Annoyed with community

Ok. I am very annoyed and frustrated with this community of so called Halo fans. I have spent only a few days on these forums and I see people complaining about the same stupid things every other thread.

The DMR is overpowered
No the DMR is NOT overpowered. It works exactly as it should. If you were to make it any weaker it would no longer have any purpose and no one would use it. It is perfectly balanced with the other precision rifles. Guess what this is coming from someone whose favorite gun in the game is the Battle Rifle. That’s right the DMR is not my most used weapon and I don’t complain because it is a perfectly fair balanced weapon. I will often use it on bigger maps as its 3 times scope reaches further than the BRs 2x but again not my most used. I have 5 loadouts, 3 are BR and 2 are DMR. It’s a great weapon hat is perfect as is.

Vehicles are too weak!
This complaint really makes me laugh. I’ve never been a big fan of vehicles in Halo multiplayer (love them in campaign). I found them to be cheap and unfair. Halo 2 is was nice because the rockets can lock on having a strong counter. Now the best counter is plasma pistol and that is better balance. I still get annoyed by vehicles in Halo 4 that’s why I usually play Normal Slayer over big team because vehicles annoy me. I’m not saying they are bad I just don’t like them and they are no weaker than they should be. They are perfect not too weak to not be worth it but not too strong their reign of terror can’t be stopped. I’m not saying they are overpowered but if anything in the game is it’s vehicles not the DMR!

Ordinance is dumb
Another very dumb complaint. I’ll start with personal ordinance. I think it’s a lot of fun! I love when I get personal ordnance and can call in a weapon or power up of my choosing. It’s not like you get an ordinance every kill. And if someone gets a power weapon kill them and take it! I like that you can call in something suited to your game style and taste. You love sniping call in a sniper (if you get one) you like the energy sword cool you want to run fast cool. Now random ordinance. Well first off, when the match starts the weapons are in set places so from the start you can get a set up. Then it becomes random to me that’s exciting. You see a sniper pop up and you are like “oh snap I gotta go get that!” and you battle your way to the sniper and then start taking faces after you made it. Another this is if you don’t like the ordinance guess what they added team throwdown. Which brings me to my next topic.

Not Halo/CoD Clone/Needs the Classic Style
The complaint that it doesn’t feel like Halo baffles me. This is pure Halo. Everything from strafing, BRing, Sniping, Melee, Jumping, Grenades, It is Halo and it feels just like Halo. This game is far from a clone of CoD whether they took an idea or two from CoD or not doesn’t make it a clone. The game as a totally different feel and style than CoD nothing alike not even fair to bring CoD up. I like sprinting, JIP, and ordinance all are welcome additions that do little to change the Halo feel or style while adding some new stuff. A lot of people say they need a classic style playlist. We get Team Throwdown. If you do the v2 settings everyone starts the same, weapon drops are not random, personal ordinance is only power ups that are lost upon death. And even though people complain to death the most classic style playlist has less of a population than normal Slayer, is it really what people want? I played Halo since CE and I feel more at home playing 4 than I do playing 3 or Reach.

JIP is dumb
No. Just no. Halo needs JIP. Team Throwdown is a prime example of why. I love the settings of Team Throwdown and it is a lot of fun but I stopped playing it soley because of no JIP. The amount of times people quit and I was alone against a team of four was not fun at all.

No CSR is dumb.
This is one of the worst arguments. CSR won’t change the game. If you don’t like the game a number next to your name shouldn’t make you like it. I know the CSR is fun I enjoyed getting my 50 in Halo 2 and 3 but really how good the game is is what matters. If the -Yoink- game had CSR that wouldn’t make me play it, and if my favorite game didn’t that wouldn’t stop me. You know why? Games are for fun bottom line. If you play Halo for CSR then you are playing for the wrong reason. It’s a bonus, not a necessity and people made too big a deal out of it cheating and boosting just to get 50. I’m much happier without it. I’d rather play Halo 4 with no CSR over Halo 3 which had it because I find it to be a much more fun much better made game. Bottom line.

Too much Aim-Assist/Auto-Aim
Wow really? The amount is perfect. I feel it is at a level where aiming is not too hard not too easy. Just right. I don’t know this for a fact but I think Halo 2 had pretty close to the same amount and that is one of the series’ most beloved games (including my personal favorite).

