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> > > > There’s no need for aim assist. You can be good and skilled with a controller.
> > > > I was kicking some -Yoink- with precision weapons at the end of the tech preview with an xbox controller.
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> > > No need for it? Lol. Its already in the game.
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> > > > > Its really that simple but we need this message to reach 343!
> > > > > A slight controller aim assist buff would be a big help. We play with an inherently inferior aiming tool, this is the whole point of aim assist. I want to be able to use that sniper too!
> > > >
> > > > Then this means mnk players will never be able to play fairly against u guys and mcc was proof of the issue. Aim assist needs to be where it is and I find that infinite has a good enough amount to keep controller players keeping up. I found it still too easy on controller and ur saying its hard?
> > >
> > > Plenty of MnK MCC players did just fine. Its just cause controller playes annihilated them that they thought their was an inherent problem. How is MCC ‘proof’ when there’s a big difference between where MCC and Infinite are aim assist wise?
> > >
> > > And why does it need to stay as is, so the Mnk players can have an advantage? Nah, I want parity between the inputs.
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> > i still play and i wipe the floor with them. But a majority find the issues with it. Mnk players have always been at a disadvantage regardless lol.
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> We’re talking about decade old or more Console FPS’s, not Infinite which is being built from the ground up for both.
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> Honestly, I think Mnk’s inherent arrogance and elitism is why they cry over MCC. Halo 3 is an even playing field for both inputs. I hope Infinite’s gunplay/aiming quality improves
no its not the elitism… omg controller players will never get it and I’ve played both. Mnk is 100% harder…
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> > > So me, a 10+ year halo veteran, who is highly ranked in every halo game i’ve ever played needs more practice.
> >
> > I was playing multiplayer shooters on PC back when the first Halo was a future Mac exclusive. And yes, I will still need to practice Halo Infinite. As I do with every FPS game I play.
> >
> > It is quite outrageus to say that you are somehow entitled for zero effort and no practice when Halo Infinite comes out.
> >
> > Your whole argument is basically: ‘I need the strong aim assist because I don’t want to practice or learn a new Halo game like everyone else’.
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> Thats not my argument at all actually, did you even read the post? You took one little snippet and singled it out lol. I never said I was entitled. I said the aiming doesnt feel good. Which it doesnt. Even top halo pros said it doesnt feel good. When did I say I need strong aim assist? I never said that. I said the aim assist needs a buff to one balance controller and m&k, and to make the game more fun to play from a casual standpoint. None of that implies strong aim assist. A small buff would go a long way. So please stop pulling stuff out your -Yoink- to defend this when a small aim assist buff would literally benefit everyone and make the game more fun to play.
You were giving an impression of being entitled, you don’t need to say it.
I think you are also misinterpreting what the top players have said about aiming in general to support your demand for aim assist increase.
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> As long as we all remember the average player is what matters. It’s a video game that many people of differing skill levels want to enjoy, not the Olympics.
Most Olympic sports (if not all) can be enjoyed by people with differing skill levels without any additional -Yoink!-.
The level of play in my beer league ice hockey games is far from professional games, but no one there needs skating assist. The game is fun because we are playing roughly at the same level.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Its really that simple but we need this message to reach 343!
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > A slight controller aim assist buff would be a big help. We play with an inherently inferior aiming tool, this is the whole point of aim assist. I want to be able to use that sniper too!
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Then this means mnk players will never be able to play fairly against u guys and mcc was proof of the issue. Aim assist needs to be where it is and I find that infinite has a good enough amount to keep controller players keeping up. I found it still too easy on controller and ur saying its hard?
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> > > > > > > > > > > > Nah aim assist needs a buff, I don’t know if it was because I played on Xbox one but controller felt terrible. The aim assist definitely can’t stay as it is because mnk has a massive advantage right now, the guns controller struggles with: commando, sniper and skewer are lasers on mnk.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > You also gotta remember that all the games on mcc were made for console and were out for awhile. All the players PC players encountered had a ton of time and experience in the games of course mnk wouldn’t dominate. Just try and get Onyx on halo 5 right now even with the high aim assist you’re gonna get thrashed by sweats.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > The real losers of this situation are the controller esports players. Cross input presents so many balance disputes. Combining inputs off the bat is a risky decision that 343 should’ve eased into.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Then u clearly dunno how mnk players play like. I came from both controller and mnk. I even struggled with commando on both inputs and it felt worse on mnk because of the input delay. There is a clear distinction between good and bad mnk players as there is to controller players. Mnk does not equate to aimbot because if u heard that from somewhere u r terribly wrong. For the whole of MCC mnk players have been dominated by controller players and its their job to balance them both. In my opinion both feels just as fine and if ur still saying that controller aim assist feels low idk what to say because I had a 60% accuracy on controller as my peak.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Clearly u dunno how to read, I never said mnk was aimbot but compared to controller it has the potential to always be better ask anyone. The aim assist On Infinite was also trash that’s why there’s so many threads on the topic. The two arguments on these threads are people who ask for some aim assist and “git gud” which comment is more rational. How are you getting input delay with mnk are you playing wireless? In that case I’m pretty sure 90% of controller players play with a wireless controller and tvs not monitors.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > 343 also doesn’t owe anything to PC players its been the flagship of Xbox for years. Right now though mnk has the advantage I guess summit1g crying worked its magic. If I were in 343s shoes I would add some aim assist for controller or this can damage the casual player base which is ultimately the more important playerbase for business. I’m honestly surprised they didn’t announce a battle Royale mode, that coupled with the cosmetic microtransactions is free money and publicity.
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> > > > > > > > > > Great accuracy dude, you should have no problem getting into Champ on halo 5 if you thought the aim on Infinite was fine. A lot of people have contrasting opinions on the Infinite aim though
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> > > > > > > > > lol u clearly dont know what i am saying either and funny u say 343 owes nothing to pc players but it launched with pc. Dont need to be salty because of aim assist just get better lol.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > And the git gud gamer is revealed… It seems like I understood the trash you spewed well enough since you couldn’t even think of a reply, or maybe my reddit karma isn’t high enough and I couldn’t comprehend this reddit moment. Also ironic you tell me to get better when my halo 5 comp rank is higher. Take your own advice buddy.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > its hard facts and the fact that u think that wired peripherals dont have input delay is not smart to say the least. There are reasons such as poor optimisations, but you wouldn’t know. The fact u think that halo 5 is an even comparison is absolutely ridiculous. U realise everyone has aim assist on that game which doesn’t still answer my question about balancing. Deal with it and move on. Stop crying like a baby about it. Furthermore, 343’s direction is none of ur business and apparently to u PC players are crybabies? Look at you crying about aim assist. Its good where it is now even snipedown says that. If u dont like it dont play the game its that simple. Plus, the halo community doesn’t need unwelcoming people like u driving mnk players from the game.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The majority of people asking for aim assist are casual players who aren’t going to waste their time playing without aim assist when so many other games exist. The guy who made this thread and I both want extra aim assist and both have better stats than you, but yet you call us bad when you are worse.
