So, with the onset of the Covenant war in 2525 and the glorious benefits of hindsight, what would you (if you had the ability to lead the direction of the human war effort) have done different in terms of UNSC deployment, technology, defences, offensive operations etc?
Could you have steered the course of the war in favour of humanity?
I, for one, would have made the navy far better at deploying troops en-masse via a UNSC version of a troop carrier. This frees the frigates, destroyers and other vessels to do what they’re designed for, space-based operations. Imagine a large flying hangar designed for planetary insertion and troop/vehicle deployment. Used in conjunction with ODST deployment it would have enabled a more aggressive response for surface operations.
Space operations are a little more tricky. I suppose I could state that building the Infinity much earlier or in greater numbers. But that all depends on the technology being available.
With all the knowledge gained during the war? Go straight to Trevelyan and get as much of that Forerunner tech as possible. This might have led to energy shields a lot earlier in the war among other things, evening the odds out a little. Probably would deploy prowlers to Covenant space and nuke some of their less defended planets. Launch Operation Red Flag a lot earlier, but with a different goal: to capturea Covenant ship, not a prophet, because that would probably escalate the war. With this ship the UNSC could reverse engineer more technology to bolster the probably more complicated Forerunner tech. Nothing humanity could change would allow them to win though, unless we had a way of inciting the Great Schism and obliterating most of the Seperatist fleet different to the original timeline.
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> With all the knowledge gained during the war? Go straight to Trevelyan and get as much of that Forerunner tech as possible. This might have led to energy shields a lot earlier in the war among other things, evening the odds out a little. Probably would deploy prowlers to Covenant space and nuke some of their less defended planets. Launch Operation Red Flag a lot earlier, but with a different goal: to capturea Covenant ship, not a prophet, because that would probably escalate the war. With this ship the UNSC could reverse engineer more technology to bolster the probably more complicated Forerunner tech. Nothing humanity could change would allow them to win though, unless we had a way of inciting the Great Schism and obliterating most of the Seperatist fleet different to the original timeline.
They considered prowlers and nukes before Red Flag and didn’t go with it because the Cherenkov radiation from fissile material re-entering normal space would make a Prowler’s stealth irrelevant. Honestly, if the tech was available to refit every ship like the Autumn was, that’s what I would have done. The main limitation in space combat was the inability to get around the Covies’ shield technology. Making every MAC gun capable of 3 round burst would have greatly leveled the playing field. It was said multiple times that the Spartans and other ground troops could mostly handle the ground forces but the battles were always lost in space.
To be clear, I’m talking about the new reactors as well, since another limitation in the other ships at the time was how hard you could run the engines before destroying the reactors. Autumn had a solution for that, so that it could not only power the MAC quickly, but also grant that ship many more options with movement.
I do agree that capturing a single ship would have changed the tide. Cortana would have then analyzed the SS matrices and given us much more precise navigation through that dimension. That alone would allow quicker responses and could have saved Sigma Octanus IV.
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> > With all he knowledge gained during the war? Go straight to Trevelyan and get as much of that Forerunner tech as possible. This might have led to energy shields a lot earlier in the war among other things, evening the odds out a little. Probably would deploy prowlers to Covenant space and nuke some of their less defended planets. Launch Operation Red Flag a lot earlier, but with a different goal: to capturea Covenant ship, not a prophet, because that would probably escalate the war. With this ship the UNSC could reverse engineer more technology to bolster the probably more complicated Forerunner tech. Nothing humanity could change would allow them to win though, unless we had a way of inciting the Great Schism and obliterating most of the Seperatist fleet different to the original timeline.
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> They considered prowlers and nukes before Red Flag and didn’t go with it because the Cherenkov radiation from fissile material re-entering normal space would make a Prowler’s stealth irrelevant. Honestly, if the tech was available to refit every ship like the Autumn was, that’s what I would have done. The main limitation in space combat was the inability to get around the Covies’ shield technology. Making every MAC gun capable of 3 round burst would have greatly leveled the playing field. It was said multiple times that the Spartans and other ground troops could mostly handle the ground forces but the battles were always lost in space.
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> To be clear, I’m talking about the new reactors as well, since another limitation in the other ships at the time was how hard you could run the engines before destroying the reactors. Autumn had a solution for that, so that it could not only power the MAC quickly, but also grant that ship many more options with movement.
