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> it DOES speed up the game play. but i still prefer my halo with sprint. i don’t get why some are so stuck in the past.
My personal experience says otherwise. You’re allowed to have your opinion, but saying people are stuck in the past just for not wanting sprint…
Lmao, do you know how old sprinting even is?
What’s the question, OP?
Yes what? No what?
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> > > This poll is dumb in my opinion and I don’t see anything wrong with sprint.
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> > > I think it’s a good idea to have one control available to us, just in case we need to move faster, like let’s just say you’re shields go down and you want to fall back to cover faster, or get across open space to reach a vehicle that you need?
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> > > I love the classic Halo games, I really do, but I’m able to move on as well when the franchise evolves, and I feel sorry for those who don’t have the ability to do that.
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> > “Evolves”? It isn’t evolution, just change. Evolution implies that it is a change that occurred due to natural selection, meaning said change helps something to survive. Sprinting has not helped Halo survive by any means. As a matter of fact it has done more than its part in putting nails in Halo’s coffin. Whether or not it is a good change is up to debate, however whether or not it could be described as evolution is a no brainer. I say we cut our losses and move forward without sprint. The new spartan abilities should be more than good enough to help mix up gameplay.
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> Whatever, deal with it. I simply used the word “evolution” as in the franchise gets better over time which is how it changes, sir. Therefore that word can have a ton of other meanings. Not just change from natural selection. But you are obviously too stuck in the past and think it’s necessary to shut me down with your “facts” I will not tolerate anyone doing that to me here.
Did you just try to refute my argument by saying you won’t tolerate facts? At least I used some facts, whether they were related to the topic at hand or not. You merely shrugged them off by saying “deal with it” then proceeded to make entirely opinionated claims in regards to the state of the franchise and treat such opinions as facts. You don’t need to be a member of your middle school debate club (I’m assuming you’re in middle school based on your uninstigated internet rage, sassy tone of voice, and misunderstanding of the word evolution. See, that is called inductive reasoning in case you didn’t know. Even if my conclusion is wrong, I still reached it through observations of things that are true) to figure out what you just said isn’t a valid argument.
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> > it DOES speed up the game play. but i still prefer my halo with sprint. i don’t get why some are so stuck in the past.
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> My personal experience says otherwise. You’re allowed to have your opinion, but saying people are stuck in the past just for not wanting sprint…
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> Lmao, do you know how old sprinting even is?
sure sprinting has been around since Mario on Super Mario Brothers on Nintendo, but sprinting in halo hasn’t been around all that long and that should show you how behind the times halo was to enable such a simple control and what should be a natural ability. not being able to sprint I felt held halo back in game play and was thilled when they finally incorporated it.
why not have playlists with sprint and others without it?
problem solved.
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> > > > This poll is dumb in my opinion and I don’t see anything wrong with sprint.
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> > > > I think it’s a good idea to have one control available to us, just in case we need to move faster, like let’s just say you’re shields go down and you want to fall back to cover faster, or get across open space to reach a vehicle that you need?
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> > > > I love the classic Halo games, I really do, but I’m able to move on as well when the franchise evolves, and I feel sorry for those who don’t have the ability to do that.
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> > > “Evolves”? It isn’t evolution, just change. Evolution implies that it is a change that occurred due to natural selection, meaning said change helps something to survive. Sprinting has not helped Halo survive by any means. As a matter of fact it has done more than its part in putting nails in Halo’s coffin. Whether or not it is a good change is up to debate, however whether or not it could be described as evolution is a no brainer. I say we cut our losses and move forward without sprint. The new spartan abilities should be more than good enough to help mix up gameplay.
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> > Whatever, deal with it. I simply used the word “evolution” as in the franchise gets better over time which is how it changes, sir. Therefore that word can have a ton of other meanings. Not just change from natural selection. But you are obviously too stuck in the past and think it’s necessary to shut me down with your “facts” I will not tolerate anyone doing that to me here.
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> Did you just try to refute my argument by saying you won’t tolerate facts? At least I used some facts, whether they were related to the topic at hand or not. You merely shrugged them off by saying “deal with it” then proceeded to make entirely opinionated claims in regards to the state of the franchise and treat such opinions as facts. You don’t need to be a member of your middle school debate club (I’m assuming you’re in middle school based on your uninstigated internet rage, sassy tone of voice, and misunderstanding of the word evolution. See, that is called inductive reasoning in case you didn’t know. Even if my conclusion is wrong, I still reached it through observations of things that are true) to figure out what you just said isn’t a valid argument.