> > > > > > I also don’t believe all pc players are crybabies, only you, summit and everyone else who gets salty and cries when they won’t be able to pubstomp people when they turn on the game. Toxic players like you are the ones that drive away new players from games.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Also not comparing halo 5 to infinite, only comparing the skill you think you have with the limited aim assist in Infinite to the “insane aim assist” in halo 5. The fact that you got that all confused is pretty stupid.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > If the halo community consists of toxic people like you that cry when new players stand a chance then you shouldn’t be welcomed lmao.
> > > > >
> > > > > im legit saying its fine as is. If u dont respect my opinion why should I respect u? I came off very polite initially. The way u framed ur words were rude and utterly disrespectful.
> > > >
> > > > By that logic you’re not respecting the opinion of the original guy because you don’t agree that aim assist needs a slight buff. My reply to your opinion was my contrasting opinion via my experience in the flight which was also polite.
> > > > You then said I dunno anything and said that I called mnk aimbot, which I didn’t I simply said it was better, which it always be better than controller accuracy wise its a fact. Since then I’ve only been reciprocating the rudeness you started when you said “just get better”. Maybe you read my reply like it was hostile which it wasn’t, depends on the way you read something. I always try to read these threads In a neutral attitude but saying “just get better” is pretty disrespectful.
> >
> > Just no. xD
> >
> > Picking up Mnk is way easier than getting really good on controller.
>
> lol if u can hit consistent long ranged arm flicks. Have u dropped 30 bombs consistently with mnk?
Nope, I’ve never played on MnK.
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> no its not the elitism… omg controller players will never get it and I’ve played both. Mnk is 100% harder…
Its funny. Cause its mostly MnK players who I’ve seen say the opposite. MnK is the easier input.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Its really that simple but we need this message to reach 343!
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A slight controller aim assist buff would be a big help. We play with an inherently inferior aiming tool, this is the whole point of aim assist. I want to be able to use that sniper too!
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Then this means mnk players will never be able to play fairly against u guys and mcc was proof of the issue. Aim assist needs to be where it is and I find that infinite has a good enough amount to keep controller players keeping up. I found it still too easy on controller and ur saying its hard?
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > Nah aim assist needs a buff, I don’t know if it was because I played on Xbox one but controller felt terrible. The aim assist definitely can’t stay as it is because mnk has a massive advantage right now, the guns controller struggles with: commando, sniper and skewer are lasers on mnk.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > You also gotta remember that all the games on mcc were made for console and were out for awhile. All the players PC players encountered had a ton of time and experience in the games of course mnk wouldn’t dominate. Just try and get Onyx on halo 5 right now even with the high aim assist you’re gonna get thrashed by sweats.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > The real losers of this situation are the controller esports players. Cross input presents so many balance disputes. Combining inputs off the bat is a risky decision that 343 should’ve eased into.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Then u clearly dunno how mnk players play like. I came from both controller and mnk. I even struggled with commando on both inputs and it felt worse on mnk because of the input delay. There is a clear distinction between good and bad mnk players as there is to controller players. Mnk does not equate to aimbot because if u heard that from somewhere u r terribly wrong. For the whole of MCC mnk players have been dominated by controller players and its their job to balance them both. In my opinion both feels just as fine and if ur still saying that controller aim assist feels low idk what to say because I had a 60% accuracy on controller as my peak.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Clearly u dunno how to read, I never said mnk was aimbot but compared to controller it has the potential to always be better ask anyone. The aim assist On Infinite was also trash that’s why there’s so many threads on the topic. The two arguments on these threads are people who ask for some aim assist and “git gud” which comment is more rational. How are you getting input delay with mnk are you playing wireless? In that case I’m pretty sure 90% of controller players play with a wireless controller and tvs not monitors.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > 343 also doesn’t owe anything to PC players its been the flagship of Xbox for years. Right now though mnk has the advantage I guess summit1g crying worked its magic. If I were in 343s shoes I would add some aim assist for controller or this can damage the casual player base which is ultimately the more important playerbase for business. I’m honestly surprised they didn’t announce a battle Royale mode, that coupled with the cosmetic microtransactions is free money and publicity.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Great accuracy dude, you should have no problem getting into Champ on halo 5 if you thought the aim on Infinite was fine. A lot of people have contrasting opinions on the Infinite aim though
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > lol u clearly dont know what i am saying either and funny u say 343 owes nothing to pc players but it launched with pc. Dont need to be salty because of aim assist just get better lol.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > And the git gud gamer is revealed… It seems like I understood the trash you spewed well enough since you couldn’t even think of a reply, or maybe my reddit karma isn’t high enough and I couldn’t comprehend this reddit moment. Also ironic you tell me to get better when my halo 5 comp rank is higher. Take your own advice buddy.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > its hard facts and the fact that u think that wired peripherals dont have input delay is not smart to say the least. There are reasons such as poor optimisations, but you wouldn’t know. The fact u think that halo 5 is an even comparison is absolutely ridiculous. U realise everyone has aim assist on that game which doesn’t still answer my question about balancing. Deal with it and move on. Stop crying like a baby about it. Furthermore, 343’s direction is none of ur business and apparently to u PC players are crybabies? Look at you crying about aim assist. Its good where it is now even snipedown says that. If u dont like it dont play the game its that simple. Plus, the halo community doesn’t need unwelcoming people like u driving mnk players from the game.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The majority of people asking for aim assist are casual players who aren’t going to waste their time playing without aim assist when so many other games exist. The guy who made this thread and I both want extra aim assist and both have better stats than you, but yet you call us bad when you are worse.
> > > > > > > I also don’t believe all pc players are crybabies, only you, summit and everyone else who gets salty and cries when they won’t be able to pubstomp people when they turn on the game. Toxic players like you are the ones that drive away new players from games.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Also not comparing halo 5 to infinite, only comparing the skill you think you have with the limited aim assist in Infinite to the “insane aim assist” in halo 5. The fact that you got that all confused is pretty stupid.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > If the halo community consists of toxic people like you that cry when new players stand a chance then you shouldn’t be welcomed lmao.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > im legit saying its fine as is. If u dont respect my opinion why should I respect u? I came off very polite initially. The way u framed ur words were rude and utterly disrespectful.
> > > > >
> > > > > By that logic you’re not respecting the opinion of the original guy because you don’t agree that aim assist needs a slight buff. My reply to your opinion was my contrasting opinion via my experience in the flight which was also polite.
