Most of this is just your opinion, not necessarily problems. Although not being able to melee mid jump drives me nuts.
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Yes you can, I’ve punched many people out of the sky. Are you tapping it? Even if you hold it cause I be attempt air assassinations but it just melee them instead.
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> Yes you can, I’ve punched many people out of the sky. Are you tapping it?
I think maybe he means clambering. You are dead in the water when you do that and someone is shooting you or whatever.
The ground pound is pretty stupid
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> > > > > > > Sprint doesn’t ruin the flow of the game. You purists gotta let that go.
> > > > > > > You should’ve given the ground pound and shoulder charge a try in MP, very fun/awesome when you pull off a ground pound.
> > > > > > > I feel like you’re being a tad nit-picky.
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> > > > > > Sprint changes the entire flow of Halo. There are so many posts about this and I’ve posted many times describing how it changed the flow of Halo. The so called “purists” are just trying to point out what made Halo different then every other FPS. Oh well, it will never be the same, I’m glad I have MCC, so that I can enjoy CE.
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> > > > > Actually you “purists” are here to whine about Halo isn’t the same as Halo 2 anymore. And what made and still makes Halo different is the fact that it is an Arena Shooter in a world where most people play Class Based Shooters. Something Halo 5 focuses on even more now. I have yet to hear anybody give an actual explanation of how sprint ruins gameplay. All I hear is “It’s not in Halo 2/3” “It slows gameplay” and the later, when questioned about it they can’t come up with a good answer. I have been playing Halo since the days of Combat Evolved, and I am glad that it actually has Evolved these 14 years later instead of staying the same. And you are right, Halo will never go back to being Halo 2, so stick with your Halo 2 PC and Halo: MCC thanks 
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> > > > You know, there is a reason why Halo 2 and Halo 3 might be the most played Halos out of the entire franchise. It might be because they were unique and different than everything else at the time, and still are compared to Halo 5, which feels like the newest installment in the fast paced, twitch shooter genre.
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> > > Again, go back to Halo 2 PC or MCC. If you want to play the same game for 20 years. Halo is still the most unique game on the market.
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> > Except those games eventually will age and multiplayer matches will become difficult to find. I would rather that a new Halo game would be made that plays similarly to the original Halo games, while also having new interesting things to do in the game. That is what Halo 2 did after Halo CE, and that is also what Halo 3 did after Halo 2. And no, Halo is not the most unique game on the market. It has fallen into the well of genericness.
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> Yeah, because there isn’t the demand for it man. Halo 5 multiplayer > Halo 2 imo and most others. You are in the minority, but you STILL have MCC so be grateful. no kindly stop beating a dead horse.
How? How is Halo 5 better than Halo 2? I wasn’t around for Halo 2, but I’ve played the MCC, and its awesome. Halo 5 is full of random crap that ruins the competitive nature of the game, the aiming and deadzone issues are very present ( contrary to what all the 343i defenders will say), and it just isn’t fun to play. And you know what? I’m not grateful for the MCC, that game is still screwed up, even after a year of updates. A new Halo game, with new weapons, gamemodes, maps and a new campaign, all made in the same game style as Halo 2 and Halo 3, that would be a fun and unique game in comparison to the garbage being released yearly by EA and Activision. A sequel builds upon its predecessor, not outright changing the game.
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> > > > Sprint doesn’t ruin the flow of the game. You purists gotta let that go.
> > > > You should’ve given the ground pound and shoulder charge a try in MP, very fun/awesome when you pull off a ground pound.
> > > > I feel like you’re being a tad nit-picky.
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> > > Sprint changes the entire flow of Halo. There are so many posts about this and I’ve posted many times describing how it changed the flow of Halo. The so called “purists” are just trying to point out what made Halo different then every other FPS. Oh well, it will never be the same, I’m glad I have MCC, so that I can enjoy CE.
