All of the Future additions coming to the game that 343 has announced put into one article so you people can CALM DOWN

Yes, yes it was. No debate necessary for that part, then.

Oh absolutely, but you’re ignoring the glaring issues with Halo Infinite’s approach.

Colors are locked to individual cores, meaning that you can’t use that 10-20 dollar color on anything you want. Visors are the same way. Armor is locked to individual cores, which makes some semblance of sense on paper but ultimately renders the whole “millions of combinations” promise a lie. Emblems aren’t universal, which isn’t that big of an issue, but again very limiting.

Monetization is normal, and I wholeheartedly agree that Halo Infinite will require MTXs to support itself. I mean come on, goodwill doesn’t pay itself back, something has to give. But the issue therein comes from how they’ve gone about doing it.

First of all, that 500 million dollar budget is a rumor. It was never confirmed by 343 Industries or Microsoft themselves, but isn’t unrealistic for a game of this caliber.

Second of all, of course it will. There’s never been a game in history that existed purely for players’ benefit and didn’t have to make money back, because nothing is free and neither is game development. Again, like I said before, the aggressive stance they’ve taken isn’t an ideal or player-friendly way to do it.

Okay. This may be the worst take you’ve presented so far. Let me break this down.

Being Free to Play (or F2P) is not a loss for developers in any way, shape or form.

The whole reason the model succeeds in the first place is because of how much attention and revenue it gathers, and it’s longevity depends on quality live service and frequent content.

The caveat to that model is that the game is therefore never in a “complete” state, and that condition is often used as an excuse to launch fundamentally incomplete games. It’s acceptable when it’s free because there’s no loss to the end user, which is true. I am not accusing 343 of launching a fundamentally incomplete game, however.

What I am implying is that F2P is the world’s worst excuse to use bad or abusive systems. “If it isn’t something you paid for, what’s the big deal?” and it’s many variations are some of the most common sentiments I’ve seen around, but they miss the point entirely of the criticism.

In Halo Infinite’s case, being “F2P” is a fantastic boon for its popularity, but the model then takes elements of the game- like the customization we enjoyed in past titles without paywalling outside of the initial entrance fee- and locks them up for ransom. Our problem with this model is how much stuff it locks up, how much the ‘ransom’ is, and how much we lose if we don’t pay.

“gamepass causes developers to lose money”

I won’t go ahead and sales pitch gamepass to you, and you can do your own research. But for all intents and purposes, this isn’t true. Feel free to disagree, but I don’t see news reports of companies filing complaints against Microsoft and the Xbox Corporation for stiffing them.

Halo 5: Guardians did not force all customization and progression into arbitrary paywalls.

Although it did make getting customization options a loot-box style experience, which nobody liked and 343 even admitted was a terrible system, REQ Packs were still obtainable purely by gameplay. These packs included every type of customization in the game and gave you weapons and vehicles for Warzone, which unless you liked Firefight a whole lot, was super pay to win.

As for Halo Infinite, credits (the current ‘premium’ currency) are unobtainable by gameplay or even by subscribing to its pass, and can only be bought directly. The items it buys cost thousands of these credits, and to buy all of the currently leaked cosmetics from the store, it would set you back by 1035 dollars. The only way to get customizations in Halo Infinite, as it stands, is to buy them from a storefront or to unlock them in a battlepass.

I don’t know about you, but I’ll take REQ Packs 50 times over.

Sure… Battlefront 2, Destiny 2 (numerous times), heck even MCC!!! But sure, i am sure your approach is much more effective…

Wait how do you know this? I’m a big SWAT player and have been missing it so far.

Dataminers, the saviors and villains of every game.

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The fact the pass doesn’t expire, does not excuse how slow it is, and most of the rewards being filler.

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I’m glad you can find happiness in embarrassing and harassing a AAA studio. I dont share your masochism toward human beings so I will continue to do the opposite and stand-by and perform fire-control for the rapid-spreading hatred and near-witch-hunt for a franchise I have stood by for 20 years. Nothing you say will change that. Best of luck to you however.

Yes, because I totally remember paying $10 to paint my Spartan tan.

I don’t understand how you’re on the other side of these complaints. This is probably the most reasonable community I ever seen at launch.

Everybody agrees that the gameplay is amazing. The rest of the features are lacking and their customization is exactly what we tried to warn about when coatings we’re discovered (and a bit worse with core limitation).

A blog from oct is not feedback. In fact it’s worse that they knew about some things in Oct and yet it won’t be until May we could see changes applied to season 2.

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You have to be 343i employee right? Cmon, man, you are not real :smiley: I dont care about AAA studios… If devs are frustrated about this feedback they should go to Bonnie, Spencer, Staten or whoever thought this system was a good idea and approved it. Why should we feel bad or even except somebody’s bad decisions, greed and insecurity? I care about the franchise, about Halo… If any studio in charge of this franchise will do something right, I will praise it. If they will something wrong I will voice my opinion - I have done it calmly and constructively in different threads… Positive changes rarely ever happen from top down… mostly from bottom up.

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I think 343 is holding back some combination of maps, game modes, and weapons for final release on Dec 8th. I know they’ve implied this is the full MP suite, but they’ve also mentioned that Nov 15th “wasn’t even the real launch”. That’s part of a quote from sk3tch on the Halo subreddit.

Evidence #1 - There’s an achievement tied to reviving team mates in Elimination. Elimination is a game mode that’s not in the game now, and didn’t end up being the first temporary fracture playlist.

I just think it’s unlikely there’s an achievement tied to a temporary game type… who knotted though!

They can add three more modes, but if it still behind QuickPlay RnG, it doesnt change much…

What is the term used when someone s im ps for large corporations being money hungry?

The fact that “s i m p” is censored on this forum says a lot tbh

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Maybe I’m the -Yoink!- here, but if you’re launching a major game the week before a major holiday… you shouldn’t expect to be able to just take an extended weekend off immediately following.

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I don’t know who you are, but I know who Shigeru Miyamoto is, and when you say that so bluntly, and with an air of authority, I would like to point out that you probably have no authority from which to speak. It is more likely that you misunderstood him than that he was just flat out wrong

I wasnt disregarding his statement. I was disregarding the use of it in this moment.

And how about Destiny 2?

I’ve always enjoyed playlists with a heavy slayer weighting, and a sprinkle of objectives. My buddy and I have been loving quick play tbh!

I would say a dedicated slayer playlists and a veto system would make matchmaking top tier though.

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I believe its the same situation that we are currently in. A game released underwhelming but progressively got better.

Well I have always heard an air of controversy surrounding Destiny 2, and consequently, I have not played it. This can affect Halo too, and we just have to be careful with this kind of “game”. How much controversy is too much? I suggest they shouldn’t touch controversy with a 10-foot pole

That’s like not even 1/3 of the problems. The forge stuff didn’t even bother me as I knew, most of us knew it was coming later.

There was a lie, and it involves around the battle pass. WE WANTED LOOT CRATES GONE AND THEY ADDED A WORSE SYSTEM.

Hello, guys, wake up. The Battle Pass (generally speaking) are the new loot crates.

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