> > > > > You then said I dunno anything and said that I called mnk aimbot, which I didn’t I simply said it was better, which it always be better than controller accuracy wise its a fact. Since then I’ve only been reciprocating the rudeness you started when you said “just get better”. Maybe you read my reply like it was hostile which it wasn’t, depends on the way you read something. I always try to read these threads In a neutral attitude but saying “just get better” is pretty disrespectful.
> > >
> > > Just no. xD
> > >
> > > Picking up Mnk is way easier than getting really good on controller.
> >
> > lol if u can hit consistent long ranged arm flicks. Have u dropped 30 bombs consistently with mnk?
>
> Nope, I’ve never played on MnK.
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> Its funny. Cause its mostly MnK players who I’ve seen say the opposite. MnK is the easier input.
if u have never played on mnk and u say its easy rightttt
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> > > > So me, a 10+ year halo veteran, who is highly ranked in every halo game i’ve ever played needs more practice.
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> > > I was playing multiplayer shooters on PC back when the first Halo was a future Mac exclusive. And yes, I will still need to practice Halo Infinite. As I do with every FPS game I play.
> > >
> > > It is quite outrageus to say that you are somehow entitled for zero effort and no practice when Halo Infinite comes out.
> > >
> > > Your whole argument is basically: ‘I need the strong aim assist because I don’t want to practice or learn a new Halo game like everyone else’.
> >
> > Thats not my argument at all actually, did you even read the post? You took one little snippet and singled it out lol. I never said I was entitled. I said the aiming doesnt feel good. Which it doesnt. Even top halo pros said it doesnt feel good. When did I say I need strong aim assist? I never said that. I said the aim assist needs a buff to one balance controller and m&k, and to make the game more fun to play from a casual standpoint. None of that implies strong aim assist. A small buff would go a long way. So please stop pulling stuff out your -Yoink- to defend this when a small aim assist buff would literally benefit everyone and make the game more fun to play.
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> You were giving an impression of being entitled, you don’t need to say it.
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> I think you are also misinterpreting what the top players have said about aiming in general to support your demand for aim assist increase.
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> When it comes to aim assist this is what Snip3down wrote on his Twitter: https://twitter.com/Snip3down/status/1421604304700338177
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> > The aim assist in Halo Infinite is less than any other FPS I’ve played, I love it. True aim skill will shine in this game
>
> I agree with him.
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> He did complain about potential input lag during his stream, which is a different thing.
thats the point ive been trying to make it feels fine and is fair for both ends. Ive watched his stream on the flight day too and he said the same things
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A slight controller aim assist buff would be a big help. We play with an inherently inferior aiming tool, this is the whole point of aim assist. I want to be able to use that sniper too!
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Then this means mnk players will never be able to play fairly against u guys and mcc was proof of the issue. Aim assist needs to be where it is and I find that infinite has a good enough amount to keep controller players keeping up. I found it still too easy on controller and ur saying its hard?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nah aim assist needs a buff, I don’t know if it was because I played on Xbox one but controller felt terrible. The aim assist definitely can’t stay as it is because mnk has a massive advantage right now, the guns controller struggles with: commando, sniper and skewer are lasers on mnk.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > You also gotta remember that all the games on mcc were made for console and were out for awhile. All the players PC players encountered had a ton of time and experience in the games of course mnk wouldn’t dominate. Just try and get Onyx on halo 5 right now even with the high aim assist you’re gonna get thrashed by sweats.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > The real losers of this situation are the controller esports players. Cross input presents so many balance disputes. Combining inputs off the bat is a risky decision that 343 should’ve eased into.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Then u clearly dunno how mnk players play like. I came from both controller and mnk. I even struggled with commando on both inputs and it felt worse on mnk because of the input delay. There is a clear distinction between good and bad mnk players as there is to controller players. Mnk does not equate to aimbot because if u heard that from somewhere u r terribly wrong. For the whole of MCC mnk players have been dominated by controller players and its their job to balance them both. In my opinion both feels just as fine and if ur still saying that controller aim assist feels low idk what to say because I had a 60% accuracy on controller as my peak.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Clearly u dunno how to read, I never said mnk was aimbot but compared to controller it has the potential to always be better ask anyone. The aim assist On Infinite was also trash that’s why there’s so many threads on the topic. The two arguments on these threads are people who ask for some aim assist and “git gud” which comment is more rational. How are you getting input delay with mnk are you playing wireless? In that case I’m pretty sure 90% of controller players play with a wireless controller and tvs not monitors.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > 343 also doesn’t owe anything to PC players its been the flagship of Xbox for years. Right now though mnk has the advantage I guess summit1g crying worked its magic. If I were in 343s shoes I would add some aim assist for controller or this can damage the casual player base which is ultimately the more important playerbase for business. I’m honestly surprised they didn’t announce a battle Royale mode, that coupled with the cosmetic microtransactions is free money and publicity.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Great accuracy dude, you should have no problem getting into Champ on halo 5 if you thought the aim on Infinite was fine. A lot of people have contrasting opinions on the Infinite aim though
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > lol u clearly dont know what i am saying either and funny u say 343 owes nothing to pc players but it launched with pc. Dont need to be salty because of aim assist just get better lol.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > And the git gud gamer is revealed… It seems like I understood the trash you spewed well enough since you couldn’t even think of a reply, or maybe my reddit karma isn’t high enough and I couldn’t comprehend this reddit moment. Also ironic you tell me to get better when my halo 5 comp rank is higher. Take your own advice buddy.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > its hard facts and the fact that u think that wired peripherals dont have input delay is not smart to say the least. There are reasons such as poor optimisations, but you wouldn’t know. The fact u think that halo 5 is an even comparison is absolutely ridiculous. U realise everyone has aim assist on that game which doesn’t still answer my question about balancing. Deal with it and move on. Stop crying like a baby about it. Furthermore, 343’s direction is none of ur business and apparently to u PC players are crybabies? Look at you crying about aim assist. Its good where it is now even snipedown says that. If u dont like it dont play the game its that simple. Plus, the halo community doesn’t need unwelcoming people like u driving mnk players from the game.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > The majority of people asking for aim assist are casual players who aren’t going to waste their time playing without aim assist when so many other games exist. The guy who made this thread and I both want extra aim assist and both have better stats than you, but yet you call us bad when you are worse.
> > > > > > > > I also don’t believe all pc players are crybabies, only you, summit and everyone else who gets salty and cries when they won’t be able to pubstomp people when they turn on the game. Toxic players like you are the ones that drive away new players from games.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Also not comparing halo 5 to infinite, only comparing the skill you think you have with the limited aim assist in Infinite to the “insane aim assist” in halo 5. The fact that you got that all confused is pretty stupid.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > If the halo community consists of toxic people like you that cry when new players stand a chance then you shouldn’t be welcomed lmao.
