Hi folks,
What do you think about the current Status of Anders sentinels. I heard they should be quite strong, but in my experience they die to banshes and hornets pretty easily.
The Retriever sentinel wont get veterancy and is not very strong in the lategame for the population.
The codiak spawned sentinals are fine in my opinion.
Whats your experience here ?
In my experience, mass sentinels are a frightfully strong late game unit. nuchey at Really Good Gaming actually did some unit comparisons a while back and he showed them easily beating banshees and hornets. They are reasonably weak in the early and mid game which I think is good but if you can get Air level 3, both unit upgrades, and sentinel synergy, they will wipe almost any army, especially when the y ability is used. The only air that they really lose to is the mass vulture phoenix missile. If I am anders in a team game and I know ill have a hot second to do a full tech switch, I will use them. Before the late game though I’m mostly going Kodiaks, hogs, and retriever.
I agree that the veterency issue needs to be fixed. Its really lame not being rewarded for good retriever micro but I can also see how strong a vet 3 retriever should be.
Anders very good leader. Well rounded.
Retriever sentinel amazing unit. Better then a condor
Sentinels are great support units.
Sentinels are broken atm. They should not be bale to beat t3 hornets
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> Sentinels are broken atm. They should not be bale to beat t3 hornets
Sentinels beat them because of their explode on death and with the shield.
If they can’t beat hornets no point in running them if Air counters an air unit.
Hornets all ready beat Banshees.
They could use a supply increase to 4 again but increasing their base stats. So that weakens their strength while massed but has them more useful in smaller numbers because right now they are fairly weak until you have tons of them.
Their y ability is broken at the moment, or perhaps it was initially broken since it feels like it doesn’t actually target units you target instead hitting anyone in front. (Could by what they meant by making it aoe).
Do you think retriver is worth the cost and pop ? Or could it take a light Buff in lategame ? It seems incredible weak as soon as 2 wolverines or reaver appear on the field.
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> Do you think retriver is worth the cost and pop ? Or could it take a light Buff in lategame ? It seems incredible weak as soon as 2 wolverines or reaver appear on the field.
I think the Retriever is good as it is. Getting Veterancy (and the normal sentinels) would be good as well.
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> Do you think retriver is worth the cost and pop ? Or could it take a light Buff in lategame ? It seems incredible weak as soon as 2 wolverines or reaver appear on the field.
I think a well microed retriever is one of the best unit drops in the game. I have turned around some pretty bleak games with that bad boy.
Sentinel is without a doubt powerful and even more powerful after a sucessful hog rush where one is forced to AV so they lack the power and firepower to quickly destroy the retriever and far worse if you failed to manage your economy just even slightly.
well I think they should be HEAVILY NERFED I just went into a game with a max pop of T3 wolverines, against a whole army of sents and i lost all my wolverines and he didn’t loose half of his sents… soo im going to say they are broken as hell. anti air doesnt beat air??? what kind of sense does that make?
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> well I think they should be HEAVILY NERFED I just went into a game with a max pop of T3 wolverines, against a whole army of sents and i lost all my wolverines and he didn’t loose half of his sents… soo im going to say they are broken as hell. anti air doesnt beat air??? what kind of sense does that make?
Wolverines beat them, Reavers do not.
Whatever you did was wrong you either
Didn’t micro
Didn’t split
Or was behind Vehicle upgrades while Air was maxed out.
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> In my experience, mass sentinels are a frightfully strong late game unit. nuchey at Really Good Gaming actually did some unit comparisons a while back and he showed them easily beating banshees and hornets. They are reasonably weak in the early and mid game which I think is good but if you can get Air level 3, both unit upgrades, and sentinel synergy, they will wipe almost any army, especially when the y ability is used. The only air that they really lose to is the mass vulture phoenix missile. If I am anders in a team game and I know ill have a hot second to do a full tech switch, I will use them. Before the late game though I’m mostly going Kodiaks, hogs, and retriever.