Straight up lol ^
Funny how people talk about feeling held back without sprint yet I’ve never had those issues in games like Team Fortress 2 and Counter-Strike: Global Offensive.
Subjective opinions of sprint aside, it does nothing to benefit Halo’s already established gameplay, and in fact interferes with both the movement fluidity/pace/tempo of Halo and its gunplay (you cannot run after and fire at an opponent at the same time while both sprinting, and the effectiveness of base-movement speed abilities such as strafing have been decreased). It doesn’t increase the speed of its gameplay (maps are stretched out/made with larger proportions to account for sprint), and it doesn’t evolve Halo in a meaningful, positive way.
The definition of evolution is to have gradual progress. Sprint isn’t gradual as it significantly alters how Halo is played (whereas in prior Halo titles the introduction of new mechanics does not attempt to reinvent the wheel in such a extensive manner - sprint doesn’t just interfere with gunplay, but also with level design as a whole). Here’s a neat thread that outlines the many problems that sprint provides quite well: https://www.halowaypoint.com/en-us/forums/6e35355aecdf4fd0acdaee3cc4156fd4/topics/343i-s-incompetent-game-design-is-killing-halo/0d7148b9-6521-4e84-bef8-d9c76dc4e1e4/posts
And finally, no, I don’t support sprint for the reasons that it negatively affects Halo’s fundamental design.
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> Funny how people talk about feeling held back without sprint yet I’ve never had those issues in games like Team Fortress 2 and Counter-Strike: Global Offensive.
I was just about to mention Counter-Strike, you beat me to it.
Funny, isn’t it? How people say that sprint is needed to improve the game to modern standards, and yet the most popular and competitive FPS out right now doesn’t have it, and has kept it’s population for the last 2-1/2 years?
Food for thought.
All these polls are pointless including 343’s feedback program one.
Sprint added literally nothing positive to halos gameplay. Change for the sake of change.
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> but sprinting in halo hasn’t been around all that long and that should show you how behind the times halo was to enable such a simple control and what should be a natural ability. not being able to sprint I felt held halo back in game play and was thilled when they finally incorporated it.
Sprinting in Halo has existed since Reach, and when Halo 5 comes out, that’ll be 3 games with it. I don’t agree with story > gameplay either, or else we would end up with spartans being able to go prone and throw football sized nukes. IMO there’s nothing inherently wrong with sprint, but the maps/game shouldn’t be built around it.
Not to mention sprint is way overdone these days, and the less games that have it, the better.
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> > but sprinting in halo hasn’t been around all that long and that should show you how behind the times halo was to enable such a simple control and what should be a natural ability. not being able to sprint I felt held halo back in game play and was thilled when they finally incorporated it.
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> Sprinting in Halo has existed since Reach, and when Halo 5 comes out, that’ll be 3 games with it. I don’t agree with story > gameplay either, or else we would end up with spartans being able to go prone and throw football sized nukes. IMO there’s nothing inherently wrong with sprint, but the maps/game shouldn’t be built around it.
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> Not to mention sprint is way overdone these days, and the less games that have it, the better.
So the 3 worst halos have sprint so that is a reason to support it?
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> > > but sprinting in halo hasn’t been around all that long and that should show you how behind the times halo was to enable such a simple control and what should be a natural ability. not being able to sprint I felt held halo back in game play and was thilled when they finally incorporated it.
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> > Sprinting in Halo has existed since Reach, and when Halo 5 comes out, that’ll be 3 games with it. I don’t agree with story > gameplay either, or else we would end up with spartans being able to go prone and throw football sized nukes. IMO there’s nothing inherently wrong with sprint, but the maps/game shouldn’t be built around it.
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> > Not to mention sprint is way overdone these days, and the less games that have it, the better.
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> So the 3 worst halos have sprint so that is a reason to support it?
I am saying that sprint should be in Halo, but none of the future titles should be built around it.
Basically the exact opposite of what’s going to happen in Halo 5.
Your poll will never be as valid as the one 343 did.
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> Your poll will never be as valid as the one 343 did.
Some interesting polls 343 had. Keep in mind: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-selection_bias
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> > Seriously guys lets drop this sprint crap… I would like to see a good forum rather than another sprint one. Lets move on this topic is overstayed its welcome.
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> I imagined a white guy in southern America in the 40’s:
> Seriously guys lets drop this race crap… I would like to see a good forum rather than another race one. Lets move on this topic is overstayed its welcome.