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> > > > > > > im legit saying its fine as is. If u dont respect my opinion why should I respect u? I came off very polite initially. The way u framed ur words were rude and utterly disrespectful.
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> > > > > > By that logic you’re not respecting the opinion of the original guy because you don’t agree that aim assist needs a slight buff. My reply to your opinion was my contrasting opinion via my experience in the flight which was also polite.
> > > > > > You then said I dunno anything and said that I called mnk aimbot, which I didn’t I simply said it was better, which it always be better than controller accuracy wise its a fact. Since then I’ve only been reciprocating the rudeness you started when you said “just get better”. Maybe you read my reply like it was hostile which it wasn’t, depends on the way you read something. I always try to read these threads In a neutral attitude but saying “just get better” is pretty disrespectful.
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> > > > Just no. xD
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> > > > Picking up Mnk is way easier than getting really good on controller.
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> > > lol if u can hit consistent long ranged arm flicks. Have u dropped 30 bombs consistently with mnk?
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> > Nope, I’ve never played on MnK.
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> > Its funny. Cause its mostly MnK players who I’ve seen say the opposite. MnK is the easier input.
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> if u have never played on mnk and u say its easy rightttt
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Its really that simple but we need this message to reach 343!
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A slight controller aim assist buff would be a big help. We play with an inherently inferior aiming tool, this is the whole point of aim assist. I want to be able to use that sniper too!
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Then this means mnk players will never be able to play fairly against u guys and mcc was proof of the issue. Aim assist needs to be where it is and I find that infinite has a good enough amount to keep controller players keeping up. I found it still too easy on controller and ur saying its hard?
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nah aim assist needs a buff, I don’t know if it was because I played on Xbox one but controller felt terrible. The aim assist definitely can’t stay as it is because mnk has a massive advantage right now, the guns controller struggles with: commando, sniper and skewer are lasers on mnk.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You also gotta remember that all the games on mcc were made for console and were out for awhile. All the players PC players encountered had a ton of time and experience in the games of course mnk wouldn’t dominate. Just try and get Onyx on halo 5 right now even with the high aim assist you’re gonna get thrashed by sweats.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The real losers of this situation are the controller esports players. Cross input presents so many balance disputes. Combining inputs off the bat is a risky decision that 343 should’ve eased into.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Then u clearly dunno how mnk players play like. I came from both controller and mnk. I even struggled with commando on both inputs and it felt worse on mnk because of the input delay. There is a clear distinction between good and bad mnk players as there is to controller players. Mnk does not equate to aimbot because if u heard that from somewhere u r terribly wrong. For the whole of MCC mnk players have been dominated by controller players and its their job to balance them both. In my opinion both feels just as fine and if ur still saying that controller aim assist feels low idk what to say because I had a 60% accuracy on controller as my peak.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > Clearly u dunno how to read, I never said mnk was aimbot but compared to controller it has the potential to always be better ask anyone. The aim assist On Infinite was also trash that’s why there’s so many threads on the topic. The two arguments on these threads are people who ask for some aim assist and “git gud” which comment is more rational. How are you getting input delay with mnk are you playing wireless? In that case I’m pretty sure 90% of controller players play with a wireless controller and tvs not monitors.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > 343 also doesn’t owe anything to PC players its been the flagship of Xbox for years. Right now though mnk has the advantage I guess summit1g crying worked its magic. If I were in 343s shoes I would add some aim assist for controller or this can damage the casual player base which is ultimately the more important playerbase for business. I’m honestly surprised they didn’t announce a battle Royale mode, that coupled with the cosmetic microtransactions is free money and publicity.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > Great accuracy dude, you should have no problem getting into Champ on halo 5 if you thought the aim on Infinite was fine. A lot of people have contrasting opinions on the Infinite aim though
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> > > > > > > > > > > > lol u clearly dont know what i am saying either and funny u say 343 owes nothing to pc players but it launched with pc. Dont need to be salty because of aim assist just get better lol.
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> > > > > > > > > > > And the git gud gamer is revealed… It seems like I understood the trash you spewed well enough since you couldn’t even think of a reply, or maybe my reddit karma isn’t high enough and I couldn’t comprehend this reddit moment. Also ironic you tell me to get better when my halo 5 comp rank is higher. Take your own advice buddy.
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> > > > > > > > > > its hard facts and the fact that u think that wired peripherals dont have input delay is not smart to say the least. There are reasons such as poor optimisations, but you wouldn’t know. The fact u think that halo 5 is an even comparison is absolutely ridiculous. U realise everyone has aim assist on that game which doesn’t still answer my question about balancing. Deal with it and move on. Stop crying like a baby about it. Furthermore, 343’s direction is none of ur business and apparently to u PC players are crybabies? Look at you crying about aim assist. Its good where it is now even snipedown says that. If u dont like it dont play the game its that simple. Plus, the halo community doesn’t need unwelcoming people like u driving mnk players from the game.
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> > > > > > > > > The majority of people asking for aim assist are casual players who aren’t going to waste their time playing without aim assist when so many other games exist. The guy who made this thread and I both want extra aim assist and both have better stats than you, but yet you call us bad when you are worse.
> > > > > > > > > I also don’t believe all pc players are crybabies, only you, summit and everyone else who gets salty and cries when they won’t be able to pubstomp people when they turn on the game. Toxic players like you are the ones that drive away new players from games.
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> > > > > > > > > Also not comparing halo 5 to infinite, only comparing the skill you think you have with the limited aim assist in Infinite to the “insane aim assist” in halo 5. The fact that you got that all confused is pretty stupid.
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> > > > > > > > > If the halo community consists of toxic people like you that cry when new players stand a chance then you shouldn’t be welcomed lmao.
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> > > > > > > > im legit saying its fine as is. If u dont respect my opinion why should I respect u? I came off very polite initially. The way u framed ur words were rude and utterly disrespectful.
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> > > > > > > By that logic you’re not respecting the opinion of the original guy because you don’t agree that aim assist needs a slight buff. My reply to your opinion was my contrasting opinion via my experience in the flight which was also polite.
> > > > > > > You then said I dunno anything and said that I called mnk aimbot, which I didn’t I simply said it was better, which it always be better than controller accuracy wise its a fact. Since then I’ve only been reciprocating the rudeness you started when you said “just get better”. Maybe you read my reply like it was hostile which it wasn’t, depends on the way you read something. I always try to read these threads In a neutral attitude but saying “just get better” is pretty disrespectful.
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> > > > > Just no. xD
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> > > > > Picking up Mnk is way easier than getting really good on controller.
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> > > > lol if u can hit consistent long ranged arm flicks. Have u dropped 30 bombs consistently with mnk?
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> > > Nope, I’ve never played on MnK.