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> I agree that the veterency issue needs to be fixed. Its really lame not being rewarded for good retriever micro but I can also see how strong a vet 3 retriever should be.
I wish they were better early game but cost 4 pop to reduce late game spam
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> > well I think they should be HEAVILY NERFED I just went into a game with a max pop of T3 wolverines, against a whole army of sents and i lost all my wolverines and he didn’t loose half of his sents… soo im going to say they are broken as hell. anti air doesnt beat air??? what kind of sense does that make?
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> Wolverines beat them, Reavers do not.
> Whatever you did was wrong you either
> Didn’t micro
> Didn’t split
> Or was behind Vehicle upgrades while Air was maxed out.
I had maxed out tech for them, and i had a decent seperation between them i even had anti air turrets on my base that i was defending. and to be honest how good micro should you really need if your whole army is the counter unit to the army your attacking. now im not saying my macro was terrible it was decent, it wasnt amazing…but he kinda just put his sents on top my wolverines and they didnt focus fire on me or anything. they wern’t microed the best. he used no leader powers that i saw, he didnt have anything other then sents… now I can understand why people would think I did something wrong, but I have been a long time halo wars player sense the first one came out. I understand the game a fair bit. im no expert but im no noob ether, I get plat regularly and diamond on occasion.
If they were nerfed they’d become completely useless, good in a large group but individually they are like tissue paper. They’re only really good when you have the appropriate upgrades.
If you had full pop of t3 wolverines backed up by turrets, the sentinels would be dead pretty damn quick. I would guess there was something else going on. Lp’s or kodiak support that you hadn’t noticed maybe.
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> > > well I think they should be HEAVILY NERFED I just went into a game with a max pop of T3 wolverines, against a whole army of sents and i lost all my wolverines and he didn’t loose half of his sents… soo im going to say they are broken as hell. anti air doesnt beat air??? what kind of sense does that make?
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> > Wolverines beat them, Reavers do not.
> > Whatever you did was wrong you either
> > Didn’t micro
> > Didn’t split
> > Or was behind Vehicle upgrades while Air was maxed out.
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> I had maxed out tech for them, and i had a decent seperation between them i even had anti air turrets on my base that i was defending. and to be honest how good micro should you really need if your whole army is the counter unit to the army your attacking. now im not saying my macro was terrible it was decent, it wasnt amazing…but he kinda just put his sents on top my wolverines and they didnt focus fire on me or anything. they wern’t microed the best. he used no leader powers that i saw, he didnt have anything other then sents… now I can understand why people would think I did something wrong, but I have been a long time halo wars player sense the first one came out. I understand the game a fair bit. im no expert but im no noob ether, I get plat regularly and diamond on occasion.
Plats alright.
Diamonds pretty good imo
If she used her Sentinel Network which it sounds like she did, that’d probably be the main reason you lost the. That ability stuns vehicles on hit like an Anvil round and does a ton of damage, Sentinels are tricky to beat and need some sort of change, going back to 4 pop would probably balance out the mass spam of 60 of them flying around so freely…
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> > > > well I think they should be HEAVILY NERFED I just went into a game with a max pop of T3 wolverines, against a whole army of sents and i lost all my wolverines and he didn’t loose half of his sents… soo im going to say they are broken as hell. anti air doesnt beat air??? what kind of sense does that make?
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> > > Wolverines beat them, Reavers do not.
> > > Whatever you did was wrong you either
> > > Didn’t micro
> > > Didn’t split
> > > Or was behind Vehicle upgrades while Air was maxed out.
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> > I had maxed out tech for them, and i had a decent seperation between them i even had anti air turrets on my base that i was defending. and to be honest how good micro should you really need if your whole army is the counter unit to the army your attacking. now im not saying my macro was terrible it was decent, it wasnt amazing…but he kinda just put his sents on top my wolverines and they didnt focus fire on me or anything. they wern’t microed the best. he used no leader powers that i saw, he didnt have anything other then sents… now I can understand why people would think I did something wrong, but I have been a long time halo wars player sense the first one came out. I understand the game a fair bit. im no expert but im no noob ether, I get plat regularly and diamond on occasion.
