about sprint on why it’s bad, close to none about why it’s good. And the poll 343i put out where only 11% voted sprint out looks like it’s rigged from my point of view so I thought why not make a poll open for EVERYBODY in the community (and outside) instead of ONLY letting selected US people participate?
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> inb4 “This has been done plenty of times OP, this is just stupid and so are you hurr durr sprint war thread”

can you specify if yes means yes to sprint or yes to removing sprint and vice versa for no. This poll isn’t clear and I can see the info being skewed due to misinterpretation…

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> > I know there are alot of polls/threads/videos about sprint on why it’s bad, close to none about why it’s good. And the poll 343i put out where only 11% voted sprint out looks like it’s rigged from my point of view so I thought why not make a poll open for EVERYBODY in the community (and outside) instead of ONLY letting selected US people participate?
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> > inb4 “This has been done plenty of times OP, this is just stupid and so are you hurr durr sprint war thread”
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> can you specify if yes means yes to sprint or yes to removing sprint and vice versa for no. This poll isn’t clear and I can see the info being skewed due to misinterpretation…

You make a good point. If it is “do you want sprint removed” then currently the vast majority don’t want it removed. lol Like 343 said, only 11% don’t want sprint. 89% want sprint.

The poll might actually be asking if you like pizza.

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sprint should stay in the halo universe.