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> > > > no its not the elitism… omg controller players will never get it and I’ve played both. Mnk is 100% harder…
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> > > Its funny. Cause its mostly MnK players who I’ve seen say the opposite. MnK is the easier input.
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> > if u have never played on mnk and u say its easy rightttt
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> Heard it from people more trust worthy than you.
LMFAOOOOOO heard from people and u expect every pc player to think the same smh and makes things worse u never touched one AHHAAH
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> It is also why I believe that both controller and MBK players need to be separated, especially in ranked games.
Let’s not forget something: A reminder for all of you guys here, to consider all things. Maybe the AA is not the only thing wich is the eventually the problem, but the Clanky/janky feeling of aiming with the Controller.
Some user had a discussion about the “Controller Aim Incident”, the problem is maybe the following:
"Aiming in general is broken, not just aim assist. Deadzones are borked beyond belief, and aiming diagonally is way slower than aiming horizontally and vertically. This is the core of the problem and is why aiming feels terrible. Even if they ramp aim assist way up it’s still going to feel like yoink until they fix the core issues with aiming."
I felt the same way when i was playing, it didn’t matter wich sens or deadzone settings you use, it felt always janky and inconsistent.
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> Most Olympic sports (if not all) can be enjoyed by people with differing skill levels without any additional -Yoink!-.
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> The level of play in my beer league ice hockey games is far from professional games, but no one there needs skating assist. The game is fun because we are playing roughly at the same level.
This is a video game played with an input device human beings cannot anatomically cope with very well. Aim assist exists for a reason, and you’re getting your -Yoink!- in a twist over average people not wanting to feel frustrated when playing a game on their Xbox a few hours a week. No, training hundreds of hours should not be required to get a decent about of fun out of the game. Why? Because it’s a video game, not a physical sport. Stop being elitist about what amounts to digital toys.
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> This is a video game played with an input device human beings cannot anatomically cope with very well. Aim assist exists for a reason, and you’re getting your -Yoink!- in a twist over average people not wanting to feel frustrated when playing a game on their Xbox a few hours a week. No, training hundreds of hours should not be required to get a decent about of fun out of the game. Why? Because it’s a video game, not a physical sport. Stop being elitist about what amounts to digital toys.
Your reasoning does not work. People are not designed to do many sports like ice hockey. In fact, learning to ice skate and play ice hockey is much harder than picking up a controller and playing Halo in multiplayer. Yet we also have bad to average ice hockey players who are enjoying playing ice hockey even when it takes a lot of effort to get started.
I think you are underestimating the average players and the fun they can have in Halo multiplayer without any additional work. The level of aim assist does not matter because everyone has the same limitations.
People in my office have no Halo experience, but I guarantee that they would enjoy playing Halo against each other if given opportunity. As they all are on same level, the level of aim assist is no factor at all in their enjoyment of the game.
It was probably much harder to land headshots in N64 Goldeneye splitscreen multiplayer that was running 10 fps at best. The casual players loved it.
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> > This is a video game played with an input device human beings cannot anatomically cope with very well. Aim assist exists for a reason, and you’re getting your -Yoink!- in a twist over average people not wanting to feel frustrated when playing a game on their Xbox a few hours a week. No, training hundreds of hours should not be required to get a decent about of fun out of the game. Why? Because it’s a video game, not a physical sport. Stop being elitist about what amounts to digital toys.
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> Your reasoning does not work. People are not designed to do many sports like ice hockey. In fact, learning to ice skate and play ice hockey is much harder than picking up a controller and playing Halo in multiplayer. Yet we also have bad to average ice hockey players who are enjoying playing ice hockey even when it takes a lot of effort to get started.
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> It was probably much harder to land headshots in N64 Goldeneye splitscreen multiplayer that was running 10 fps at best. The casual players loved it.
Most average people are having issues with the aim assist. If they weren’t, there wouldn’t be such a huge outcry about it. It might be single biggest non-technical issue people are having right now. Just because you don’t have an issue, doesn’t mean other people aren’t. Halo 3 had a large skill gap and had far more aim assist. Halo 3 even had far more bullet magnetism, and the MLG kiddos went crazy for it despite that. I get the feeling you don’t have much experience in past Halo games, because aim assist has little to do with how good a player can be. All it does is make it so the average player can sit down and have fun day 1. This is a toy, and you are upset that people don’t want the high level model kit you’re asking for.
Halo 3 did fine with the amount of aim assist it had. Even 75% of Halo 3’s aim assist would be an improvement. You’re being massively elitist and trying to keep the average controller player gimped. Once again: Aim assist had little to do with how good someone was in past Halo games.
PS: Mentioning Golden Eye works against you. Console FPS games were not very well liked before Combat Evolved, largely because they lacked aim assist. Combat Evolved was the defining console FPS because of its controls.
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> > > This is a video game played with an input device human beings cannot anatomically cope with very well. Aim assist exists for a reason, and you’re getting your -Yoink!- in a twist over average people not wanting to feel frustrated when playing a game on their Xbox a few hours a week. No, training hundreds of hours should not be required to get a decent about of fun out of the game. Why? Because it’s a video game, not a physical sport. Stop being elitist about what amounts to digital toys.
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> > Your reasoning does not work. People are not designed to do many sports like ice hockey. In fact, learning to ice skate and play ice hockey is much harder than picking up a controller and playing Halo in multiplayer. Yet we also have bad to average ice hockey players who are enjoying playing ice hockey even when it takes a lot of effort to get started.
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> > It was probably much harder to land headshots in N64 Goldeneye splitscreen multiplayer that was running 10 fps at best. The casual players loved it.
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> Most average people are having issues with the aim assist. If they weren’t, there wouldn’t be such a huge outcry about it. It might be single biggest non-technical issue people are having right now. Just because you don’t have an issue, doesn’t mean other people aren’t. Halo 3 had a large skill gap and had far more aim assist. Halo 3 even had far more bullet magnetism, and the MLG kiddos went crazy for it despite that. I get the feeling you don’t have much experience in past Halo games, because aim assist has little to do with how good a player can be. All it does is make it so the average player can sit down and have fun day 1. This is a toy, and you are upset that people don’t want the high level model kit you’re asking for.
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> This isn’t about you. This is about making the game fun to play out of the box. Note how people are asking for a small increase, not a huge one like this: Star Wars Bounty Hunter (PS4) - Let's Play - Part 1 - "Dead Or Alive, Meeko" | DanQ8000 - YouTube
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> Halo 3 did fine with the amount of aim assist it had. Even 75% of Halo 3’s aim assist would be an improvement. You’re being massively elitist and trying to keep the average controller player gimped. Once again: Aim assist had little to do with how good someone was in past Halo games.
