One thing that i just now looked at in the H5G Trailer is All New Spartan Abilities.
Before I read it as all new Armor Abilities. Will elites not be featured in H5G or only not be in the beta?
Seems like HMCC will be the last chance for elite fans to play in a Halo game with full glory. I kind of feel like the elites in Halo HMCC are sort of like when your parents give you something just to stop hear you complain about it, but what’s even worse with 343i is they might take that something away.
I really hope Elites make it into H5G. Am I alone with this?
Moving the Halo 5 forum.
On topic: We are still more than a year away from Halo 5, and still 6 month from Halo 5’s beta. All we can do is wait.
> Moving the Halo 5 forum.
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> On topic: We are still more than a year away from Halo 5, and still 6 month from Halo 5’s beta. All we can do is wait.
Wait, then what’s the point of these forums? I’d rather voice what i have to say than cower in the darkness. As i’m sure we all would and probably why people post threads.
Sorry if the passage comes off a little aggressive. It seems to come off that way but that is not my goal.
I honestly don’t see why Halo 5 is supposed to adhere to the traditional crowd, and yet at the same time, elites would stay on the shelf. They did say Spartan Abilities though didn’t they? Maybe elites have their own set of exclusive abilities?
> I honestly don’t see why Halo 5 is supposed to adhere to the traditional crowd, and yet at the same time, elites would stay on the shelf. They did say Spartan Abilities though didn’t they? Maybe elites have their own set of exclusive abilities?
Don’t you think that in that Trailer it would of been great to have it be Elites vs Spartans if the game actually was going to feature them? I’m not entirely sure what “Spartan Abilities” mean but they sound like Player applications. Which lead me to the assumption of Spartan only MP.
It be test if elites got the same abilities spartans do. Mainly for consitancy and balance among players. There shouldnt be any punishment or risk/reward with choosing to stand out from the crowd. If they do go traditional i hope elites can finally mix and mach armor like in 3
> > I honestly don’t see why Halo 5 is supposed to adhere to the traditional crowd, and yet at the same time, elites would stay on the shelf. They did say Spartan Abilities though didn’t they? Maybe elites have their own set of exclusive abilities?
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> Don’t you think that in that Trailer it would of been great to have it be Elites vs Spartans if the game actually was going to feature them? I’m not entirely sure what “Spartan Abilities” mean but they sound like Player applications. Which lead me to the assumption of Spartan only MP.
Lets keep in mind that the game is still in beta phase. Anything can happen from now until then. I don’t see why they would leave elites out after all the backlash they copped from it.
It is a worrisome thing, if, I were to take CG trailers literally in the gaming world. The point being here is that, in the end, this was all just hype for the beta, and it is easier to animate faceless Spartans and do an all around everyone looks the same with different colors fighting than putting one team with elites and the other with Spartans.
This was all hype for the beta this December and it shouldn’t be taken TOO literally, just enough to understand that things are going to change in a big way for Halo.
> I honestly don’t see why Halo 5 is supposed to adhere to the traditional crowd, and yet at the same time, elites would stay on the shelf. They did say Spartan Abilities though didn’t they? Maybe elites have their own set of exclusive abilities?
I hope not. We need Spartans and Elites to be on a level playing field. They shouldn’t have any advantages over each other; that’s why Reach’s playlists were segregated to begin with. Halo 2/3 had it nailed, so we know there’s an easy solution.
And if multiplayer’s still canon, then two points. One: nobody cares if it’s canon or not. We’ll play Campaign for canon. Two: Seperatist Elites. They seemed pretty willing to have Infinity act as security detail in Escalation. And if there’s supposed to be some great threat to life in general, then it would make sense if Spartans and Elites learned to fight together.
> > > I honestly don’t see why Halo 5 is supposed to adhere to the traditional crowd, and yet at the same time, elites would stay on the shelf. They did say Spartan Abilities though didn’t they? Maybe elites have their own set of exclusive abilities?
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> > Don’t you think that in that Trailer it would of been great to have it be Elites vs Spartans if the game actually was going to feature them? I’m not entirely sure what “Spartan Abilities” mean but they sound like Player applications. Which lead me to the assumption of Spartan only MP.
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> Lets keep in mind that the game is still in beta phase. Anything can happen from now until then. <mark>I don’t see why they would leave elites out after all the backlash they copped from it.</mark>
“War Games.” That’s the only excuse they’d have if Elites don’t come back, and I think we all agree that that’s a pretty poor excuse.
Hmm… if Sangheli get their own version of SAs, or EAs (It’s in the game!), then I would really want to see Sangheli limited to a “Spartans Vs. Sangheli” gametype or maybe some specific War Games under the guise of “Cooperative training.” Would be pretty cool…
> Hmm… if Sangheli get their own version of SAs, or EAs (It’s in the game!), then I would really want to see Sangheli limited to a “Spartans Vs. Sangheli” gametype or maybe some specific War Games under the guise of “Cooperative training.” Would be pretty cool…
I think if the differences in abilities were similar to the differences between the BR and CC and such then it’ll probably be fine.
But that’s just me.
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> > On topic: We are still more than a year away from Halo 5, and still 6 month from Halo 5’s beta. All we can do is wait.
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> Wait, then what’s the point of these forums? I’d rather voice what i have to say than cower in the darkness. As i’m sure we all would and probably why people post threads.
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> Sorry if the passage comes off a little aggressive. It seems to come off that way but that is not my goal.
I was just posting my view on the mater. I don’t want to discourage you from posting your opinion. Indeed, the forums are for expressing hopes and opinions on current and future Halo media and projects.
We have such little information about Halo 5: Guardians to assume things.
