There are very few situations in which a betrayal was truly, 100% accidental. By this, I mean that you did the right course of action that would, under normal circumstances, not result in endangering a teammate at all, ever.
Most people think that “oh, since my main goal was not to kill my teammate but it happened anyway, I shouldn’t have gotten the boot”. This does not hold in every situation. If your own carelessness led to the death of a teammate, you deserved to be booted.
Here’s an example of a true accidental betrayal: Firing a rocket at a group of enemies with no teammates in the line of fire, and having one of the enemy’s grenades go off, deflect the rocket backwards, and into your teammate.
Here’s an example of a non-accidental betrayal that many think are “true” accidents: Throwing your grenades at one or more enemies who are fighting your teammate(s). There are ways to help without getting EVERYTHING killed, you know, such as using your guns.
Go ahead, list a betrayal that you think for which you didn’t deserve to get the boot, and I can most likely explain why you in fact should have been.
My message is this: Please take care when playing to reduce the amount of “accidental” betrayals. Most “accidental” betrayals are due to player carelessness or stupidity; if we all cut back on this behavior, the betrayal and therefore the boot rate will go down.
Yeah, if teammates and enemies are fighting in a group, ill throw grenades if my teammates shields are down. I’m pretty sure that after the enemy takes out a players sheild, if the player gets killed by friendly fire, then the enemy still gets a kill.
This one time, I was using the laser, and my teammates just came out of nowhere with a warthog. Thankfully they forgave me.
Then when they respawned, they just came out of nowhere and ate my rockets.
And then they respawned again and walked in front of my shotgun, wtf!? Then they got all mad when I crouched up & down on their bodies. I was just trying to show them where the sniper that they dropped was… but I picked it up right as they walked over so it didn’t matter anyway.
I don’t think it’s very uncommon, these accidents happen to me a lot.
Silly noobs usually boot.
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Srs: accidental betrayals happen maybe once every 50-100 games for me, people are generally just full of BS.
> Finally, the boot police has showed up!
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> /sarcasm
What? I’m saying that about 99% of all boots were warranted by either the clumsiness, carelessness, or stupidity of the betrayer, and that the boot option was deserved in all but very, VERY few circumstances.
Many people think that firing a rocket at a guy who is about to be killed by your teammate’s sword, and then being booted for it, is wrong. I say that boot was 100% in the clear.
actually thats not really true, every so often a team mate spawns in front of a sniper/ walks in front of it, throwing a grenade then a team mate runs in and gets blown up. there are plenty of accidental betrayals you just have to understand when it is accidental
> > Finally, the boot police has showed up!
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> > /sarcasm
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> What? I’m saying that about 99% of all boots were warranted by either the clumsiness, carelessness, or stupidity of the betrayer, and that the boot option was deserved in all but very, VERY few circumstances.
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> Many people think that firing a rocket at a guy who is about to be killed by your teammate’s sword, and then being booted for it, is wrong. I say that boot was 100% in the clear.
I’m not arguing that “accidental” betrayals can be explained away. In the case of killing your sword with a rocket, I agree completely. I’m arguing that there are cases when it should be forgiven. Grenade spamming should get you booted considering its rare that the enemy isn’t credited with the kill. What if I throw a blind sticky across the map and stick a friendly? I should almost be applauded.
My point is that booting someone for TKing when it isn’t blatant hurts the team especially when you boot someone who is carrying their weight or, better yet, carrying the team. Being down a guy isn’t ideal and I hope most people consider that before indiscriminately booting someone for the smallest of infractions.
What about in Halo 3. A out of control Brute Chopper that has gained air in part to an enemy bruteshot near it; Causing it to take air and go flying to the left. Leaving the driver, helplessly trying to maneuver as the Chopper decapitates two team mates(one of whom spawned to see a chopper in his face). Got to be the worst in terms of my accidental betrayals.
I’m not commonly in the Driver seat of a Hog, But i have witnessed alot of Warthog betrayals stemming from people not paying attention. Such as a guy suddenly running out and leaving my driver unable to stop/turn in time. In those situations it’s hardly the Drivers fault, especially when they have attempted to mitigate the betrayal instance.
Sometimes I run into people, whom I suspect, intentionally betray in order to get booted from a game. Maybe they didn’t get the map they wanted or they are lagging badly and want to get booted rather than quit. There have also been times when I’ve been matched with two or three players in a party who enter a match fully intending to betray each other and me just for kicks. Occasionally I’ll get betrayed by a teammate simply because they wanted a tactical spot I was in. It should be noted that I mostly play SWAT so almost every betrayal happens down the sights of a barrel. In SWAT, there are no betrayals motivated by wanting a power weapon or vehicle and there is no collateral damage from explosive weapons. It’s rare but there have been times when a teammate melee betrayed me to knock me off of a perch in order to take my tactical position.