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> PS: Mentioning Golden Eye works against you. Console FPS games were not very well liked before Combat Evolved, largely because they lacked aim assist. Combat Evolved was the defining console FPS because of its controls.
ummm but what about the casual mnk players. A player without previous aim discipline on mnk will always be destroyed by a controller player with high levels of aim assist. Not saying that aim assist should exist but at the level it is right now it feels good.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Its really that simple but we need this message to reach 343!
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A slight controller aim assist buff would be a big help. We play with an inherently inferior aiming tool, this is the whole point of aim assist. I want to be able to use that sniper too!
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Then this means mnk players will never be able to play fairly against u guys and mcc was proof of the issue. Aim assist needs to be where it is and I find that infinite has a good enough amount to keep controller players keeping up. I found it still too easy on controller and ur saying its hard?
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nah aim assist needs a buff, I don’t know if it was because I played on Xbox one but controller felt terrible. The aim assist definitely can’t stay as it is because mnk has a massive advantage right now, the guns controller struggles with: commando, sniper and skewer are lasers on mnk.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You also gotta remember that all the games on mcc were made for console and were out for awhile. All the players PC players encountered had a ton of time and experience in the games of course mnk wouldn’t dominate. Just try and get Onyx on halo 5 right now even with the high aim assist you’re gonna get thrashed by sweats.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The real losers of this situation are the controller esports players. Cross input presents so many balance disputes. Combining inputs off the bat is a risky decision that 343 should’ve eased into.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Then u clearly dunno how mnk players play like. I came from both controller and mnk. I even struggled with commando on both inputs and it felt worse on mnk because of the input delay. There is a clear distinction between good and bad mnk players as there is to controller players. Mnk does not equate to aimbot because if u heard that from somewhere u r terribly wrong. For the whole of MCC mnk players have been dominated by controller players and its their job to balance them both. In my opinion both feels just as fine and if ur still saying that controller aim assist feels low idk what to say because I had a 60% accuracy on controller as my peak.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Clearly u dunno how to read, I never said mnk was aimbot but compared to controller it has the potential to always be better ask anyone. The aim assist On Infinite was also trash that’s why there’s so many threads on the topic. The two arguments on these threads are people who ask for some aim assist and “git gud” which comment is more rational. How are you getting input delay with mnk are you playing wireless? In that case I’m pretty sure 90% of controller players play with a wireless controller and tvs not monitors.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 343 also doesn’t owe anything to PC players its been the flagship of Xbox for years. Right now though mnk has the advantage I guess summit1g crying worked its magic. If I were in 343s shoes I would add some aim assist for controller or this can damage the casual player base which is ultimately the more important playerbase for business. I’m honestly surprised they didn’t announce a battle Royale mode, that coupled with the cosmetic microtransactions is free money and publicity.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Great accuracy dude, you should have no problem getting into Champ on halo 5 if you thought the aim on Infinite was fine. A lot of people have contrasting opinions on the Infinite aim though
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > lol u clearly dont know what i am saying either and funny u say 343 owes nothing to pc players but it launched with pc. Dont need to be salty because of aim assist just get better lol.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > And the git gud gamer is revealed… It seems like I understood the trash you spewed well enough since you couldn’t even think of a reply, or maybe my reddit karma isn’t high enough and I couldn’t comprehend this reddit moment. Also ironic you tell me to get better when my halo 5 comp rank is higher. Take your own advice buddy.
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> > > > > > > > > > > its hard facts and the fact that u think that wired peripherals dont have input delay is not smart to say the least. There are reasons such as poor optimisations, but you wouldn’t know. The fact u think that halo 5 is an even comparison is absolutely ridiculous. U realise everyone has aim assist on that game which doesn’t still answer my question about balancing. Deal with it and move on. Stop crying like a baby about it. Furthermore, 343’s direction is none of ur business and apparently to u PC players are crybabies? Look at you crying about aim assist. Its good where it is now even snipedown says that. If u dont like it dont play the game its that simple. Plus, the halo community doesn’t need unwelcoming people like u driving mnk players from the game.
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> > > > > > > > > > The majority of people asking for aim assist are casual players who aren’t going to waste their time playing without aim assist when so many other games exist. The guy who made this thread and I both want extra aim assist and both have better stats than you, but yet you call us bad when you are worse.
> > > > > > > > > > I also don’t believe all pc players are crybabies, only you, summit and everyone else who gets salty and cries when they won’t be able to pubstomp people when they turn on the game. Toxic players like you are the ones that drive away new players from games.
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> > > > > > > > > > Also not comparing halo 5 to infinite, only comparing the skill you think you have with the limited aim assist in Infinite to the “insane aim assist” in halo 5. The fact that you got that all confused is pretty stupid.
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> > > > > > > > > > If the halo community consists of toxic people like you that cry when new players stand a chance then you shouldn’t be welcomed lmao.
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> > > > > > > > > im legit saying its fine as is. If u dont respect my opinion why should I respect u? I came off very polite initially. The way u framed ur words were rude and utterly disrespectful.
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> > > > > > > > By that logic you’re not respecting the opinion of the original guy because you don’t agree that aim assist needs a slight buff. My reply to your opinion was my contrasting opinion via my experience in the flight which was also polite.
> > > > > > > > You then said I dunno anything and said that I called mnk aimbot, which I didn’t I simply said it was better, which it always be better than controller accuracy wise its a fact. Since then I’ve only been reciprocating the rudeness you started when you said “just get better”. Maybe you read my reply like it was hostile which it wasn’t, depends on the way you read something. I always try to read these threads In a neutral attitude but saying “just get better” is pretty disrespectful.
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> > > > > > Just no. xD
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> > > > > > Picking up Mnk is way easier than getting really good on controller.
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> > > > > lol if u can hit consistent long ranged arm flicks. Have u dropped 30 bombs consistently with mnk?
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> > > > Nope, I’ve never played on MnK.
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> > > > > no its not the elitism… omg controller players will never get it and I’ve played both. Mnk is 100% harder…
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> > > > Its funny. Cause its mostly MnK players who I’ve seen say the opposite. MnK is the easier input.
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> > > if u have never played on mnk and u say its easy rightttt
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> > Heard it from people more trust worthy than you.
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> LMFAOOOOOO heard from people and u expect every pc player to think the same smh and makes things worse u never touched one AHHAAH
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> > You cannot even play Quake or Tribes games properly on a controller without being in a serious disadvantage.
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> > It is also why I believe that both controller and MBK players need to be separated, especially in ranked games.
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> this is true and is definitely necessary.
You just agreed with this dude saying the same thing as me. Lol.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Its really that simple but we need this message to reach 343!
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A slight controller aim assist buff would be a big help. We play with an inherently inferior aiming tool, this is the whole point of aim assist. I want to be able to use that sniper too!
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Then this means mnk players will never be able to play fairly against u guys and mcc was proof of the issue. Aim assist needs to be where it is and I find that infinite has a good enough amount to keep controller players keeping up. I found it still too easy on controller and ur saying its hard?