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> > Actually you “purists” are here to whine about Halo isn’t the same as Halo 2 anymore. And what made and still makes Halo different is the fact that it is an Arena Shooter in a world where most people play Class Based Shooters. Something Halo 5 focuses on even more now. I have yet to hear anybody give an actual explanation of how sprint ruins gameplay. All I hear is “It’s not in Halo 2/3” “It slows gameplay” and the later, when questioned about it they can’t come up with a good answer. I have been playing Halo since the days of Combat Evolved, and I am glad that it actually has Evolved these 14 years later instead of staying the same. And you are right, Halo will never go back to being Halo 2, so stick with your Halo 2 PC and Halo: MCC thanks
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> Maps are much larger, escapability is much easier, double melees, makes the game more about movement than gunplay, makes jumps require Sprint to complete instead of just jumping. There are so many more reasons as to how Sprint ruins the flow of Halo. What makes Sprint good for Halo, it’s not a twitch shooter, you say we have no arguments for why Sprint is bad, what are yours for why it’s good? All I ever here is I’m a spartan I should be able to sprint or it feels faster. That feels faster reason is an illusion because the maps are so big. You can walk from one base to another in previous Halos just as fast as you can Sprint to them in Halo 4 and 5.
The average walking times across halos 1-4 are approximately the same for maps of similar sizes. Sprinting in h4 is an increase in speed.
Average sizes of maps increased in h4, but only because you lose the really small maps like beaver creek and lockout.
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> > > Sprint doesn’t ruin the flow of the game. You purists gotta let that go.
> > > You should’ve given the ground pound and shoulder charge a try in MP, very fun/awesome when you pull off a ground pound.
> > > I feel like you’re being a tad nit-picky.
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> > Sprint changes the entire flow of Halo. There are so many posts about this and I’ve posted many times describing how it changed the flow of Halo. The so called “purists” are just trying to point out what made Halo different then every other FPS. Oh well, it will never be the same, I’m glad I have MCC, so that I can enjoy CE.
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> Actually you “purists” are here to whine about Halo isn’t the same as Halo 2 anymore. And what made and still makes Halo different is the fact that it is an Arena Shooter in a world where most people play Class Based Shooters. Something Halo 5 focuses on even more now. I have yet to hear anybody give an actual explanation of how sprint ruins gameplay. All I hear is “It’s not in Halo 2/3” “It slows gameplay” and the later, when questioned about it they can’t come up with a good answer. I have been playing Halo since the days of Combat Evolved, and I am glad that it actually has Evolved these 14 years later instead of staying the same. And you are right, Halo will never go back to being Halo 2, so stick with your Halo 2 PC and Halo: MCC thanks
Things that sprint effects.
1.Map design
Maps have to be larger and more stretched out. If they don’t do this, the game play becomes too chaotic. This creates “No Man Zones” where you have to sprint across routes, or die because you’re not moving fast enough. See the map, Truth.
2. Weapon Time to Kill
Players are moving faster, so the TtK has to be faster to compensate, otherwise players would get away to quickly. Faster ttk=lower skill gap. Currently, Halo 5 has the fastest TtK average the series has ever seen. Grenades also have to become more effective to compensate.
3. Radar range
Halo 4 provided large radar range to keep players from approaching each other too fast due to sprint. This balancing act was complained about for giving players too much information. So Halo 5’s radar was reduced, and now players can suddenly approach each other without warning. Lending itself too often toward a “who shoots first, wins” meta.
4. Complete separation of gunplay and movement.
Previous Halo’s allowed players to both move at full speed in all directions and keep their gun up at all times. Halo 4 and 5, and to a lesser extent, Reach, remove this distinction. You either move slowly with your gun up, or you move at full speed, unable to defend yourself.
6. Devalues power positions.
Regardless of nerfs, running away still happens. This only promotes a lack of punishment for poor positioning. Players running away lends itself to more “cat and mouse” gameplay, and less player engagement, slowing the game. Out of all the problems sprint causes, this is the only one that 343 even remotely addresses.