I really feel that a lot of the complaining comes from conformity. People hear others saying it’s bad enough they start repeating it and feeling the same rather than thinking for themselves and judging the game for what it is. I feel that is the same things with why Final Fantasy XIII gets so much hate (but that is unrelated. If the population is decreasing blame yourselves not the game. You are the ones spreading the hate for this game and convincing yourselves and others it’s bad just because a few things are different. I’m not a 343 defender, I’m a good game defender. If 343 made a bad game I’d bash it, but they didn’t they made a good game and they are trying to please people. Also Halo 2 my favorite in the series is a Bungie game.
Halo 4 is a welcome addition to the series and I wish people weren’t so harsh.

Based on multiplayer I rate the halos as such
2 > 4 > CE > 3 > Reach

I’m probably going to get nothing but hate. That’s ok while this community is spending all there time complaining about a good game I’ll be playing it and having fun. Is it perfect? No and I don’t claim it is but I am more than pleased and my expectations were exceeded.
End of rant.

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> No the DMR is NOT overpowered.

I stopped reading here.

People paid money for Halo 4; they have a right to voice their opinions. The delivery can lack eloquence, but it’s a forum. A lot of Halo fans don’t like how much the game has changed, or how patches for weapons or other things haven’t been quick enough.

Bottom line, complaining amount critics won’t make them stop. It’s something you need to deal with

I wouldn’t have to complain if people didn’t ignore logic and spout nonsense about the game.

The DMR is overpowered. It has greater accuracy than the BR/Carbine and it also has a faster killtime. That isn’t even remotely balanced with either rifle. It has NO DOWNSIDES. Again, not a hard concept to grasp.

Ordnance is imbalanced. You might think it’s fun getting a rocket and going on a rampage but others actually like a fair challenge. Random Ordnance shouldn’t exist outside of Infinity Slayer, and I wish it didn’t exist at all. “If you get one”, that’s exactly the point OP.

A Ghost can be killed in a clip and a half of the DMR. Contemplate that statement.

Also if you’re so annoyed, leave the forums and go back to playing. Don’t keep making these pointless threads that don’t solve anything.

> A Ghost can be killed in a clip and a half of the DMR. Contemplate that statement.

The tank is laughable as well, as is the banshee, and the warthog… wait, are there any other vehicles to laugh at? The vehicles feel like they’re made of tissue paper to me. I don’t normally complain about anything else, but when I get into BTB I expect more than ten seconds of airtime before my Banshee loses its wings…

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I’ve made some pointless threads in my time.

But this, takes the biscuit. It’s so pointless that I am slightly suspecting a troll thread here.

Also, you should have been on the Battlelog forums back when Battlefield 3 was released. That was the worst forum I have ever been to in my life.

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Watch the skies. The guys who hate Halo 4 and feel no shame in attacking those who do are coming.

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Great a thread complaining about someone else’s opinions. It’s the worst of the worse.

LOL the DMR is indeed OP, what are you talking about? And Personal ordnance is dumb, who ever gets the luckiest wins “Oh I got a needler on BTB while that guy got a Beam rifle…”

> A Ghost can be killed in a clip and a half of the DMR. Contemplate that statement.

If a ghost can’t outrun or kill you in the time it takes to shoot a clip reload and shoot another half of a clip of the DMR. They have no right to be mad.

Vehicles are cheap and OP I think it is good they are finally able to be destroyed SOMEWHAT easily. I played this match on exile this guy got on the gun of a warthog at the start of the match got over 30 kills before he was killed then only got like 1 or 2 the rest of the match. Vehicles take no skill and are not weak.

Again DMR is not overpowered. If it gets nerfed it would be useless. I use the BR more when most of the people in the match are using DMRs I go positive. If I get killed the person was better than me or outsmarted me etc. I don’t blame the gun.

> > A Ghost can be killed in a clip and a half of the DMR. Contemplate that statement.
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> If a ghost can’t outrun or kill you in the time it takes to shoot a clip reload and shoot another half of a clip of the DMR. They have no right to be mad.
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> Vehicles are cheap and OP I think it is good they are finally able to be destroyed SOMEWHAT easily. I played this match on exile this guy got on the gun of a warthog at the start of the match got over 30 kills before he was killed then only got like 1 or 2 the rest of the match. Vehicles take no skill and are not weak.
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> Again DMR is not overpowered. If it gets nerfed it would be useless. I use the BR more when most of the people in the match are using DMRs I go positive. If I get killed the person was better than me or outsmarted me etc. I don’t blame the gun.

