Anders vs Brute Chieftain on Chasms

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I have been watching while my TS 40-41 friend (Brute) has beaten TS 45 I MarcoStyle NL (Anders) about 9-1 on Chasms.

http://www.halowars.com/stats/StatsGame.aspx?Id=63930423-3056-3269-6700-000000000000
http://www.halowars.com/stats/StatsGame.aspx?Id=91709857-1587-1116-5460-000000000000

There is not all the games (I guess the update of the halowars.com is still little unstable). However after 10 games it was 9-1 for Brute.

It looks so easy to play with Brute. He does not have to scout or micro units. He does not even bother to ram enemy infantry early on (uses his chopper to collect supplies). Then he takes hook(s) and destroys enemy with superior unit production.

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> I have been watching while my TS 40-41 friend (Brute) has beaten TS 45 I MarcoStyle NL (Anders) about 9-1 on Chasms.
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> There is not all the games (I guess the update of the halowars.com is still little unstable). However after 10 games it was 9-1 for Brute.
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> It looks so easy to play with Brute. He does not have to scout or micro units. Just take hook(s) and destroy enemy with superior unit production.

i dont get it , he made no jackals in all those games, hook control should be totally in favor of marco ? but looking at the resources it wasnt

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where are all the good prophets?!!!

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In early game Brute Chieftain is enough to hold his own hook. Later banshees are enough to control both hooks (if it even is necessary anymore). Brute builds his army with 2 x Summit or 1 x Summit + 1 x Factory. UNSC can only do infantry + scorpions/hornets. After a while Brute has a huge lead in units and it is GG.

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brute is far to easy to play.

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> brute is far to easy to play.

Maybe that is why he has the best infantry in game (brutes beat ODST), best scout in the game (brute chopper is something to avoid before gunner), best anti-infantry tools etc. Makes game more balanced. O.o

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I’ll play against your friend on that map. I guarantee you he won’t go 9-1 against me. =)

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> I’ll play against your friend on that map. I guarantee you he won’t go 9-1 against me. =)

Shut up, baddie.

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When can you come online? He has to leave within an hour. Sent an XBox live message to me when you are ready.

I MarcoStyle NL just told that he will quit 1v1s if you lose to my friend. O.o It is that bad already. =)

He has been beating GGC KenZboT also after I MarcoStyle NL got frustrated. Seems that Brute loses only when he messes up a lot. My friend is only TS 41 so his micro is not that good. Currently he has lost 2 games out of 15.

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> When can you come online?

I have to go to class now, but I’ll be online in around 4 hours.

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> > When can you come online?
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> I have to go to class now, but I’ll be online in around 4 hours.

the hell do you live?

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> When can you come online? He has to leave within an hour. Sent an XBox live message to me when you are ready.
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> I MarcoStyle NL just told that he will quit 1v1s if you lose to my friend. O.o It is that bad already. =)
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> He has been beating GGC KenZboT also after I MarcoStyle NL got frustrated. Seems that Brute loses only when he messes up a lot. My friend is only TS 41 so his micro is not that good. Currently he has lost 2 games out of 15.

he won’t win against bb’s anders unless he makes mistakes and is map screwed.

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Ok. That will not happen then. My friend has to leave before that (he has night work and it is 0:35 am here in Finland).

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More stats:

http://www.halowars.com/stats/StatsGame.aspx?Id=55443364-3522-5454-4070-000000000000
http://www.halowars.com/stats/StatsGame.aspx?Id=16099745-8501-2690-0422-000000000000

P.S. I would post those 2 losses also but those are not available from www.halowars.com.

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> > > When can you come online?
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> > I have to go to class now, but I’ll be online in around 4 hours.
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> the hell do you live?

New York.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rcw3aFEs8qM&context=C4ef4114ADvjVQa1PpcFOR2yF7XM7nsy4RdLql7vhdkB9INpnanIo=

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Looks Stupid

Only thing needed to beat much higher skill players was to mix up wraiths and banshees. No need for scouting, no need for jackals/hunters. No need even to take enemy’s hook.

It is enough for Brute to control his hook to (almost) double pump mixture of banshees and wraiths. It is pretty stupid. I saw how hard I MarcoStyle NL and GGC KenZboT were trying. Scouting, trying to ram brutes, microing spartans to take wraiths. All for nothing.

My friend made even huge mistakes (like selling accidentally his 99 % complete warehouse which was 3rd building). Still he won easily.

Flamers/Spartans/Hogs are not any good when outnumbered by wraiths/banshees. It takes same time to train wraith and hog (26 s). Covenant can train 2 x Banshees (15 s) while UNSC gets 1 x scorpion (36 s).

Supplies Required per Minute for Covenant:

To single pump banshees : 200 x 60 / 16 = 800
To single pump wraiths : 350 x 60 / 26 = 808

To double produce banshees : 2 x 200 x 60 / 15 = 1600
To double produce wraiths : 2 x 350 x 60 / 26 = 1616

To single pump banshees + single pump wraiths : 800 + 808 = 1608

Production from 4 x Blessed Warehouse + 1 x elevator = 1305

Production efficiency : 1305 / 1608 = 81 %

Supplies Required per Minute for UNSC:

To single pump hogs : 350 x 60 / 26 = 346
To single pump scorpions : 500 x 60 / 36 = 833

To single pump hogs + single pump scorpions : 346 + 833 = 1179

Production from 3 x Heavy Supply Pad + 1 x elevator = 1125

Production efficiency : 1125 / 1179 = 95 %

Conclusion

By controlling at least one supply hook Brute chieftain can produce wraith against every warthog (grenadier) and 2 x banshee against every scorpion. If UNSC goes to tech 3 he has no supplies to build army. Brute needs only Temple without upgrades (saves money compared 2 x reactor, 400 + Brute Chieftain vs 750).

P.S. Please, prove all this wrong. O.o

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Yeah, I’ve always found the Brute Chieftan to be just a tad (an understatement) too powerful against pretty much anything else. Even against the AI, I’m not sure I’ve ever beaten a Brute in 1v1. Of course, I never play on Easy or Normal, but still…

Point is, Brute is too powerful, though I still prefer to use the Arbiter when it comes to Covenant.

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If your friend doesn’t get a hall… why not spam flamers and warthogs at his base? O.o

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> If your friend doesn’t get a hall… why not spam flamers and warthogs at his base? O.o

because that isn’t fair to the brute.