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> I do agree that capturing a single ship would have changed the tide. Cortana would have then analyzed the SS matrices and given us much more precise navigation through that dimension. That alone would allow quicker responses and could have saved Sigma Octanus IV.
I didn’t realise they’d considered the prowler thing before, but didn’t the Dusk from GoO carry nuclear mines and wasn’t spotted by the Covenant? I’m not really sure what you mean by fissile material, I’m not the best at science, so forgive me if you already just explained that.
The PoA’s MAC was a hgood point, along with the reactors. Imagine a battle group of refitted Halcyons. During the fall of Reach, Keyes was destroying cruisers easily (I think he even took on a carrier, a ship about 3 times the size of the Autumn at least) and managed to destroy the supercruiser. A dozen refitted Halcyons, throw in Keyes and Admiral Cole as the leader and the UNSC would have a force to be reckoned with.
The Infinity wouldn’t do much in a losing war. It’s only a giant ship, just look at the Yomato. Obvious answer?
Allow the Covenant to destroy the outer colonies controlled by Indies. By Somehow (snicker)recovering a lost satellite revealing those worlds. What next? We wipe out those fleets…how? Well because the Covenant has no military infrastructure because we know where all of their stuff is. Before we lead the Covenant fleets to Indie worlds we fire nova bombs at every key Covenant site and send them message of,
“These are all free, by the way. Come at us at these coordinates!” (Clearly a world with high Indie pop)
Then “decommission” Oni using their terrible history to spark a new movement but with with me as a stalwart hero to the people.
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> > > With all he knowledge gained during the war? Go straight to Trevelyan and get as much of that Forerunner tech as possible. This might have led to energy shields a lot earlier in the war among other things, evening the odds out a little. Probably would deploy prowlers to Covenant space and nuke some of their less defended planets. Launch Operation Red Flag a lot earlier, but with a different goal: to capturea Covenant ship, not a prophet, because that would probably escalate the war. With this ship the UNSC could reverse engineer more technology to bolster the probably more complicated Forerunner tech. Nothing humanity could change would allow them to win though, unless we had a way of inciting the Great Schism and obliterating most of the Seperatist fleet different to the original timeline.
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> > They considered prowlers and nukes before Red Flag and didn’t go with it because the Cherenkov radiation from fissile material re-entering normal space would make a Prowler’s stealth irrelevant. Honestly, if the tech was available to refit every ship like the Autumn was, that’s what I would have done. The main limitation in space combat was the inability to get around the Covies’ shield technology. Making every MAC gun capable of 3 round burst would have greatly leveled the playing field. It was said multiple times that the Spartans and other ground troops could mostly handle the ground forces but the battles were always lost in space.
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> > To be clear, I’m talking about the new reactors as well, since another limitation in the other ships at the time was how hard you could run the engines before destroying the reactors. Autumn had a solution for that, so that it could not only power the MAC quickly, but also grant that ship many more options with movement.
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> > I do agree that capturing a single ship would have changed the tide. Cortana would have then analyzed the SS matrices and given us much more precise navigation through that dimension. That alone would allow quicker responses and could have saved Sigma Octanus IV.
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> I didn’t realise they’d considered the prowler thing before, but didn’t the Dusk from GoO carry nuclear mines and wasn’t spotted by the Covenant? I’m not really sure what you mean by fissile material, I’m not the best at science, so forgive me if you already just explained that.
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> The PoA’s MAC was a hgood point, along with the reactors. Imagine a battle group of refitted Halcyons. During the fall of Reach, Keyes was destroying cruisers easily (I think he even took on a carrier, a ship about 3 times the size of the Autumn at least) and managed to destroy the supercruiser. A dozen refitted Halcyons, throw in Keyes and Admiral Cole as the leader and the UNSC would have a force to be reckoned with.
Fissile material = nuke. Sorry for the confusion.
Yeah, apparently the Dusk did carry nuclear mines, but I think the statement about detection is based mainly on the Covenant not being otherwise distracted like they were at Onyx. If they weren’t focused on the Sentinels, and the obvious threat they posed, then maybe one of the sensor stations might have noticed the Dusk slipping in.
Thanks, I wasn’t just talking about Halcyon’s through. I meant the entire fleet.
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> The Infinity wouldn’t do much in a losing war. It’s only a giant ship, just look at the Yomato. Obvious answer?