If you don’t like vehicles go to a different game. Vehicles are a staple of Halo and are essentially power weapons. For they to be treated as toys is asinine.

The DMR is very overpowered, if only for the bullet magnetism alone.

Human Weapons Magnetism

> > A Ghost can be killed in a clip and a half of the DMR. Contemplate that statement.
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> If a ghost can’t outrun or kill you in the time it takes to shoot a clip reload and shoot another half of a clip of the DMR. They have no right to be mad.
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> Vehicles are cheap and OP I think it is good they are finally able to be destroyed SOMEWHAT easily. I played this match on exile this guy got on the gun of a warthog at the start of the match got over 30 kills before he was killed then only got like 1 or 2 the rest of the match. Vehicles take no skill and are not weak.
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> Again DMR is not overpowered. If it gets nerfed it would be useless. I use the BR more when most of the people in the match are using DMRs I go positive. If I get killed the person was better than me or outsmarted me etc. I don’t blame the gun.

The DMR HAS NO DOWNSIDES. I don’t care if you play against less skilled players, it is obviously the best choice when teams are even remotely equal in skill.

It needs downsides to be balanced, otherwise it is a straight upgrade. Nerfing it to be better at long range but worse at close range doesn’t make it useless. It makes it a BALANCED OPTION.

You have seven teammates in BTB. If they all focus fire on a ghost it takes 3-4 shots from each of them.

> > A Ghost can be killed in a clip and a half of the DMR. Contemplate that statement.
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> If a ghost can’t outrun or kill you in the time it takes to shoot a clip reload and shoot another half of a clip of the DMR. They have no right to be mad.
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> Vehicles are cheap and OP I think it is good they are finally able to be destroyed SOMEWHAT easily. I played this match on exile this guy got on the gun of a warthog at the start of the match got over 30 kills before he was killed then only got like 1 or 2 the rest of the match. Vehicles take no skill and are not weak.
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> Again DMR is not overpowered. If it gets nerfed it would be useless. I use the BR more when most of the people in the match are using DMRs I go positive. If I get killed the person was better than me or outsmarted me etc. I don’t blame the gun.

The Gauss Hog on Exile is not an example of vehicles being overpowered, it’s an example of that map not being designed and balanced well. If both teams had a Gauss it would play out far differently - or if the Gauss didn’t have a nice loop to poke it’s head back and forth between safely. Blame map design and lack of a Beta test.

DMR is overpowered, that isn’t an opinion, it’s been thoroughly tested for accuracy, range, RoF, bullet magnestism and more. It is better than every weapon in every way. It’s a fact. That you’re better with the BR is what’s called a statistical outlier.

(ok BR is good in SWAT because of the spread, only need 1 bullet for a HS, but the spread actually works against you when a plyer has shields, any movement and it won’t take them down.)

> Ordnance is imbalanced. You might think it’s fun getting a rocket and going on a rampage but others actually like a fair challenge. Random Ordnance shouldn’t exist outside of Infinity Slayer, and I wish it didn’t exist at all. “If you get one”, that’s exactly the point OP.

Well you get 3 choices part of the fun is choosing the best at what you are given and putting it to the best use you can. Also I’m excited to unlock the armor mod to re-roll the ordinance that will be cool.

It’s impossible for some luck to not be involved in a game, Halo 4 is still very skill base and as I said if people dislike ordinance why are the playlists without it less popular?

At least the luck in this game isn’t like Halo 3 where you had to hope your gun worked right and your bullets registered.

> > Ordnance is imbalanced. You might think it’s fun getting a rocket and going on a rampage but others actually like a fair challenge. Random Ordnance shouldn’t exist outside of Infinity Slayer, and I wish it didn’t exist at all. “If you get one”, that’s exactly the point OP.
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> Well you get 3 choices part of the fun is choosing the best at what you are given and putting it to the best use you can. Also I’m excited to unlock the armor mod to re-roll the ordinance that will be cool.
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> It’s impossible for some luck to not be involved in a game, Halo 4 is still very skill base and as I said if people dislike ordinance why are the playlists without it less popular?
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> At least the luck in this game isn’t like Halo 3 where you had to hope your gun worked right and your bullets registered.