Unlike you sprint defenders, we anti sprint “purists” actually know what we are talking about. It’s not the sprinting mechanic by itself being a problem. It’s the domino effect of every part of Halo’s core design being changed, just to make it work.
So yeah, of course it doesn’t ruin the flow of Halo 5, the game was practicality built around the mechanic. It just ruins Halo’s game play in general.
Interesting thread. Glad you tried Willko. I wish I had rented it. I downloaded it and now I hardly even play it. First time in 14 years I’m not hooked on the new Halo.
I’m sorry, but saying the spartan charge and ground pound abilities are useless is just a downright lie. Do you know how many kills I’ve gotten with them, or how many times I’ve been killed by them? It’s your loss if you don’t want to use them.
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> > > > > > > Sprint doesn’t ruin the flow of the game. You purists gotta let that go.
> > > > > > > You should’ve given the ground pound and shoulder charge a try in MP, very fun/awesome when you pull off a ground pound.
> > > > > > > I feel like you’re being a tad nit-picky.
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> > > > > > Sprint changes the entire flow of Halo. There are so many posts about this and I’ve posted many times describing how it changed the flow of Halo. The so called “purists” are just trying to point out what made Halo different then every other FPS. Oh well, it will never be the same, I’m glad I have MCC, so that I can enjoy CE.
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> > > > > Actually you “purists” are here to whine about Halo isn’t the same as Halo 2 anymore. And what made and still makes Halo different is the fact that it is an Arena Shooter in a world where most people play Class Based Shooters. Something Halo 5 focuses on even more now. I have yet to hear anybody give an actual explanation of how sprint ruins gameplay. All I hear is “It’s not in Halo 2/3” “It slows gameplay” and the later, when questioned about it they can’t come up with a good answer. I have been playing Halo since the days of Combat Evolved, and I am glad that it actually has Evolved these 14 years later instead of staying the same. And you are right, Halo will never go back to being Halo 2, so stick with your Halo 2 PC and Halo: MCC thanks
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> > > > The problem with Sprint supporters is that they think they like it. They think it improves the game. They think these things because when they use it, it feels good or fun.
> > > > You’re not looking at it objectively.
> > > > The people who dislike Sprint are not denying that being able to Sprint feels good; we’re looking at the bigger picture, and so much of what makes great, deep, and rich gameplay is ruined with Sprint.
> > > > I am one of the biggest Sprint haters, but I get the appeal. Just a few days ago, I was playing MCC and Halo 4 was voted a couple of times in a row. After that, H2A was picked, and while I was getting shot in the back from being in the open, I tried to Sprint away and I was like “oh, right… I can’t”. It felt like a problem, but I know it’s not. It’s a problem when you CAN Sprint away. You have to really look at the bigger picture. Once you forget about the feeling and want to Sprint for your personal benefits at the time, you realize how much more complex and fun the game really is.
> > > > Halo 2, when you stop thinking about stupid “modernization” is simply more fun and competitive. It never gets old. There are no cheap -Yoink- tactics. It’s the way Halo needs to be.
> > > > Again, you think it’s better with Sprint because that’s what your mind is lead to believe on the surface, but I know the majority who say Sprint is needed would indeed have more fun with a Sprintless, new Halo game. I get that you’ll probably never go back to old Halo, but a new, big, hyped Halo that was created from the ground up without Sprint would be a hit and maintain a large population.
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> > > You dislike sprint because you can run away? If you are shot before you are in a full sprint you won’t be able to run. So you wouldn’t have been able to run in the first place. Ofc your instinct is to run and that is what you did, sprint simply wasn’t in the Game. Running or jogging away has always been in halo our any game. Also sprinting doesn’t recharge shields so you’d probably would’ve gotten picked off anyway.
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> > > No, I enjoy having the option of faster movement than not having it all. Even if it’s all psychological
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> > You completely and utterly missed my point.
> > I was saying that being able to Sprint away is something you expect, and something that feels right on the surface. It’s really a placebo effect, but without that, there’s even less to like.