The Imperial Japanese Navy’s Yamato (assuming “Yomato” is referring to her) is a different case from the Infinity. With the Yamato, she basically made no difference because battleships were more or less obsolete because of aircraft carriers. One of the main reasons she was constructed was because IJN leadership thought that battleships would be relevant during World War II. Yamato was pretty much obsolete from the start.
PEACE. Tell the Sanghelli about the truth of the rings and the prophets. Failing that just set Parangosky on the covenant and give her free rein to do anything with any resources and personnel necessary.
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> PEACE. Tell the Sanghelli about the truth of the rings and the prophets. Failing that just set Parangosky on the covenant and give her free rein to do anything with any resources and personnel necessary.
honestly the first one would probably not work due to well the sangheli believing the prophets over you. who would you believe? your leaders who have led you for centuries or this new race that have been declared heretics and you are committing genocide against?
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> > PEACE. Tell the Sanghelli about the truth of the rings and the prophets. Failing that just set Parangosky on the covenant and give her free rein to do anything with any resources and personnel necessary.
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> honestly the first one would probably not work due to well the sangheli believing the prophets over you. who would you believe? your leaders who have led you for centuries or this new race that have been declared heretics and you are committing genocide against?
Ah my one weakness… Logic!
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> > The Infinity wouldn’t do much in a losing war. It’s only a giant ship, just look at the Yomato. Obvious answer?
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> The Imperial Japanese Navy’s Yamato (assuming “Yomato” is referring to her) is a different case from the Infinity. With the Yamato, she basically made no difference because battleships were basically obsolete because of aircraft carriers. One of the main reasons she was constructed was because IJN leadership thought that battleships would be relevant during World War II. Yamato was basically obsolete from the start.
Also, they kept her home safe, when she could have done something, because she literally represented the metal embodiment of Japan’s heart and soul. By the time they sent her out, they literally had no hope of winning. At least thats what I remember my Grandpa telling me. He was in the Philippines at the end of WWII, he saw the fires of the Yamato’s death-pyrrh from the shore.
Infinity, on the other hand, is basically a mobile Orbital Defense MAC on steroids with even MORE guns. We know what ODPs can do to Covenant ships…Infinity would turn the tide, as she is doing now.
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> > The Infinity wouldn’t do much in a losing war. It’s only a giant ship, just look at the Yomato. Obvious answer?
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> The Imperial Japanese Navy’s Yamato (assuming “Yomato” is referring to her) is a different case from the Infinity. With the Yamato, she basically made no difference because battleships were basically obsolete because of aircraft carriers. One of the main reasons she was constructed was because IJN leadership thought that battleships would be relevant during World War II. Yamato was basically obsolete from the start.
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> > > The Infinity wouldn’t do much in a losing war. It’s only a giant ship, just look at the Yomato. Obvious answer?
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> > The Imperial Japanese Navy’s Yamato (assuming “Yomato” is referring to her) is a different case from the Infinity. With the Yamato, she basically made no difference because battleships were basically obsolete because of aircraft carriers. One of the main reasons she was constructed was because IJN leadership thought that battleships would be relevant during World War II. Yamato was basically obsolete from the start.
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> Also, they kept her home safe, when she could have done something, because she literally represented the metal embodiment of Japan’s heart and soul. By the time they sent her out, they literally had no hope of winning. At least thats what I remember my Grandpa telling me. He was in the Philippines at the end of WWII, he saw the fires of the Yamato’s death-pyrrh from the shore.
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> Infinity, on the other hand, is basically a mobile Orbital Defense MAC on steroids with even MORE guns. We know what ODPs can do to Covenant ships…Infinity would turn the tide, as she is doing now.
Yeah sorry about misspelling Yamato. When it comes to Japanese I typically get my vowels jumbled up.
Anyway yes The Yamato was torn apart by air superiority but that’s what the Covenant had on us in space. Fighting them head on with even numbers was to be lead into slaughter. Remember the Infinity is useful not not because it’s the greatest ship ever made by the UNSC but because the Covenant is broken. CRS liter Jul’s fleets and those things are apparently nothing more than paper planes. He also lacks proper armaments for his ships, with far too few high end plasma weapons. If made earlier it wouldn’t have nearly the amount of god tier upgrades from Covenant/Forerunner reverse engineering and technological adaptation simply because we would lack the ability to use them even with a head start on R&D. Even our own tech wouldn’t be nearly as powerful compared to HCW tech to post tech. Remember we didn’t do much more then nothing on special about the tech on Oynx until MC blew up the Alpha Halo forcing the facility to reactivate. Not to mention one of our greatest scientist would of still been trying to figure out Jackal shields instead of translocation.