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nah aim assist needs a buff, I don’t know if it was because I played on Xbox one but controller felt terrible. The aim assist definitely can’t stay as it is because mnk has a massive advantage right now, the guns controller struggles with: commando, sniper and skewer are lasers on mnk.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You also gotta remember that all the games on mcc were made for console and were out for awhile. All the players PC players encountered had a ton of time and experience in the games of course mnk wouldn’t dominate. Just try and get Onyx on halo 5 right now even with the high aim assist you’re gonna get thrashed by sweats.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The real losers of this situation are the controller esports players. Cross input presents so many balance disputes. Combining inputs off the bat is a risky decision that 343 should’ve eased into.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Then u clearly dunno how mnk players play like. I came from both controller and mnk. I even struggled with commando on both inputs and it felt worse on mnk because of the input delay. There is a clear distinction between good and bad mnk players as there is to controller players. Mnk does not equate to aimbot because if u heard that from somewhere u r terribly wrong. For the whole of MCC mnk players have been dominated by controller players and its their job to balance them both. In my opinion both feels just as fine and if ur still saying that controller aim assist feels low idk what to say because I had a 60% accuracy on controller as my peak.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Clearly u dunno how to read, I never said mnk was aimbot but compared to controller it has the potential to always be better ask anyone. The aim assist On Infinite was also trash that’s why there’s so many threads on the topic. The two arguments on these threads are people who ask for some aim assist and “git gud” which comment is more rational. How are you getting input delay with mnk are you playing wireless? In that case I’m pretty sure 90% of controller players play with a wireless controller and tvs not monitors.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 343 also doesn’t owe anything to PC players its been the flagship of Xbox for years. Right now though mnk has the advantage I guess summit1g crying worked its magic. If I were in 343s shoes I would add some aim assist for controller or this can damage the casual player base which is ultimately the more important playerbase for business. I’m honestly surprised they didn’t announce a battle Royale mode, that coupled with the cosmetic microtransactions is free money and publicity.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Great accuracy dude, you should have no problem getting into Champ on halo 5 if you thought the aim on Infinite was fine. A lot of people have contrasting opinions on the Infinite aim though
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > lol u clearly dont know what i am saying either and funny u say 343 owes nothing to pc players but it launched with pc. Dont need to be salty because of aim assist just get better lol.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > And the git gud gamer is revealed… It seems like I understood the trash you spewed well enough since you couldn’t even think of a reply, or maybe my reddit karma isn’t high enough and I couldn’t comprehend this reddit moment. Also ironic you tell me to get better when my halo 5 comp rank is higher. Take your own advice buddy.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > its hard facts and the fact that u think that wired peripherals dont have input delay is not smart to say the least. There are reasons such as poor optimisations, but you wouldn’t know. The fact u think that halo 5 is an even comparison is absolutely ridiculous. U realise everyone has aim assist on that game which doesn’t still answer my question about balancing. Deal with it and move on. Stop crying like a baby about it. Furthermore, 343’s direction is none of ur business and apparently to u PC players are crybabies? Look at you crying about aim assist. Its good where it is now even snipedown says that. If u dont like it dont play the game its that simple. Plus, the halo community doesn’t need unwelcoming people like u driving mnk players from the game.
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> > > > > > > > > > > The majority of people asking for aim assist are casual players who aren’t going to waste their time playing without aim assist when so many other games exist. The guy who made this thread and I both want extra aim assist and both have better stats than you, but yet you call us bad when you are worse.
> > > > > > > > > > > I also don’t believe all pc players are crybabies, only you, summit and everyone else who gets salty and cries when they won’t be able to pubstomp people when they turn on the game. Toxic players like you are the ones that drive away new players from games.
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> > > > > > > > > > > Also not comparing halo 5 to infinite, only comparing the skill you think you have with the limited aim assist in Infinite to the “insane aim assist” in halo 5. The fact that you got that all confused is pretty stupid.
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> > > > > > > > > > > If the halo community consists of toxic people like you that cry when new players stand a chance then you shouldn’t be welcomed lmao.
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> > > > > > > > > > im legit saying its fine as is. If u dont respect my opinion why should I respect u? I came off very polite initially. The way u framed ur words were rude and utterly disrespectful.
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> > > > > > > > > By that logic you’re not respecting the opinion of the original guy because you don’t agree that aim assist needs a slight buff. My reply to your opinion was my contrasting opinion via my experience in the flight which was also polite.
> > > > > > > > > You then said I dunno anything and said that I called mnk aimbot, which I didn’t I simply said it was better, which it always be better than controller accuracy wise its a fact. Since then I’ve only been reciprocating the rudeness you started when you said “just get better”. Maybe you read my reply like it was hostile which it wasn’t, depends on the way you read something. I always try to read these threads In a neutral attitude but saying “just get better” is pretty disrespectful.
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> > > > > > > Just no. xD
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> > > > > > > Picking up Mnk is way easier than getting really good on controller.
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> > > > > > lol if u can hit consistent long ranged arm flicks. Have u dropped 30 bombs consistently with mnk?
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> > > > > Nope, I’ve never played on MnK.
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> > > > > > no its not the elitism… omg controller players will never get it and I’ve played both. Mnk is 100% harder…
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> > > > > Its funny. Cause its mostly MnK players who I’ve seen say the opposite. MnK is the easier input.
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> > > > if u have never played on mnk and u say its easy rightttt
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> > > Heard it from people more trust worthy than you.
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> > LMFAOOOOOO heard from people and u expect every pc player to think the same smh and makes things worse u never touched one AHHAAH
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> > > You cannot even play Quake or Tribes games properly on a controller without being in a serious disadvantage.
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> > > It is also why I believe that both controller and MBK players need to be separated, especially in ranked games.
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> > this is true and is definitely necessary.
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> You just agreed with this dude saying the same thing as me. Lol.
yes and no the way u framed it makes u entitled to the fact u think that mnk is easy despite never touching it.
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> > > > > > As long as we all remember the average player is what matters. It’s a video game that many people of differing skill levels want to enjoy, not the Olympics.
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> > > > > Most Olympic sports (if not all) can be enjoyed by people with differing skill levels without any additional -Yoink!-.
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> > > > > The level of play in my beer league ice hockey games is far from professional games, but no one there needs skating assist. The game is fun because we are playing roughly at the same level.
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> > > > This is a video game played with an input device human beings cannot anatomically cope with very well. Aim assist exists for a reason, and you’re getting your -Yoink!- in a twist over average people not wanting to feel frustrated when playing a game on their Xbox a few hours a week. No, training hundreds of hours should not be required to get a decent about of fun out of the game. Why? Because it’s a video game, not a physical sport. Stop being elitist about what amounts to digital toys.