> > I never specified why I disliked Sprint in that message, aside from in ruining the complexity, depth, and skill of the overall game; which it does.
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> > There are so many reasons, which cannot be seen on the surface, as to why Sprint ruins the game, and my entire point was that if people were to actually forget about why they think Sprint is good, and look at it objectively, they’d have more fun with, and play for longer, a brand new, modern, sprintless Halo. I just know they would.
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> So sprint is the deciding factor rather you’re gonna be playing 2 years from now? Lol just stop. I have looked at it like that and I don’t feel the same, I prefer sprint nuff said. I’ve never blamed sprint for missing kills, getting killed or anything like that. If anything sprint adds more skill to the game.
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> The Op says charge and slide are useless proves how sprint just added more skill. Slide I thought was useless in the beta how been literally a game changer. It’s been the difference between getting AC on that plaza map before the enemy. Difference between getting my head took off or scoring a kill. I’ve already explained how charge has been a difference maker. Both are byproducts of sprint.
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> Remove sprint from halo 5 and change things to accommodate no sprint, got the image? Now add h5 version of sprint to h3 and accommodate things. Both would still be hella fun but halo 5 would play worse without sprint while 3 wouldn’t play any worse or better with it imo.
Yes; Sprint is that big of a deal.
I’m not alone in this mindset.
It makes the game unplayable at more than a casual level.
So much of the strategy and mind games, which is what I find most appealing about old Halo, is taken away by Sprint.
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> > > > Sprint doesn’t ruin the flow of the game. You purists gotta let that go.
> > > > You should’ve given the ground pound and shoulder charge a try in MP, very fun/awesome when you pull off a ground pound.
> > > > I feel like you’re being a tad nit-picky.
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> > > Sprint changes the entire flow of Halo. There are so many posts about this and I’ve posted many times describing how it changed the flow of Halo. The so called “purists” are just trying to point out what made Halo different then every other FPS. Oh well, it will never be the same, I’m glad I have MCC, so that I can enjoy CE.
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> > Actually you “purists” are here to whine about Halo isn’t the same as Halo 2 anymore. And what made and still makes Halo different is the fact that it is an Arena Shooter in a world where most people play Class Based Shooters. Something Halo 5 focuses on even more now. I have yet to hear anybody give an actual explanation of how sprint ruins gameplay. All I hear is “It’s not in Halo 2/3” “It slows gameplay” and the later, when questioned about it they can’t come up with a good answer. I have been playing Halo since the days of Combat Evolved, and I am glad that it actually has Evolved these 14 years later instead of staying the same. And you are right, Halo will never go back to being Halo 2, so stick with your Halo 2 PC and Halo: MCC thanks
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> Maps are much larger, escapability is much easier, double melees, makes the game more about movement than gunplay, makes jumps require Sprint to complete instead of just jumping. There are so many more reasons as to how Sprint ruins the flow of Halo. What makes Sprint good for Halo, it’s not a twitch shooter, you say we have no arguments for why Sprint is bad, what are yours for why it’s good? All I ever here is I’m a spartan I should be able to sprint or it feels faster. That feels faster reason is an illusion because the maps are so big. You can walk from one base to another in previous Halos just as fast as you can Sprint to them in Halo 4 and 5.
Actually that is a blatant lie, especially factoring the long sight lines in the newer maps to stop that from happening. Sprint adds more tactics to a game, knowing when to run and not to. Do you sprint around a corner and possibly get your head taken out by a sniper or make your way slowly around it? Do you sprint to the nearest sound of combat with the possibility of getting shot down beforehand or do you walk there and scope out your side of the map for any members of the enemy team? It adds tactics to the game and adds more things to think about. As well as clamber. I have gotten shot in the back when I have decided to clamber at the wrong time. It also makes holding areas of the map more difficult because of how fast people can return to the firefight which means you have to know when it is best to keep hold of your section of the map or whether you should back off and let your health/shields go back up. There are tons of new tactical elements with not only sprint but the other spartan abilities added to the game. Also what makes sprint good for Halo is that it doesn’t screw with what Halo IS. Which as much as people like to voice their opinions on what it means to them, factually Halo is an Arena Shooter and the only one to strain from that was Halo 4 which wanted to be a Class Based Shooter (and arguably a little bit of Reach because of the multiple classes). Sprint doesn’t change the fact that Halo is an Arena Shooter and in fact tons of other Arena Shooters also had sprint such as Doom.