> Yeah-no. If people want something to change because they think it’s bad, they won’t stop until either it changes or they are no longer around to be involved. Either halo fans prefer sprint and others (most) don’t, or nothing gets changed, the ones who felt ignored because they didn’t do enough to make sprint balanced leave, and then halo 4 happens, and then all the sprint lovers stay, leaving only 8% of the fanbase around after 3 months.
Okay strange image, and it seriously outdated we understood it in Reach how much a particular amount of the community was irritated by it. If sprint was hated so much and so much of the fan base was lost due to it being in the game, it would have been removed, to you this is a free time killer to them its their paycheck, they will listen to the community if the irritated percentage was not a minority…
So yea, 92% of the community leaving would give 343i a heart attack and they would take sprint away as soon as possible. The percentage of people who dislike sprint may be smaller than you believe. witch leads me to my deduction that this topic is overdone even before a 11% of sprint haters from the recent feedback results…
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> > Your poll will never be as valid as the one 343 did.
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> Some interesting polls 343 had. Keep in mind: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-selection_bias
This quote in particular is a perfect case of what I call grasping for straws.
lol, wait a minute… “yes” to remove sprint or “yes” keep sprint? Anyways, I voted toggle like any reasonable person would, that is if by toggle you mean having the option in Customs. Playlists-wise, there should be some with, and some without sprint.
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> > > Your poll will never be as valid as the one 343 did.
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> > Some interesting polls 343 had. Keep in mind: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-selection_bias
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> This quote in particular is a perfect case of what I call grasping for straws.
The only user who’s grasping at straws is you and your attempt at posting an idiom in order to marginalise valid criticism.
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> > > > This poll is dumb in my opinion and I don’t see anything wrong with sprint.
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> > > > I think it’s a good idea to have one control available to us, just in case we need to move faster, like let’s just say you’re shields go down and you want to fall back to cover faster, or get across open space to reach a vehicle that you need?
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> > > > I love the classic Halo games, I really do, but I’m able to move on as well when the franchise evolves, and I feel sorry for those who don’t have the ability to do that.
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> > > “Evolves”? It isn’t evolution, just change. Evolution implies that it is a change that occurred due to natural selection, meaning said change helps something to survive. Sprinting has not helped Halo survive by any means. As a matter of fact it has done more than its part in putting nails in Halo’s coffin. Whether or not it is a good change is up to debate, however whether or not it could be described as evolution is a no brainer. I say we cut our losses and move forward without sprint. The new spartan abilities should be more than good enough to help mix up gameplay.
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> > Whatever, deal with it. I simply used the word “evolution” as in the franchise gets better over time which is how it changes, sir. Therefore that word can have a ton of other meanings. Not just change from natural selection. But you are obviously too stuck in the past and think it’s necessary to shut me down with your “facts” I will not tolerate anyone doing that to me here.
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> Did you just try to refute my argument by saying you won’t tolerate facts? At least I used some facts, whether they were related to the topic at hand or not. You merely shrugged them off by saying “deal with it” then proceeded to make entirely opinionated claims in regards to the state of the franchise and treat such opinions as facts. You don’t need to be a member of your middle school debate club (I’m assuming you’re in middle school based on your uninstigated internet rage, sassy tone of voice, and misunderstanding of the word evolution. See, that is called inductive reasoning in case you didn’t know. Even if my conclusion is wrong, I still reached it through observations of things that are true) to figure out what you just said isn’t a valid argument.
I dont think you can use Dawrwins natural of selection to describe a video game franchise Eclypse PaniK, however if you insit to use biology terminology to describe it i will humor you.
Lets start with your use of natural selection, descibed by wiki
Natural selection is the gradual process by which heritable biological traits become either more or less common in a population as a function of the effect of inherited traits on the differential reproductive success of organisms interacting with their environment.
(So it has more to do with the environment shaping In this example it would be FPS games, most of them have sprint now in days including COD the FPS leader right now I dislike this game very much so a change to use sprint would in fact be beniftical to the game crazy huh…)
Further more Natural selection does not mean Evolution nor does it imply (Similar in type but not in token)
As described by wiki,
Evolution, also known as descent with modification, is the change in heritable phenotype traits of biological populations over successive generations. Evolutionary processes give rise to diversity at every level of biological organisation, including the level of species, individual organisms, and at the level of molecular evolution.
So in order for something to qualify as being evolved simply requires that it be a descendant that has modifications…
Halo Ce-Halo2-Halo3-Halo Wars-Halo3ODST-Halo Reach-Halo4
Reach/4 being in the descendant chain (Valid)
Reach/4 has modifications (Valid)
So your argument makes no true claim…