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> > > Your reasoning does not work. People are not designed to do many sports like ice hockey. In fact, learning to ice skate and play ice hockey is much harder than picking up a controller and playing Halo in multiplayer. Yet we also have bad to average ice hockey players who are enjoying playing ice hockey even when it takes a lot of effort to get started.
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> > > I think you are underestimating the average players and the fun they can have in Halo multiplayer without any additional work. The level of aim assist does not matter because everyone has the same limitations.
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> > > People in my office have no Halo experience, but I guarantee that they would enjoy playing Halo against each other if given opportunity. As they all are on same level, the level of aim assist is no factor at all in their enjoyment of the game.
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> > > It was probably much harder to land headshots in N64 Goldeneye splitscreen multiplayer that was running 10 fps at best. The casual players loved it.
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> > Most average people are having issues with the aim assist. If they weren’t, there wouldn’t be such a huge outcry about it. It might be single biggest non-technical issue people are having right now. Just because you don’t have an issue, doesn’t mean other people aren’t. Halo 3 had a large skill gap and had far more aim assist. Halo 3 even had far more bullet magnetism, and the MLG kiddos went crazy for it despite that. I get the feeling you don’t have much experience in past Halo games, because aim assist has little to do with how good a player can be. All it does is make it so the average player can sit down and have fun day 1. This is a toy, and you are upset that people don’t want the high level model kit you’re asking for.
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> > This isn’t about you. This is about making the game fun to play out of the box. Note how people are asking for a small increase, not a huge one like this: Star Wars Bounty Hunter (PS4) - Let's Play - Part 1 - "Dead Or Alive, Meeko" | DanQ8000 - YouTube
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> > Halo 3 did fine with the amount of aim assist it had. Even 75% of Halo 3’s aim assist would be an improvement. You’re being massively elitist and trying to keep the average controller player gimped. Once again: Aim assist had little to do with how good someone was in past Halo games.
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> > PS: Mentioning Golden Eye works against you. Console FPS games were not very well liked before Combat Evolved, largely because they lacked aim assist. Combat Evolved was the defining console FPS because of its controls.
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> ummm but what about the casual mnk players. A player without previous aim discipline on mnk will always be destroyed by a controller player with high levels of aim assist. Not saying that aim assist should exist but at the level it is right now it feels good.
That’s a good point. It’s another reason why input based matchmaking is needed. I don’t see why both input methods should be pitted against each other when historical testing has shown us that good K&M players will absolutely trash good controller users… Unless 343 is worried the population will be too low fairly soon. My own performance would have been far better in the Infinite flight if I was using M&K. I already do better with M&K when I play MCC after buying it on PC only a few months ago, and those are games I know extremely well on console and controller.
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> > > > > > Most Olympic sports (if not all) can be enjoyed by people with differing skill levels without any additional -Yoink!-.
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> > > > > > The level of play in my beer league ice hockey games is far from professional games, but no one there needs skating assist. The game is fun because we are playing roughly at the same level.
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> > > > > This is a video game played with an input device human beings cannot anatomically cope with very well. Aim assist exists for a reason, and you’re getting your -Yoink!- in a twist over average people not wanting to feel frustrated when playing a game on their Xbox a few hours a week. No, training hundreds of hours should not be required to get a decent about of fun out of the game. Why? Because it’s a video game, not a physical sport. Stop being elitist about what amounts to digital toys.
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> > > > Your reasoning does not work. People are not designed to do many sports like ice hockey. In fact, learning to ice skate and play ice hockey is much harder than picking up a controller and playing Halo in multiplayer. Yet we also have bad to average ice hockey players who are enjoying playing ice hockey even when it takes a lot of effort to get started.
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> > > > I think you are underestimating the average players and the fun they can have in Halo multiplayer without any additional work. The level of aim assist does not matter because everyone has the same limitations.
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> > > > People in my office have no Halo experience, but I guarantee that they would enjoy playing Halo against each other if given opportunity. As they all are on same level, the level of aim assist is no factor at all in their enjoyment of the game.
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> > > > It was probably much harder to land headshots in N64 Goldeneye splitscreen multiplayer that was running 10 fps at best. The casual players loved it.
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> > > Most average people are having issues with the aim assist. If they weren’t, there wouldn’t be such a huge outcry about it. It might be single biggest non-technical issue people are having right now. Just because you don’t have an issue, doesn’t mean other people aren’t. Halo 3 had a large skill gap and had far more aim assist. Halo 3 even had far more bullet magnetism, and the MLG kiddos went crazy for it despite that. I get the feeling you don’t have much experience in past Halo games, because aim assist has little to do with how good a player can be. All it does is make it so the average player can sit down and have fun day 1. This is a toy, and you are upset that people don’t want the high level model kit you’re asking for.
> > >
> > > This isn’t about you. This is about making the game fun to play out of the box. Note how people are asking for a small increase, not a huge one like this: Star Wars Bounty Hunter (PS4) - Let's Play - Part 1 - "Dead Or Alive, Meeko" | DanQ8000 - YouTube
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> > > Halo 3 did fine with the amount of aim assist it had. Even 75% of Halo 3’s aim assist would be an improvement. You’re being massively elitist and trying to keep the average controller player gimped. Once again: Aim assist had little to do with how good someone was in past Halo games.
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> > > PS: Mentioning Golden Eye works against you. Console FPS games were not very well liked before Combat Evolved, largely because they lacked aim assist. Combat Evolved was the defining console FPS because of its controls.
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> > ummm but what about the casual mnk players. A player without previous aim discipline on mnk will always be destroyed by a controller player with high levels of aim assist. Not saying that aim assist should exist but at the level it is right now it feels good.
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> That’s a good point. It’s another reason why input based matchmaking is needed. I don’t see why both input methods should be pitted against each other when historical testing has shown us that good K&M players will absolutely trash good controller users… Unless 343 is worried the population will be too low fairly soon. My own performance would have been far better in the Infinite flight if I was using M&K. I already do better with M&K when I play MCC after buying it on PC only a few months ago, and those are games I know extremely well on console and controller.
well depends on what type of fight. Usually tracking based gunfights is where controllers shine whereas flicking based gunfights like swat and snipers is where mnk excels. But I can still outgun most people on h3, h4, h reach. Not so much on H2A and H2
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Alright this thread is just nonsense now. Golden Eye and especially Perfect Dark were immaculate, I can’t think of a single person that didn’t like them. The kids in my neighborhood that I grew up with, friends from school, and all of my cousins during family gatherings. Everyone loved those games. They also did have aim assist and the first thing we always did when we played was turn it off. All of my homies hated aim assist.
I’m annoyed. I hope 343 nerfs aim assist and all of the top 5% Mouse gods make everyone beg them to give up on Crossinput play altogether.