So tell me how sprint changes Halo into something other than an Arena Shooter?
I fired up halo 2 and 3 on MCC and the gameplay was absolutely awful. Amazing for when it was created but gaming has far evolved since then.
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> I fired up halo 2 and 3 on MCC and the gameplay was absolutely awful. Amazing for when it was created but gaming has far evolved since then.
I loved that Halo has evolved a lot but Halo 2 and 3 were amazing dude. And every one keeps getting better
Sprint is a singular directional boost that removes your ability to do the rooty-tooty-point-n-shooty. It slows down the pace by nature that it is only forward momentum which can easily be modified through movement settings. Worried people would find it hard to control? Well, the game is balanced out with the weapons so I see no cause for complaints to balancing out movement by either changing movement speed with no sprint or to not have sprint at all.
Ok with thrusters but no sprint. That’s a new one.
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> > > > Sprint doesn’t ruin the flow of the game. You purists gotta let that go.
> > > > You should’ve given the ground pound and shoulder charge a try in MP, very fun/awesome when you pull off a ground pound.
> > > > I feel like you’re being a tad nit-picky.
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> > > Sprint changes the entire flow of Halo. There are so many posts about this and I’ve posted many times describing how it changed the flow of Halo. The so called “purists” are just trying to point out what made Halo different then every other FPS. Oh well, it will never be the same, I’m glad I have MCC, so that I can enjoy CE.
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> > Actually you “purists” are here to whine about Halo isn’t the same as Halo 2 anymore. And what made and still makes Halo different is the fact that it is an Arena Shooter in a world where most people play Class Based Shooters. Something Halo 5 focuses on even more now. I have yet to hear anybody give an actual explanation of how sprint ruins gameplay. All I hear is “It’s not in Halo 2/3” “It slows gameplay” and the later, when questioned about it they can’t come up with a good answer. I have been playing Halo since the days of Combat Evolved, and I am glad that it actually has Evolved these 14 years later instead of staying the same. And you are right, Halo will never go back to being Halo 2, so stick with your Halo 2 PC and Halo: MCC thanks
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> Things that sprint effects.
> 1.Map design
> Maps have to be larger and more stretched out. If they don’t do this, the game play becomes too chaotic. This creates “No Man Zones” where you have to sprint across routes, or die because you’re not moving fast enough. See the map, Truth.
> 2. Weapon Time to Kill
> Players are moving faster, so the TtK has to be faster to compensate, otherwise players would get away to quickly. Faster ttk=lower skill gap. Currently, Halo 5 has the fastest TtK average the series has ever seen. Grenades also have to become more effective to compensate.
> 3. Radar range
> Halo 4 provided large radar range to keep players from approaching each other too fast due to sprint. This balancing act was complained about for giving players too much information. So Halo 5’s radar was reduced, and now players can suddenly approach each other without warning. Lending itself too often toward a “who shoots first, wins” meta.
> 4. Complete separation of gunplay and movement.
> Previous Halo’s allowed players to both move at full speed in all directions and keep their gun up at all times. Halo 4 and 5, and to a lesser extent, Reach, remove this distinction. You either move slowly with your gun up, or you move at full speed, unable to defend yourself.
> 6. Devalues power positions.
> Regardless of nerfs, running away still happens. This only promotes a lack of punishment for poor positioning. Players running away lends itself to more “cat and mouse” gameplay, and less player engagement, slowing the game. Out of all the problems sprint causes, this is the only one that 343 even remotely addresses.