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> Plats alright.
> Diamonds pretty good imo
> If she used her Sentinel Network which it sounds like she did, that’d probably be the main reason you lost the. That ability stuns vehicles on hit like an Anvil round and does a ton of damage, Sentinels are tricky to beat and need some sort of change, going back to 4 pop would probably balance out the mass spam of 60 of them flying around so freely…
This just reinforces my statement that AA does not beat air. so yes they should require a little more pop, and maybe dial back the against V by say 5-10% nothing major, they would still be effective against buildings which I personally always though was there main target anyway, they would still have there V stun but then it would be a lot more balanced.
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> > > > > well I think they should be HEAVILY NERFED I just went into a game with a max pop of T3 wolverines, against a whole army of sents and i lost all my wolverines and he didn’t loose half of his sents… soo im going to say they are broken as hell. anti air doesnt beat air??? what kind of sense does that make?
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> > > > Wolverines beat them, Reavers do not.
> > > > Whatever you did was wrong you either
> > > > Didn’t micro
> > > > Didn’t split
> > > > Or was behind Vehicle upgrades while Air was maxed out.
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> This just reinforces my statement that AA does not beat air. so yes they should require a little more pop, and maybe dial back the against V by say 5-10% nothing major, they would still be effective against buildings which I personally always though was there main target anyway, they would still have there V stun but then it would be a lot more balanced.
AA is doing very fine believe me it has been tested over and over.
As someone else mentioned already the only imbalances with air is Deci/Banshees, Arby/Phantoms, Anders/Sentinels
The first of the 2 are issues of LPs - not the units themselves.
Anders Sentinels need to be toned down i agree but a pop change should do the trick.
All of them can be prevented by striking early and prevent him from building an whole army of them.
As many times been said - if you dont scout your enemy and let him build a full pop air army you deserve to be in massive trouble.
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> > In my experience, mass sentinels are a frightfully strong late game unit. nuchey at Really Good Gaming actually did some unit comparisons a while back and he showed them easily beating banshees and hornets. They are reasonably weak in the early and mid game which I think is good but if you can get Air level 3, both unit upgrades, and sentinel synergy, they will wipe almost any army, especially when the y ability is used. The only air that they really lose to is the mass vulture phoenix missile. If I am anders in a team game and I know ill have a hot second to do a full tech switch, I will use them. Before the late game though I’m mostly going Kodiaks, hogs, and retriever.
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> > I agree that the veterency issue needs to be fixed. Its really lame not being rewarded for good retriever micro but I can also see how strong a vet 3 retriever should be.
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> I wish they were better early game but cost 4 pop to reduce late game spam
Metaloid, Naka and I were talking on Naka’s stream. We all thought it would be a good idea to increase their population so that you get less force overall when your at full pop but buff the unit individually so it actually has a place in the game before the 20 min mark.
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> In my experience, mass sentinels are a frightfully strong late game unit. nuchey at Really Good Gaming actually did some unit comparisons a while back and he showed them easily beating banshees and hornets. They are reasonably weak in the early and mid game which I think is good but if you can get Air level 3, both unit upgrades, and sentinel synergy, they will wipe almost any army, especially when the y ability is used. If I am anders in a team game and I know ill have a hot second to do a full tech switch, I will use them. Before the late game though I’m mostly going Kodiaks, hogs, and retriever.
This. It usually works out best for me if i use Anders’ econ advantage to put together hogs, wolves, and kodiaks. And like THEWALL766 said, If i know i’ll have a hot second to do a full tech switch, I will spam sentinals. That being said maybe they should cost me more than 3 pop…