There is a 400+ page mega thread on this topic, 343i would be silly to ignore it. 
I don’t care much about being able to play as an Elite.
Though what is better in the eyes of the Elite crowd? Having Elites accurately represented in terms of size like in Reach or do you prefer to have them squished into the hitboxes of a spartan?
Either way we still have the issue of different positioning of the head and imo an Elite cannot be accurately represented aesthetically without disrupting the balance, but I don’t like the idea of an Elite being downsized just to its size is comparable to a spartans.
> I hope not. We need Spartans and Elites to be on a level playing field. They shouldn’t have any advantages over each other; that’s why Reach’s playlists were segregated to begin with. Halo 2/3 had it nailed, so we know there’s an easy solution.
Immunity from headshots from the back is not having it nailed.
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> Though what is better in the eyes of the Elite crowd? Having Elites accurately represented in terms of size like in Reach or do you prefer to have them squished into the hitboxes of a spartan?
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> Either way we still have the issue of different positioning of the head and imo an Elite cannot be accurately represented aesthetically without disrupting the balance, but I don’t like the idea of an Elite being downsized just to its size is comparable to a spartans.
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This is one thing that always bugged me,elites weren’t immune from headshots to the back. My clan mates and I used to always play as elites and i was shot in the back of the head many times and Vise Versa. Granted that the hitbox was smaller but from the front and the side elites were far easier to kill. Their heads stuck out from the side and from the front a body shot was a headshot.</mark>
> <mark>It’s always bugged me that people couldn’t bare the elites body type. They are the enemy we’ve been fighting since CE. I just think after fighting several different aliens people would of gotten used to aiming at different locations rather than at Spartans.</mark>
> > I don’t care much about being able to play as an Elite.
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> > Though what is better in the eyes of the Elite crowd? Having Elites accurately represented in terms of size like in Reach or do you prefer to have them squished into the hitboxes of a spartan?
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> > Either way we still have the issue of different positioning of the head and imo an Elite cannot be accurately represented aesthetically without disrupting the balance, but I don’t like the idea of an Elite being downsized just to its size is comparable to a spartans.
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> > > I hope not. We need Spartans and Elites to be on a level playing field. They shouldn’t have any advantages over each other; that’s why Reach’s playlists were segregated to begin with. Halo 2/3 had it nailed, so we know there’s an easy solution.
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> > <mark>Immunity from headshots from the back is not having it nailed[/h].
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This is one thing that always bugged me,elites were immune from headshots to the back. My clan mates and I used to always play as elites and i was shot in the back of the head many times and Vise Versa. Granted that the hitbox was smaller but from the front and the side elites were far easier to kill. Their heads stuck out from the side and from the front a body shot was a headshot.</mark>
> > <mark>It’s always bugged me that people couldn’t bare the elites body type. They are the enemy we’ve been fighting since CE. I just think after fighting several different aliens people would of gotten used to aiming at different locations rather than at Spartans.
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In order to make it fair, I think it would have to be Spartan Vs. Elite. The two are just so different that any balancing to make them identical will anger not just one, but both crowds.</mark>
> > > I don’t care much about being able to play as an Elite.
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> > > Though what is better in the eyes of the Elite crowd? Having Elites accurately represented in terms of size like in Reach or do you prefer to have them squished into the hitboxes of a spartan?
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> > > Either way we still have the issue of different positioning of the head and imo an Elite cannot be accurately represented aesthetically without disrupting the balance, but I don’t like the idea of an Elite being downsized just to its size is comparable to a spartans.
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> > > > I hope not. We need Spartans and Elites to be on a level playing field. They shouldn’t have any advantages over each other; that’s why Reach’s playlists were segregated to begin with. Halo 2/3 had it nailed, so we know there’s an easy solution.
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> > > <mark>Immunity from headshots from the back is not having it nailed[/h].
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This is one thing that always bugged me,elites were immune from headshots to the back. My clan mates and I used to always play as elites and i was shot in the back of the head many times and Vise Versa. Granted that the hitbox was smaller but from the front and the side elites were far easier to kill. Their heads stuck out from the side and from the front a body shot was a headshot.</mark>
> > > <mark>It’s always bugged me that people couldn’t bare the elites body type. They are the enemy we’ve been fighting since CE. I just think after fighting several different aliens people would of gotten used to aiming at different locations rather than at Spartans.
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In order to make it fair, I think it would have to be Spartan Vs. Elite. The two are just so different that any balancing to make them identical will anger not just one, but both crowds.
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Not neccesarily. The only crowds I could see about Spartans and Elites being balanced are the ones that want Elites to be either superior or different in some other way, and I haven’t seen too many of either of those. For the most part, people want the choice between the two to be purely cosmetic, and effective regardless of the gametype. There’s just been a lot of debates on how to do it: bring back their predatory stance (Halo 3), or scale down their Reach stances.</mark>
I’d say its better just to keep it to specific game types. If you’re going to have even starts, the elites have to undergo some really bizzare changes to properly work.
I do want elites in MP, i just think if they’re really pushing the equal starts thing, then they aren’t going to have be just an option.
> I’d say its better just to keep it to specific game types. If you’re going to have even starts, the elites have to undergo some really bizzare changes to properly work.
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> I do want elites in MP, i just think if they’re really pushing the equal starts thing, then they aren’t going to have be just an option.
Why doesn’t 343i just make elites the normal player option and Spartans as a special species. I’m totally okay with that, but not really.
I just have to say, i don’t recall anyone complaining about the elites in Halo 2. I really feel that all 343i has to do is add a setting for elites and Spartans. Where both elites and Spartans true power is unlocked. Why has there been a canon gamemode made yet?