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> Unlike you sprint defenders, we anti sprint “purists” actually know what we are talking about. It’s not the sprinting mechanic by itself being a problem. It’s the domino effect of every part of Halo’s core design being changed, just to make it work.
> So yeah, of course it doesn’t ruin the flow of Halo 5, the game was practicality built around the mechanic. It just ruins Halo’s game play in general.
Exactly. I feel like the arguments from our side are so much more in detail and thought-out than the opposition.
Watch 20:45 to 25:10 for a perfectly detailed explanation as to why Sprint sucks when you think about it on a deeper level.
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> > > > > Sprint doesn’t ruin the flow of the game. You purists gotta let that go.
> > > > > You should’ve given the ground pound and shoulder charge a try in MP, very fun/awesome when you pull off a ground pound.
> > > > > I feel like you’re being a tad nit-picky.
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> > > > Sprint changes the entire flow of Halo. There are so many posts about this and I’ve posted many times describing how it changed the flow of Halo. The so called “purists” are just trying to point out what made Halo different then every other FPS. Oh well, it will never be the same, I’m glad I have MCC, so that I can enjoy CE.
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> Exactly. I feel like the arguments from our side are so much more in detail and thought-out than the opposition.
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> https://youtu.be/R7-O9PnBPhU
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> Watch 20:45 to 25:10 for a perfectly detailed explanation as to why Sprint sucks when you think about it on a deeper level.
Batman does get a lot of flack. But no one can tell him he’s wrong. He’s not the only person that has a decent argument against sprint, which make me happy that the community isn’t entirely devoid of intelligence. It’s to late to save H5, sprint has already done it’s damage, but not to late for future Halo’s.
TLDR= liked it enough I will buy a copy eventually 
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> Actually that is a blatant lie, especially factoring the long sight lines in the newer maps to stop that from happening. Sprint adds more tactics to a game, knowing when to run and not to. Do you sprint around a corner and possibly get your head taken out by a sniper or make your way slowly around it? Do you sprint to the nearest sound of combat with the possibility of getting shot down beforehand or do you walk there and scope out your side of the map for any members of the enemy team? It adds tactics to the game and adds more things to think about. As well as clamber. I have gotten shot in the back when I have decided to clamber at the wrong time. It also makes holding areas of the map more difficult because of how fast people can return to the firefight which means you have to know when it is best to keep hold of your section of the map or whether you should back off and let your health/shields go back up. There are tons of new tactical elements with not only sprint but the other spartan abilities added to the game. Also what makes sprint good for Halo is that it doesn’t screw with what Halo IS. Which as much as people like to voice their opinions on what it means to them, factually Halo is an Arena Shooter and the only one to strain from that was Halo 4 which wanted to be a Class Based Shooter (and arguably a little bit of Reach because of the multiple classes). Sprint doesn’t change the fact that Halo is an Arena Shooter and in fact tons of other Arena Shooters also had sprint such as Doom.
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> So tell me how sprint changes Halo into something other than an Arena Shooter?
Halo isn’t an Arena shooter. It never has been, and never will be. It has Arena elements, sure, but it also has squad-based elements. It’s a freak hybrid shooter that sits on a very delicate balance of those two experiences. All sprint adds to Halo is longer TTK’s and gigantic maps. There is no depth that it adds. You freakin’ sprint when you’re not in combat, and you don’t sprint when you are. It’s black and white. Why? Because you can’t shoot when you’re sprinting. It separates movement from combat, and that’s why it screws with Halo’s core gameplay. In older Halos, you could traverse the map effectively and shoot in unison, in all 4 directions. That added depth, not sprint. You move in one direction: forward, your options become limited, and your strafe becomes quicksand. All those examples you gave, guess what? Normal base speed accomplishes all of that without limiting the player in terms of combat. Imagine that?
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> Ok with thrusters but no sprint. That’s a new one.
Thrusters aren’t going to propel you great distances across the map. They don’t completely wreck the gameplay. I’d prefer to see another Halo game without thrusters, but if something has to stay, then that’s what I’d go with.