That’s pretty much it for when I get betrayed. So what about when I betray a teammate? Well, like I said I play SWAT mostly. Here are some examples of instances where I am the betrayer.
An opponent is in my sights and a teammate steps right in my line of fire just as I pull the trigger, DOH! This seems to happen a lot on Countdown. There have been times when I’ve seen a teammate getting assassinated and I was aiming to take out the assassin and try for a lifesaver medal. Instead of getting the medal I wind up putting one in my teammate’s skull during the scuffle, DOH! Speaking of assassinations. I have come across teammates who like to steal my kills (aka Yoink) when I am assassinating an opponent, Grrrr. This really pisses me off and I make no apologies for intentionally betraying kill thieves. Then there are the teammates who step right in front of you and don’t move. They are effectively trying to take your position. In those cases I give them a “friendly” nudge with one or two rounds in the torso or leg. Most of the time they get the hint but some folks are thick. They either don’t care or are unaware that they are blocking a teammates line of sight. Repeat offenders get one Sicilian style.
My philosophy on betrayals. I almost always forgive betrayals regardless of the betrayers intention. For the clueless, it is forgiveness. For the intentional betrayer looking to get booted, it is not giving in to their will.
> Here’s an example of a non-accidental betrayal that many think are “true” accidents: Throwing your grenades at one or more enemies who are fighting your teammate(s). There are ways to help without getting EVERYTHING killed, you know, such as using your guns.
Just hotwheeling around in my warthog, mowing down some bad guys. My team mate thinks it’s funny to evade into my warthog, killing himself but giving me the betrayal and then boots me.
if u throw a grenade before at a enemy and ur friendly walks into fight him after the grenade throw is it 100% accidental becuase from what im getting from u is that its my fault in this situation which is bs
> if u throw a grenade before at a enemy and ur friendly walks into fight him after the grenade throw is it 100% accidental becuase from what im getting from u is that its my fault in this situation which is bs
Why are you throwing grenades at ONE guy when you have backup? A two-on-one is very easily winnable without any grenades. You just weren’t thinking, and since Halo is more of an intellectual game than you might think, you WERE in the wrong and you DID DESERVE TO BE BOOTED.
Next time, don’t throw grenades when your teammates are engaging an enemy.
> > if u throw a grenade before at a enemy and ur friendly walks into fight him after the grenade throw is it 100% accidental becuase from what im getting from u is that its my fault in this situation which is bs
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> Why are you throwing grenades at ONE guy when you have backup? A two-on-one is very easily winnable without any grenades. You just weren’t thinking, and since Halo is more of an intellectual game than you might think, you WERE in the wrong and you DID DESERVE TO BE BOOTED.
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> Next time, don’t throw grenades when your teammates are engaging an enemy.
what if you didn’t know your teammate was there or going to engage?
i’ve had quite a few instances where my teammates pop out of no where and engage a person on my grenade or back out so i throw a grenade for support only for him to do a Uturn and challenge even though he had back up.
though, i don’t usually get betrayals from it, it does get annoying.
Second betrayal gives the victim an option of forgiving or booting the player.
By the third betrayal the player is automatically booted since by this point it is no longer accidental and the player is doing more harm to the team than good.
> > > if u throw a grenade before at a enemy and ur friendly walks into fight him after the grenade throw is it 100% accidental becuase from what im getting from u is that its my fault in this situation which is bs
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> > Why are you throwing grenades at ONE guy when you have backup? A two-on-one is very easily winnable without any grenades. You just weren’t thinking, and since Halo is more of an intellectual game than you might think, you WERE in the wrong and you DID DESERVE TO BE BOOTED.
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> > Next time, don’t throw grenades when your teammates are engaging an enemy.
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> what if you didn’t know your teammate was there or going to engage?
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> i’ve had quite a few instances where my teammates pop out of no where and engage a person on my grenade or back out so i throw a grenade for support only for him to do a Uturn and challenge even though he had back up.
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> though, i don’t usually get betrayals from it, it does get annoying.
Teammates should never “come out of nowhere” if you are paying attention. They have a blue triangle with their callsign over it, telling you EXACTLY where they are at all times.
Also, stop using so many grenades. You can kill people with your guns, it’s what the game is mostly based on.