My opinion on both is
Palmer. She’s bit of a Hot head and also belittles marines despite being one her self before being a spartan.
Agryna. Not much is known about her. But so far she seems like she cares more about anyone in the UNSC. And seems more aprochable.
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Agryna - Acts like a Coddling mother, Like she’s running a Spartan Daycare.
Its honestly kinda annoying being talked down to,
We’re suppose to be battle hardened Killing machines, not children.
Her behavior treating us like her precious foster children, and not here soldiers, is… unbelievable patronizing.
Palmer - Acts with high expectations, but medium to low faith.
We’re her soldiers,
We get it done, or die trying too.
If you can’t get results then you sure as hell better be dead.
It’s cold, but again;
We’re suppose to be soldiers, Battle Hardened and Loyal to command.
If you need to be coddled, you’re going to be reassigned to the Storage unit.
Palmer’s insufferable. Even in the comic when she comes close to having character growth, it’s instantly reverted. She doesn’t show due respect to authority figures, and belittles those around her. Palmer is not a good leader.
Agryna focuses on building people up, which alone makes her better than Palmer.
Every bit of what you said I agree with tenfold. I don’t understand why they tried so hard to make Palmer into this BA, but it didn’t work. It made most of the player base hate her to the point a lot of us got genuinely excited when we thought she died in Guardians. I hope if she makes another appearance soon, they tone down the overall superiority complex and make her more of a grounded, respectable commander. I’m not asking for them to take away her making fun of Marines or other Spartans; just the arrogance.
I do. It’s for the same reason all of Hollywood is ruining franchises by shoving their agandas into movies where it doesn’t belong. Bad writers think “female empowerment” means making the women more “masculine” than the men, but said writers don’t typically understand masculinity any better than they understand the strengths of femininity.
Sarah Connor from the Terminator franchise is BA because of her maternal instinct to protect her son, so she goes momma-bear on the Terminators. This is an empowered female character done right.
But they ruined it with Terminator Dark Fate when they assassinated her character and wrote her being derogatory to the concept of motherhood, and John Connor was unceremoniously killed off so they could replace him with a female character that has less qualifications than he did. This is poor writers trying to “empower” women.
Palmer was supposed to be the next Sgt Johnson, but the writers failed to understand the nuances of Johnson’s character, which resulted in them writing Palmer insuferably snarky and disrespectful to her superiors.
Ex: In Halo 3, when Johnson’ rescued from the Brutes, he says, “we’re even, as long as we’re only counting today”, which is banter between two individuals who have a long history (Johnson and Chief fought together on the first Halo ring, so they have backstory together.
Palmer, the first time she meets Chief, walks up, smirks, and quips, “I thought you’d be taller”. That’s like a child walking up to Navy Seal and saying, “I thought you’d be tougher.” It’s incredibly disrespectful, and shows her self-perceived status to be significantly higher than it actually is.
It’s worth noting that Palmer was not a prominent feature in Halo 5. They toned her down considerably, showing that they recognized their mistake. It’s sort of like Locke. His character wasn’t overtly bad, but he had a level of arrogance to him, which coupled with them trying to promote him as the next Master Chief put fans off right away, and it’s hard for a character to come back from that.
I think that’s why Agryna is uplifting to those around her, encouraging them to be their best, and not trying to prove that she’s better than them. She knows her skills, and will use them when needed, but doesn’t need to wave them in people’s faces.
I haven’t really gotten enough of Agryna yet to make a decision. So far she seems boring and uninteresting but I barely know her yet.
Well Agryna is very clearly a reply to criticism of Palmer. Instead of a angsty Spartan with an ego, strong opinions and temper; we get the nicest Spartan imaginable. Very idealised image of this mother figure who wants to inspire Hope and comes from a place of weakness herself. Whereas Palmer, I haven’t read the comic but I think she was an ODST war hero of some kind. Very different characters.
I never got the level of hate for Palmer. The whole height joke is set up for a cutscene at the end. Frankly, I don’t think her looking Chief up and down was intended to be some kind of Spartan IV better than Spartan 2 thing. Plus, she’s kind of right about Halsey. The problem is Halsey did this all with the backing and money of the UNSC.
Agryna, you’ve got this character but nothing has happened in the story yet. So I can’t really form a judgement. It’s not even clear what they’re actually fighting or what the context is for the war. If the intent is she’s the hero holding together humanities remaining Spartan forces in the Galaxy that’s not being conveyed very well. I liked the trailer, it’s a nice origin for a Spartan IV.
None of them impress me at all
To develop them we need them on missions and more cutscenes
Yeah, I don’t think most people played the tutorial mission because it’s not well sign posted so you miss out on almost of her dialogue.
It also doesn’t help that they start Season 2 without acknowledging that she went off to look for Zeta Halo and Infinity. That just kind of gets forgotten about and she’s back at base. 
Plus, the story has been done with 3 month cycles in mind presumably. Which kind of isn’t how it’s going and means everything has had to be stretched out. It’s possible that some things have been moved around and chopped up to accommodate this.
None of those, it would be great to see a Spartan of the past Spartan programs as our new leader like Jun, Kurt or Sorin etc
Palmer is the better suited one for the military. These are SUPER SOLDIERS for heaven sake! No need to sugar-coat or compliment EVERYTHING as Agryna does. if you think that Palmer is rude, go to boot camp, she’ll seem like downright Barbie.
“Kurt”
Anyone wanna tell him?
At what being approachable. From what we have seen I think Palmer would still have a higher Battle rating. But Agryna seems more relaxed an willing to compromise.
Palmer is more of a traditional Spartan in my opinion. Results-focused, very “business” for lack of a better term. She doesn’t mess around when it comes to her Spartans or her missions. She was a badass even before she became a Spartan.
Agryna is the complete opposite of palmer. Soft-spoken and closer to a coddler, she treats her Spartans like her kids. While a maternal approach to commanding Spartans is understandable from an emotional standpoint given her young age when she first saw them and they became her heroes, it’s not what Spartans need. Realistically I think having her in command would make the Spartans disgustingly soft. Unless she’s a cold-stone killer with a personality as sweet as honey, I’d prefer Commander Palmer.
I had to ‘google’ Agryna since she wasn’t memorable but even then I still say she wasn’t as bad as Palmer.
I think 343 made Agryna because 343 think palmer is rude or something I don’t know lol but if I have to choose from both I guess I will choose Palmer since she was active in halo 4 and 5 and probably infinite and it’s not a random character as it is Agryna that we don’t have story or information who she is, we can see her only in Infinite
I 100% agree with Palmer being written badly because most writers do not understand what makes feminism powerful. The way she’s portrayed in Spartan Ops is, in my opinion, a much better representation of powerful femininity. She doesn’t nag, she doesn’t yell. She is the commander of that ship’s contingent of Spartans and she relays orders and pleasantries as such. The only person she is disrespectful to, and openly hostile toward, is Catherine Halsey.
I don’t agree however with saying “I thought you’d be taller” is disrespectful. Its a joke. Spend any time with active duty servicemen and you’ll hear plenty of depreciating humor like that. She leads a frat house trying to get a bunch of machismo Spartans to follow orders. Watching any of the Spartan Ops videos shows that while the IVs are good fighters, they’re highly unruly. Actually, you only need to watch the first 3 minutes of episode 1 to see this.
Besides, if you watch the original clip again, looking him up and down while smiling like that was clearly flirting
It’s also a common line marines say when they see you in CE.
I tried to look that up but I don’t know what that means. Campaign Evaluation?
Are you saying they use it as a joke or that its disrespectful? I guess I need an explanation either way.