Am I bad for the community?

Games Halo 5: Guardians
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I am asking this, because I need to know. So, I’ll begin by admitting that I was okay with Halo 5, even Halo 4. But I am also perfectly okay with all past Halo games. Regardless of the changes, in general, I have found that I am always okay with Halo games, and Halo related media. I guess you could call me a fanboy… but seeing as how I’ve been a fan since I was 4 years old(2003, Halo: CE was my first video game ever), it’s fair to say I am rather loyal.

I can see why people are complaining about Halo 5, as can I see why people complained about Halo 4. Even the Master Chief Collection. But even after experiencing all of these games from the very beginning, going through MCC’s server issues, Halo 4’s radical changes, and Halo 5, I can still safely say I hold no malice against 343 Industries. (And while I’m on this topic, I also hold no malice for Bungie, for leaving.)

The MCC, for example. Was I extremely let down when the servers were broken for days, weeks? Yes. but in the end, I was just happy they eventually fixed it. This isn’t me treating 343 Industries special, I will gladly forgive any and every person for a mistake if it is fixed in the end. I just… don’t enjoy being negative. Negativity just makes me feel bad. Assuming people are bad, criticizing or hating a game because I wasn’t completely satisfied… these are things that hurt me more than they would ever hurt whoever I was ‘targeting’. It would ruin the experience even more than it already was.

To try and balance this, I never speak official word of praise for video games. I’m not supportive, but I’m not destructive, either. I try to balance it out, to avoid affecting the community, or the game, or the franchise. I let those who know better than me, those who have much better opinions than me, I let them handle the criticism. It just isn’t for me. Criticizing.

I still respect Bungie, I respect 343 Industries just as well. I will mention that I am not completely satisfied with Halo 5, and I hope things are better in Halo 6, but I can still say I don’t dislike 343’s Halo. I try not to treat 343 Industries as ‘gods’, but I will still defend them. Not just because it’s them, but because I am a strong supporter of positivity, of assuming the best of people. When someone makes an accusation against something, whether it be 343 Industries, Coca-Cola, or even a governing leader, I don’t just blindly praise them. What I DO say is that if we don’t know for sure, if we don’t have completely solid evidence, it’s best to not assume they are bad people, or have bad intentions.

All this being said, I don’t mind things such as sprint. But, I also don’t mind things such as not having sprint. I already know, and can already admit, that no matter which way 343 Industries decides to go, I will be okay with the game. The majority of the fanbase decides, and I’m along for the ride. So long as no super-incredibly-major changes take place to Halo’s storytelling, or Halo’s core gameplay. (ie, if they removed jumping functionality, for an extreme example). Now, you could argue that Spartan Abilities are a major change to Halo’s core gameplay. But to me, I consider it simply another layer. An addition, isn’t necessarily changing what’s there.

So, am I bad for the community? Am I doing more harm than good to Halo? I must know. The best way to find this answer is to ask the very people I am potentially ruining things for. I have been told before I am ruining the franchise, but those people haven’t necessarily understood my entire circumstances as all of you do now.

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No, you are perfectly fine for the community, you’re just neutral to 343 it seems like. I personally don’t like the way 343 is doing some things but I still think Halo 5 is an awesome game.

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Buddy, you are much healthier for the community than you think. I think more people should follow your example.

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How dare you not chose a side between 343 and bungie and whats this saying that all the halo games are good and having this patience to wait for a game to be fixed and be happy with it! Get out we don’t need that kind of person here

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You’re a moderate, there’s nothing wrong with that it’s just your opinion. I sort of feel the same way. Sure there are a few things that Halo 5 got wrong, but there is also a lot of things that I think it got right. And with these monthly updates that 343 is implementing I feel like Halo 5 is only going to keep getting better.

At least they listen to their community, you can’t exactly say that about most developers in the industry these days. God knows EA won’t do -Yoink- about Battlefront except in the form of paid DLC and for the most part CoD doesn’t exactly change a lot after its launched either.

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Why would you be bad for the community? You seem pretty low profile, you don’t post unless it’s worth too. You just play Halo 5 because you enjoy Halo. You will probably buy Halo 6 to 18 because it would have Halo in the title. To answer your question NO you are not bad for the community. :slight_smile:

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Yes and no.

Gaming has become so bad these days because it’s now mainstream and full of complacent consumers. People who are not smart with their money and who will waste it on pretty much anything put in front of them. People who will buy broken games on day one and gleefully wait a year for those games to be patched, while acting surprised at anyone “too impatient” or “too entitled” to put up with this nonsense. People who will pay hundreds of dollars in DLC and Micro-transactions.