The Infinity would likely act as a Orion at the time. Realizing that we couldn’t stand against the Covenant head on with experimental star cruisers the size oaf a city. Putting resources into a crazy design wouldn’t be a safe bet, hence why the Infinity was so well hidden before along with (Now that I’m thinking about it) just about everything that soaked up the UNSC’s money, like the Spartans. All their crazy plans that they knew wouldn’t get funded were all just made behind someone’s back.
The retrofits and the time it flies is what makes it powerful. Flying during the full spin of the war would lead the craft into major issues, like the Yamato. All the issue The Infinity faced in Sops obviously outside of the gravity anchor would be incredibly viable options to bring the ship down during the war if not just outright blasting it into space dust.
Additional Infinity class star ships would definitely have been beneficial. A few of these turning up to a battle would most likely cause some concern for the Covenant.
It could also up the ante. Would the Covenant become even more desperate if multiple Infinity class vessels were used? Would the UNSC be able to produce multiple Infinity class vessels instead of building frigates and cruisers? Each ship would require considerable resources ad personnel. And, more importantly, an Infinity class ship created at the start of the war might not have energy shielding.
Based upon what I know about the war, the UNSC didn’t really know the locations of any of the home worlds of the Covenant member species. If they had, perhaps a suicidal run with multiple NOVA bombs could have been launched, rendering the planet lifeless, more or less. This action could then force the Covenant to redirect their fleet strength elsewhere in order to protect various colonies and home worlds, giving the UNSC some breathing room at the front. Alternatively, it might again make the Covenant more desperate. But then when facing extinction, how much further can the Covenant go as far as atrocities are concerned?
I suppose you could perceive the NOVA bombing of a Covenant world the UNSCs answer to a glassing.
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> Additional Infinity class star ships would definitely have been beneficial. A few of these turning up to a battle would most likely cause some concern for the Covenant.
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> It could also up the ante. Would the Covenant become even more desperate if multiple Infinity class vessels were used? Would the UNSC be able to produce multiple Infinity class vessels instead of building frigates and cruisers? Each ship would require considerable resources ad personnel. And, more importantly, an Infinity class ship created at the start of the war might not have energy shielding.
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> Based upon what I know about the war, the UNSC didn’t really know the locations of any of the home worlds of the Covenant member species. If they had, perhaps a suicidal run with multiple NOVA bombs could have been launched, rendering the planet lifeless, more or less. This action could then force the Covenant to redirect their fleet strength elsewhere in order to protect various colonies and home worlds, giving the UNSC some breathing room at the front. Alternatively, it might again make the Covenant more desperate. But then when facing extinction, how much further can the Covenant go as far as atrocities are concerned?
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> I suppose you could perceive the NOVA bombing of a Covenant world the UNSCs answer to a glassing.
They can go WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY further down that rabbit hole. Remember, they saw what they did during the war as a mercy.Crushing us because we didn’t want to exist as filthy apes. Swift death was granted, it just looked bad from the outside.
Also a note to take is that the Covenant are far more advance then we are, it’s just their religion that forces them to hinder their technology. If we we’re to destroy that sense then the Covenant wouldn’t have a reason to hold back anymore, sort of like how the Storm Rifle exist now. it was an old design thought heretical, now it’s standard.
How many more monsters in the shape of weapons does the Covenant have locked away in their history? Only 343i knows.
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> > Additional Infinity class star ships would definitely have been beneficial. A few of these turning up to a battle would most likely cause some concern for the Covenant.
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> > It could also up the ante. Would the Covenant become even more desperate if multiple Infinity class vessels were used? Would the UNSC be able to produce multiple Infinity class vessels instead of building frigates and cruisers? Each ship would require considerable resources ad personnel. And, more importantly, an Infinity class ship created at the start of the war might not have energy shielding.
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> > Based upon what I know about the war, the UNSC didn’t really know the locations of any of the home worlds of the Covenant member species. If they had, perhaps a suicidal run with multiple NOVA bombs could have been launched, rendering the planet lifeless, more or less. This action could then force the Covenant to redirect their fleet strength elsewhere in order to protect various colonies and home worlds, giving the UNSC some breathing room at the front. Alternatively, it might again make the Covenant more desperate. But then when facing extinction, how much further can the Covenant go as far as atrocities are concerned?
