What if the flood never attacked ancient humans? Would Humans beat the forerunners and take the mantle? Could they be stronger than the Forerunners?
I believe they could.
Considering they were able to hold off the Flood and the Forerunners for a considerable long time, I’d have to say yes.
There’s really no way to know. It depends on whether you think history is the result of the progress of inevitable forces or the result of the decisions of key individuals. One key general or soldier could bring victory or defeat for either side.
If they did beat the Forruners which I beleive they could have how would they even be able to know what the mantle is and follow its rules.
The way I understand it is that the Forruners learnt about it through the domain which in turn was created by the Prcursors who held it in the first place.
My knowlege of what the domain is is a bit sketchy though. Could humans even have the physical capablility of using the domain?
Another questinon I have is what would ancient humanity have done to the forruners if they had won? Im acturally really interested in how both sides would have reacted if the tables were turned.
Would they even take they even follow the rules?
The humans were to get the mantle in the first place and wiped out dozens of infected systems to halt the floods growth and spread.
They didn’t use BS politics,they didn’t blame somebody else for their actions. They took responsibility as nobody else would have and tried their best to protect the galaxy without killing everything.
If we could act as such 10 million and thousand years ago we can now.
> The humans were to get the mantle in the first place and wiped out dozens of infected systems to halt the floods growth and spread.
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> They didn’t use BS politics,they didn’t blame somebody else for their actions. They took responsibility as nobody else would have and tried their best to protect the galaxy without killing everything.
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> <mark>If we could act as such 10 million and thousand years ago we can now.</mark>
Ha. Good luck with that.
> The humans were to get the mantle in the first place and wiped out dozens of infected systems to halt the floods growth and spread.
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> They didn’t use BS politics,they didn’t blame somebody else for their actions. They took responsibility as nobody else would have and tried their best to protect the galaxy without killing everything.
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> If we could act as such 10 million and thousand years ago we can now.
You conveniently left out the part where Humanity wiped out 50 star systems containing innocent alien civilizations aswell as the numerous Forerunner’s they killed.
There hand’s are no more clean then the Forerunner’s.
> > The humans were to get the mantle in the first place and wiped out dozens of infected systems to halt the floods growth and spread.
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> > They didn’t use BS politics,they didn’t blame somebody else for their actions. They took responsibility as nobody else would have and tried their best to protect the galaxy without killing everything.
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> > If we could act as such 10 million and thousand years ago we can now.
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> You conveniently left out the part where Humanity wiped out 50 star systems containing innocent alien civilizations aswell as the numerous Forerunner’s they killed.
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> There hand’s are no more clean then the Forerunner’s.
Those were in response to Flood infestations.
> Those were in response to Flood infestations.
Not always, a lot of it was forceful acquisition to place there population away from the Flood. Nor does it excuse it either. Some dialogue with the Forerunner’s would have saved a lot of trouble.
Double post, sorry.
> > Those were in response to Flood infestations.
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> Not always, a lot of it was forceful acquisition to place there population away from the Flood. Nor does it excuse it either. Some dialogue with the Forerunner’s would have saved a lot of trouble.
And that information is…where?
> > > Those were in response to Flood infestations.
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> > Not always, a lot of it was forceful acquisition to place there population away from the Flood. Nor does it excuse it either. Some dialogue with the Forerunner’s would have saved a lot of trouble.
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> And that information is…where?
Pages 113 and 130 of Cryptum.
Anyway, a lot of it was not forceful acquisition. From both Halo 4’s terminals and Silentium it appears that a lot of it was glassings to contain Flood infestations.
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> “While pushing back human forces, Forerunners had come upon system after system where Humans had wiped out entire species and civilizations, or subjugated them to their own schemes - as they had with the decadent and beautiful San-Shyuum.”
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> “Facing apparent evidence of our enemy’s rapacious cruelty, the Old Council decided that Humanity as a species was guilty of crimes against the Mantle. I agreed - at first. Later, when we realized humans had made great efforts to fight the Flood, and that many of their so called atrocities had been carried out with that in mind, I changed that opinion.”
I’d say that forceful acquisitions were very rare given that the Lifeworkers actually tried to make a case to the Old Council in favour of sparing Human civilization. It doesn’t seem sensible to me that they would change their opinions if they were wrong, and then argue for a species that repeatedly and violently took worlds from other species. That is an indefensible position they would have, and they would know it. Bear in mind that the source of this 50 defenceless worlds and of Humanity sowing their conquests with colonies is coming from what is essentially the Ur-Didact as well. He isn’t the most impartial source of information.
Any forceful acquisitions that did occur, even though they are not justified by the Flood, were not motivated by malicious intent but out of desperation. They would not have occurred had the Flood not attacked. Therefore Human nature isn’t solely to blame. That sets them apart from the Builder’s desire to see Humanity purged for political gain.
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> You conveniently left out the part where Humanity wiped out 50 star systems containing innocent alien civilizations aswell as the numerous Forerunner’s they killed.
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> There hand’s are no more clean then the Forerunner’s.
And you ignorantly forgot that it was explained that those systems were fully infected by the flood.
> . I agreed-at first. Later, when we realized humans had made great efforts to fight the Flood, and that many of their so-called atrocities had been carried out with that in mind, I changed that opinion.
This was shown in the terminals as well.
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> > And you ignorantly forgot that it was explained that those systems were fully infected by the flood.
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> Not all of them.
Point being? The humans forcing races to work with them to stop the flood shouldn’t merit them ill in any sense. At least they weren’t out right enslaving races just because they could like the forerunners.
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> Work with them? They outright conquered them! Forerunners didn’t enslave.
Now you are just talking abject nonsense that is by and large inconsistent with the fiction from a thematic level to a factual level. I’m pretty sure you will find no case backing up what you just said.
> No they would not have been capable in the least bit. They were technologically inferior in every way, and not until they reverse engineered Forerunner tech, did they do well at all.
When did it say they reverse-engineered Forerunner technology?