If you prefer the new gameplay changes then fine. It’s not an opinion I really respect, but it is one I’ll acknowledge as valid. However, no one should be defending terrible business practices like delayed and drip-fed content, deceptive marketing, or micro-transactions. Those are things that affect each and every one of us, negatively.

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I’d be willing to bet OP is actually what most of the people playing Halo are like. And especially those who read the forums, but rarely, if ever, comment.

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I give credit when it is due, but criticize when that is necessary. If you don’t say anything then 343 has nothing to work with. If you never say what is good, then they have to figure that out themselves. If you never say anything is bad then the same is true.

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Same on so many levels. I am very much with you.

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> Yes and no.
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> Gaming has become so bad these days because it’s now mainstream and full of complacent consumers. People who are not smart with their money and who will waste it on pretty much anything put in front of them. People who will buy broken games on day one and gleefully wait a year for those games to be patched. People who will pay hundreds of dollars in DLC and Micro-transactions.
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> If you prefer the new gameplay changes then fine. It’s not an opinion I really respect, but it is one I’ll acknowledge as valid. However, no one should be defending terrible business practices like delayed and drip-fed content, deceptive marketing, or micro-transactions. Those are things that affect all of us, negatively.

Agreed. I for one do like the Halo 5’s new gameplay quite a bit, and its Forge is phenomenal. But, that is where my support and praise ends. 343 has been getting away with -Yoink- business practices the whole time they’ve been working on Halo 5, first by misadvertising the -Yoink- out of a story we never got and misleading us as to the content of this game. And now they take they sweet -Yoinking!- time to slowly drip in content that should have been in the game at launch and then counting it toward their free dlc plan. What they’re doing is lazy and inexcusable, and they should have had the self respect to not release Halo 5 in the state it was/currently still is. And the tragic thing is what 343 is doing doesn’t even come close to the -Yoink- level scumbag practices Bungie is pulling with Destiny. It is a -Yoinking!- disgrace that this is becoming the norm for FPS franchises and games in general. It’s like they’ve learned nothing from 80s video game crash; corporate interests interfering in game development hurts everyone in the long run. At this point I have absolutely no respect for Bungie whatsoever and next to none for 343 at the moment. I’m prepared to forgive them if they finally get off their -Yoink- and give us the game and story we were promised, but their window of opportunity is quickly dwindling. To answer the OP’s question, your neutral position isn’t inherently bad, it’s just not doing anyone any good either. If Halo is ever going to get any better, then you need to engage in a more active stance and make your criticisms heard, especially because 343’s current management seems more than content to sit back and profit off of the franchise’s slow death. But whatever you do, don’t become a mindless 343 supporter. They are the most toxic and harmful aspect of the Halo community right now, and their brainless defense of 343’s -Yoink- attitude toward the series only serves to ensure that the quality of future content declines even further.

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> I give credit when it is due, but criticize when that is necessary. If you don’t say anything then 343 has nothing to work with. If you never say what is good, then they have to figure that out themselves. If you never say anything is bad then the same is true.

Also agreed. That’s why I made a point to express my like of the core gameplay and Forge before stating my criticisms in my previous post.

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I’m a tad neutral on them. when they do good i’ll praise them. When the Yoink up i’ll call them out. Even though i don’t like their story direction i’ll still care to know what they’re going with it.

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You are only as good as your contributions. You are the only one that can answer that. #humblebrag

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You’re great for Halo overall & neutral for the Halo community. You help keep Halo going by supporting the product with your money and time.

It sounds like you have good balance and perspective, which will also carry over to other aspects of your life. Nothing wrong with being a loyal fan.

Keep supporting Halo as long as you enjoy the product and are having fun.

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> 2533274812652989;9:
> I give credit when it is due, but criticize when that is necessary. If you don’t say anything then 343 has nothing to work with. If you never say what is good, then they have to figure that out themselves. If you never say anything is bad then the same is true.

I understand that, but I feel my opinions aren’t entirely accurate anyway. I’m okay with Halo 5, but I don’t understand what I like or dislike about it. So I leave the praise and criticism to those who understand themselves better than I do. I take this same approach when it comes to most votes; it’s a poor action, I know, because if everyone did this, then no one would be praising or complaining… but still.

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I am the exact same way.

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> How dare you not chose a side between 343 and bungie and whats this saying that all the halo games are good and having this patience to wait for a game to be fixed and be happy with it! Get out we don’t need that kind of person here

I hope that you’re being sarcastic. OP, you are like a carbon copy of what I think so no, you’re not bad for for community at all.

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Can we have more like you? I’m getting tired of all the negativity on these forums…

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> Can we have more like you? I’m getting tired of all the negativity on these forums…

You are free to make threads that have good things to say about Halo 5. Or would you prefer nothing negative would be said? The OP’s route just doesn’t appear to say anything.