Look at Halo CE. Magnum had travel time. Magnetism was almost non-existent. Players moved fast by default. Aim assist was almost non-existent. Very few power weapons on the map or in the game in general. The person who won was the person who had the best aim.

Halo 4 is nothing like that.

“Is it impossible for some luck to not be involved in the game”. Luck in encounters or lucky shots are determined by the players themselves. Luck in which weapon you are given is determined by the game, player has no control.

“Why are playlists without it less popular?”

The combined total for all playlists without Personal Ordnance matches or beats Infinity Slayer. Just because I don’t like ordnance doesn’t necessarily mean I like every playlist without ordnance either. I might not like Team Snipers for instance.

Throwdown isn’t popular because the competitives can’t agree on settings and their favorite maps haven’t been implemented.

> Well you get 3 choices part of the fun is choosing the best at what you are given and putting it to the best use you can. Also I’m excited to unlock the armor mod to re-roll the ordinance that will be cool.

So like finding weapons on the map when every other weapon is taken…

Requisition is game breaking IMO. If I get a sticky detonator and decide to re-roll I will always get something the same or better. It vastly increases how many times you get decent power weapons instead of low-tier ones.

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So, you are complaining about complainers complaining about the game? ok…

> If you don’t like vehicles go to a different game. Vehicles are a staple of Halo and are essentially power weapons. For they to be treated as toys is asinine.

Again I’m not hating on vehicles I agree with you. I love them in the campaign and they are useful in objective gametypes they just annoy me in slayer which is a preference not a fact and I admit that because I know the difference between opinion and fact unlock people here.

I said that is why I usually play normal slayer over BTB because only Complex and Harvest have vehicles.

I just think it is crazy people say they are weak. If they were any stronger they would least the entire match! I never would have even thought weak vehicles is something people would complain about until I read these forums. I saw the complaint and was like “What are they serious they must want to be invincible.”

I still see no problem with DMR and this is coming from someone who was worried. I was so happy when I found out the DMR was coming back and when I found out the DMR was also I thought “one has to be better why have 2 precision UNSC rifles” however when I played I was pleasantly surprised at how well they balance out so I don’t know what people are complaining about. If they change the DMR at all I hope you are happy that one of the most fun/useful weapons becomes pointless.

uhhh yeah JiP is the worst thing to ever come into halo idc if you just like being able to hop into an already started game the only reason they can get away with that some games is the fact that initial weapon spawns are not good.

You saying that it should be in Team Throwdown is about the dumbest thing ever do you Know what the tea throdown playlist is supposed to be for? its the competitive playlist although with extreme flaws by not adding in the better competitive maps that we want but we have to live with the Elitist old washed up “pro” players who really were only good for a year or two ruin the possible settings we could have.

As for ordinance are you freaking out of your mind, this is exactly what 343 wanted you to think “oh thats so cool i can get my own power weapon without needing to do anything for it, and sniper’s are the easiest since ever yippeeee”

I hopped on Halo 3 last night for a friendly 1v1 and instantly before i even played the game just from the menu and music i was reminded “oh yeah this is fun and what halo should be right now”

Somebody needs to restart the gaming cycle, theres only so many ideas that are good gaming devs can do so the next step is to go back to the past and see what worked really well or else every console shooter will be similar and idk about you but id like to play games for different reason’s.

Phat Demon why do you still not get it?

The DMR is better. In every single way. Than either the carbine. Or the Battle Rifle.

Here’s evidence if you refuse to believe me.

The only weapon the DMR is even arguably balanced with is the Lightrifle. The BR and Carbine are complete trash.

Nerfing the DMR or Buffing the BR and Carbine to a similar level doesn’t hurt the game, it fixes the balance issues it has.

Right now, there is no reason for me to pick the BR or Carbine. The Lightrifle is just as good at medium range if you know how to abuse it, and the DMR is better at long range.

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…Oh wait, he’s serious.

DMR not OP?

Vehicles are not weak?

Ordinance does not cause imbalance?

CSR is a bad idea?

Halo does not need its classic style/core gameplay???

And yet despite all of this you still rate Halo 2 as your best Halo MM experience, a game which has no DMR, strong vehicles, no ordinance, CSR and is nothing but Halo’s core gameplay?