I have the hardest time with this one fact. Aliens are OP. Seriously almost 95% of wins are with the aliens. Halo Wars 2 is dead to me due to this. The entire industry is playing to the lowest common here, it would have been such a sweet game without leader powers and identical units on both sides in terms of ability. This game is broken from the core, Microsoft showing its greedy kiddie game play style at its finest. I would have asked for a refund on my first day of playing. This marks the end of Halo and Microsoft games. As a lifelong strategy/management player, this is by far the worst implementation of balance and core game play I’ve ever seen, almost on an EA level.
Soooo you’re saying you want to remove all forms of unique gameplay from this RTS and have people just use the same units?
Might as well play chess.
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> Soooo you’re saying you want to remove all forms of unique gameplay from this RTS and have people just use the same units?
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> Might as well play chess.
He can’t there are too many units and the queen is op. If you look at his game history he only builds Marines no wonder he always looses.
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> Soooo you’re saying you want to remove all forms of unique gameplay from this RTS and have people just use the same units?
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> Might as well play chess.
Lol chess would have more units than OP’ s suggestion.
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> Lol chess would have more units than OP’ s suggestion.
I think he needs to play a game of checkers…with a chicken.
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> I have the hardest time with this one fact. Aliens are OP. Seriously almost 95% of wins are with the aliens. Halo Wars 2 is dead to me due to this. The entire industry is playing to the lowest common here, it would have been such a sweet game without leader powers and identical units on both sides in terms of ability. This game is broken from the core, Microsoft showing its greedy kiddie game play style at its finest. I would have asked for a refund on my first day of playing. This marks the end of Halo and Microsoft games. As a lifelong strategy/management player, this is by far the worst implementation of balance and core game play I’ve ever seen, almost on an EA level.
I can’t say I’m against your opinion yet. But could you at least give some examples to support it and show everyone that you may be right?
I’m not going to call into question the OP’s stats, because doing so may or may not get me in trouble.
But if I were to take into account their match history, I would point out that the respective wins and losses might more probably indicate trouble on the OP’s part on grasping the fundamentals, and not a problem with balancing.
This is not stat shaming. It’s simply viewing evidence and hypothesizing.
P.S. Those build orders are very telling too. Of what, I can’t say because of rules, but they paint a pretty good picture of what’s going on in your matches. OP could watch some youtube videos, or peruse threads to see what other players are doing and adjust.
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Lmao
Looking at your game history, you should probably revise your build order and focus on building an army up a little sooner, rather than improving then building. Also, looking at the leaders from some of your most recent games, you use Cutter or Anders every time, and most of the games have 1 UNSC and 1 Banished leader on each team, putting blame less on the balancing of the leaders, and more on your strategy. Not questioning your skill, just making a logical conclusion. Hopefully revising your build order will help you out some.
I understand my build order may cause some problems for me, I understand that I’m probably a terrible player, but what I don’t understand is the obvious FACT that in almost every match I’ve ever seen, included ones I don’t play and just watch my roommate play, alien race wins. I’d love to see the Microsoft stats on Alien wins, it’s so obvious, it’s not even debatable. And I love games that have equal and same skills/units on both sides. One of my favorite shooters and arguably the best Battlefield game ever produced has 3 weapon kits, same on both sides, no balance nerf culture. As for the chess comment, I would love for a chess based mindset to hit a modern title. This is an issue in each and every multiplayer game released as of recent years… Too many variables, too many exploits, not enough skill, management and coordinating. Dont even get me started on Halo 5, another example of a complete pile of trash shooter that plays to the pockets of micro rather than just being a good game that ppl will buy. Profit driven, kiddie gameplay… Part of me wants to blame 10 years of COD for everything, lol.
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> I understand my build order may cause some problems for me, I understand that I’m probably a terrible player, but what I don’t understand is the obvious FACT that in almost every match I’ve ever seen, included ones I don’t play and just watch my roommate play, alien race wins. I’d love to see the Microsoft stats on Alien wins, it’s so obvious, it’s not even debatable. And I love games that have equal and same skills/units on both sides. One of my favorite shooters and arguably the best Battlefield game ever produced has 3 weapon kits, same on both sides, no balance nerf culture. As for the chess comment, I would love for a chess based mindset to hit a modern title. This is an issue in each and every multiplayer game released as of recent years… Too many variables, too many exploits, not enough skill, management and coordinating. Dont even get me started on Halo 5, another example of a complete pile of trash shooter that plays to the pockets of micro rather than just being a good game that ppl will buy. Profit driven, kiddie gameplay… Part of me wants to blame 10 years of COD for everything, lol.