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> > I suppose you could perceive the NOVA bombing of a Covenant world the UNSCs answer to a glassing.
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> They can go WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY further down that rabbit hole. Remember, they saw what they did during the war as a mercy.Crushing us because we didn’t want to exist as filthy apes. Swift death was granted, it just looked bad from the outside.
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> Also a note to take is that the Covenant are far more advance then we are, it’s just their religion that forces them to hinder their technology. If we we’re to destroy that sense then the Covenant wouldn’t have a reason to hold back anymore, sort of like how the Storm Rifle exist now. it was an old design thought heretical, now it’s standard.
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> How many more monsters in the shape of weapons does the Covenant have locked away in their history? Only 343i knows.
Can’t say that I rate the storm rifle in Halo 5. The plasma rifle is far more effective.
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> > > Additional Infinity class star ships would definitely have been beneficial. A few of these turning up to a battle would most likely cause some concern for the Covenant.
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> > > It could also up the ante. Would the Covenant become even more desperate if multiple Infinity class vessels were used? Would the UNSC be able to produce multiple Infinity class vessels instead of building frigates and cruisers? Each ship would require considerable resources ad personnel. And, more importantly, an Infinity class ship created at the start of the war might not have energy shielding.
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> > > Based upon what I know about the war, the UNSC didn’t really know the locations of any of the home worlds of the Covenant member species. If they had, perhaps a suicidal run with multiple NOVA bombs could have been launched, rendering the planet lifeless, more or less. This action could then force the Covenant to redirect their fleet strength elsewhere in order to protect various colonies and home worlds, giving the UNSC some breathing room at the front. Alternatively, it might again make the Covenant more desperate. But then when facing extinction, how much further can the Covenant go as far as atrocities are concerned?
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> > > I suppose you could perceive the NOVA bombing of a Covenant world the UNSCs answer to a glassing.
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> > They can go WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY further down that rabbit hole. Remember, they saw what they did during the war as a mercy.Crushing us because we didn’t want to exist as filthy apes. Swift death was granted, it just looked bad from the outside.
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> > Also a note to take is that the Covenant are far more advance then we are, it’s just their religion that forces them to hinder their technology. If we we’re to destroy that sense then the Covenant wouldn’t have a reason to hold back anymore, sort of like how the Storm Rifle exist now. it was an old design thought heretical, now it’s standard.
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> > How many more monsters in the shape of weapons does the Covenant have locked away in their history? Only 343i knows.
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> Can’t say that I rate the storm rifle in Halo 5. The plasma rifle is far more effective.
In terms of canon the storm rifle apparently is superior hence why it is the norm now.
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> So, with the onset of the Covenant war in 2525 and the glorious benefits of hindsight, what would you (if you had the ability to lead the direction of the human war effort) have done different in terms of UNSC deployment, technology, defences, offensive operations etc?
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> Could you have steered the course of the war in favour of humanity?
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> I, for one, would have made the navy far better at deploying troops en-masse via a UNSC version of a troop carrier. This frees the frigates, destroyers and other vessels to do what they’re designed for, space-based operations. Imagine a large flying hangar designed for planetary insertion and troop/vehicle deployment. Used in conjunction with ODST deployment it would have enabled a more aggressive response for surface operations.
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> Space operations are a little more tricky. I suppose I could state that building the Infinity much earlier or in greater numbers. But that all depends on the technology being available.
The unsc did have dedicated troop carriers, namely the Orion, Phoenix, and Punic class carriers.
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> > So, with the onset of the Covenant war in 2525 and the glorious benefits of hindsight, what would you (if you had the ability to lead the direction of the human war effort) have done different in terms of UNSC deployment, technology, defences, offensive operations etc?
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> > Could you have steered the course of the war in favour of humanity?
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> > I, for one, would have made the navy far better at deploying troops en-masse via a UNSC version of a troop carrier. This frees the frigates, destroyers and other vessels to do what they’re designed for, space-based operations. Imagine a large flying hangar designed for planetary insertion and troop/vehicle deployment. Used in conjunction with ODST deployment it would have enabled a more aggressive response for surface operations.
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> > Space operations are a little more tricky. I suppose I could state that building the Infinity much earlier or in greater numbers. But that all depends on the technology being available.
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> The unsc did have dedicated troop carriers, namely the Orion, Phoenix, and Punic class carriers.
Yeah, I keep forgetting. Duh!