If you look at the leaderboards of Halo Wars 2 you’ll find a pretty fair split between UNSC and Banished.
That said asymmetrical gameplay has been a stable of RTS titles since StarCraft. Difference s between races is what makes it fun.
I switched from playing the Banished to UNSC this season, and outside of shipmaster I think the UNSC is stronger than the Banished in most ways. UNSC units, outside of the locust, slaughter banished forces at the moment, solely because of units like the scorpion. If you look at the leaderboards, it’s a pretty even split between banished and UNSC. The races have some level of asymmetrical balance, but for the most part it works out. I’d recommend taking a close look at your build order, and trying out the banished. It might give you a better feel for how their units function and what works against them.
If you want some help with build orders, etc, PM me. I can put some time aside next week to help you out. I’d rather not see more of the community leave, haha.
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> I switched from playing the Banished to UNSC this season, and outside of shipmaster I think the UNSC is stronger than the Banished in most ways. UNSC units, outside of the locust, slaughter banished forces at the moment, solely because of units like the scorpion. If you look at the leaderboards, it’s a pretty even split between banished and UNSC. The races have some level of asymmetrical balance, but for the most part it works out. I’d recommend taking a close look at your build order, and trying out the banished. It might give you a better feel for how their units function and what works against them.
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> If you want some help with build orders, etc, PM me. I can put some time aside next week to help you out. I’d rather not see more of the community leave, haha.
Very nice of you.
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> Soooo you’re saying you want to remove all forms of unique gameplay from this RTS and have people just use the same units?
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> Might as well play chess.
man, that is your go to line isn’t it?? If anyone wants to change anything, that’s always your response. Although I don’t agree with him, other than choppers, I can connect with him by disliking you as much as he does XD Chess definitely has way more strategy then this game right now. So please, go play chess. It might make you good
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> I understand my build order may cause some problems for me, I understand that I’m probably a terrible player, but what I don’t understand is the obvious FACT that in almost every match I’ve ever seen, included ones I don’t play and just watch my roommate play, alien race wins. I’d love to see the Microsoft stats on Alien wins, it’s so obvious, it’s not even debatable. And I love games that have equal and same skills/units on both sides. One of my favorite shooters and arguably the best Battlefield game ever produced has 3 weapon kits, same on both sides, no balance nerf culture. As for the chess comment, I would love for a chess based mindset to hit a modern title. This is an issue in each and every multiplayer game released as of recent years… Too many variables, too many exploits, not enough skill, management and coordinating. Dont even get me started on Halo 5, another example of a complete pile of trash shooter that plays to the pockets of micro rather than just being a good game that ppl will buy. Profit driven, kiddie gameplay… Part of me wants to blame 10 years of COD for everything, lol.
Your sample size is too small to be making assumptions like that. Also I find the two factions to be pretty balanced right now.
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> > Soooo you’re saying you want to remove all forms of unique gameplay from this RTS and have people just use the same units?
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> man, that is your go to line isn’t it?? If anyone wants to change anything, that’s always your response. Although I don’t agree with him, other than choppers, I can connect with him by disliking you as much as he does XD Chess definitely has way more strategy then this game right now. So please, go play chess. It might make you good
Considering you and I are about the same skill level yet I’ve played half the games you have, I don’t think either of us have reason to say “it might make you good”.
That said, I’m only opposed to change when it’s not grounded on facts or gameplay. When people clamor for unnecessary changes because they haven’t played enough to learn a way around a unit/strategy that’s when I oppose it.
DALT11, if you’re in agreement with Breezy on this thread’s contents, why fight him here on it? It makes no sense. Disagree with him when you actually have an opposing view…
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Sounds like you don’t even like RTS in the first place. Comparing apples to oranges does nothing for your argument of balance.
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> DALT11, if you’re in agreement with Breezy on this thread’s contents, why fight him here on it? It makes no sense. Disagree with him when you actually have an opposing view…
Because he comes on every thread and says the same thing every time. He fights me on my thread, he fights this guy on his thread, and I’m sure he does and says the same thing on many other threads. He annoys the hell out of a ton of people. And he never really conveys any facts or good messages it’s always the same thing “I would just play chess,” no matter what the opinion is. That’s why I fight him on here. Plus, it is never anything constructive or even logical to the topic.
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