About the Spartan-II's numbers....

Primordial_Bias · June 16, 2012, 3:09pm

Why is it that whenever I count the number of Spartan-II’s that were availible for active duty in 2525 before the Battle of Chi Ceti IV, I count about 12 more spartans than the 33 that was stated to have not died or washed out from the augmentations in The Fall of Reach? I don’t think Class II worked out, so I don’t think any of the extras were from Class II. Can someone explain to me why the number of Spartan-II’s that could actually fight has been messed up on several occasions.

Halo Wars, Red Team, Jerome-092, Alice-130, and Douglas-042
Halo Legends: The Package: Arthur-079 and Solomon-069
Halo Legends: The Babysitter: Cal-141
Halo Legends: Homecoming: Daisy-029
Halo Reach: Jorge-052
Halo Bloodline: Black One, Black Two, Black Three, and Black Four

COG_Ryan · June 16, 2012, 3:13pm

I don’t think Legends classes as canon, so that could be throwing your numbers off.

Here’s the list of the Spartan II’s and there positions. (KIA, MIA, WIA, IA)

SPARTAN-005: James - MIA. Most likely KIA during the Fall of Reach.

SPARTAN-006: Jai - Missing in action with the rest of Gray Team.

SPARTAN-008: Li - Listed as MIA during Slipspace anomaly battle. Assumed KIA due to nearby plasma torpedo detonation.

SPARTAN-010: Naomi - Active as of March 2553. Currently part of Kilo Five.

SPARTAN-023: Daisy - Listed as MIA, confirmed KIA after being impaled by Needler rounds while trying to save a Pelican and its occupants from enemy fire on Harvest.

SPARTAN-029: Joshua - Listed as MIA, though assumed KIA during the Fall of Reach due to a direct hit from a Covenant cruiser’s plasma weaponry.

SPARTAN-030: Vinh - Listed as MIA, though assumed KIA after the Fall of Reach.

SPARTAN-034: Samuel - Listed as MIA, though confirmed KIA due to destruction of the Covenant ship they had boarded. First to destroy a Covenant ship in a non-ship to ship battle.

SPARTAN-039: Isaac - Listed as MIA, though assumed KIA after the Fall of Reach.

SPARTAN-042: Douglas - Last seen aboard UNSC Spirit of Fire after the Battle of Shield 0459 in 2531. Listed as MIA.

SPARTAN-043: William - Listed as MIA, though confirmed KIA by Hunter pair during the Battle of Onyx

SPARTAN-044: Anton - MIA during Slipspace anomaly battle, though assumed KIA due to nearby plasma torpedo detonation.

SPARTAN-047: Keiichi - Presumably listed as MIA at Reach. Last seen during the Harvest Campaign.

SPARTAN-051: Kurt - Listed as MIA, though confirmed KIA after the detonation of two FENRIS nuclear warheads at the core of Onyx.

SPARTAN-052: Jorge - Listed as MIA, though confirmed KIA after initiating a Slipstream bomb during the Fall of Reach.

SPARTAN-058: Linda - Active as of March 2553. Clinically KIA during the Fall of Reach but later resuscitated after the Battle of Installation 04.

SPARTAN-059: Malcolm - Listed as MIA, though confirmed KIA during the Fall of Reach.
SPARTAN-062: Maria - Retired.

SPARTAN-069: Solomon - Listed as MIA. Confirmed KIA by Covenant antimatter charge decoy during a SPARTAN mission to rescue Dr. Catherine Halsey.

SPARTAN-079: Arthur - Listed as MIA. Confirmed KIA by Seraph-class starfighters during SPARTAN mission to rescue Dr. Catherine Halsey.

SPARTAN-087: Kelly - Active as of March 2553

SPARTAN-092: Jerome - Last seen aboard UNSC Spirit of Fire after the Battle of Shield 0459 in 2531. Listed as MIA.

SPARTAN-093: Grace - Listed as MIA. Confirmed KIA during Operation: FIRST STRIKE on Unyielding Hierophant.

SPARTAN-101: Victor - Active as of August 2552.

SPARTAN-104: Frederic - Active as of March 2553

SPARTAN-111: Adriana - MIA with the rest of Gray Team.

SPARTAN-117: John - MIA. Last seen aboard the severed aft section of the Charon-class light frigate UNSC Forward Unto Dawn, drifting toward a mysterious planet.

SPARTAN-122: Joseph - Status unknown, last seen in 2525. Assumed KIA during Fall of Reach.

SPARTAN-130: Alice - Last seen aboard UNSC Spirit of Fire after the Battle of Shield 0459 in 2531. Listed as MIA.

SPARTAN-137: Carris - Status unknown. Presumably KIA during the Fall of Reach.

SPARTAN-141: Cal - Listed as MIA, though confirmed KIA during an assassination operation.

Mike - MIA with the rest of Gray Team.

Randall - MIA.

Sheila - Listed as MIA, though confirmed KIA during the Battle of Miridem.

“Beta Red Actual” - Listed as MIA. Confirmed KIA during the Fall of Reach.

“Black-One” - Active as of August 2552.

“Black-Two” - Active as of August 2552.

“Black-Three” - Active as of August 2552.

“Red-Fifteen” - Listed as MIA. Confirmed KIA during the Fall of Reach.

Unnamed Spartan (Harvest) - Listed as MIA. Confirmed KIA during the Harvest Campaign.

DISCHARGED Spartans

SPARTAN-018: Kirk - Discharged. Possible rehab mentioned by Halsey.

SPARTAN-019: Serin - Protege to Admiral Margaret Parangosky, head of the Office of
Naval Intelligence. Did not accept augmentations, ONI operative as of March 2553 in Kilo Five

SPARTAN-066: Soren - Discharged due to failures in augmentation process[12] Listed as Missing in action on Reach after being shot down in a GA-TL1 Longsword-class
Interceptor.

SPARTAN-075: Cassandra - Discharged due to failures in augmentation procedures, currently residing in the M25L Recovery Station.

SPARTAN-081: René - Discharged. Possible rehab mentioned by Halsey.

SPARTAN-084: Fhajad - Discharged, sent to work for ONI. Suffered uncontrollable muscle spasms due to failures in augmentation, current status unknown. Image shown in Halsey’s Journal for rehab.

SPARTAN-303: Ralph - Unknown if listed as MIA, confirmed KIA in the Harvest Campaign.

Primordial_Bias · June 16, 2012, 3:19pm

I counted 40 in the list of spartans that weren’t discharged.
Also, Legends did mess up in certain areas, such as Ralph-303, unfortunatly.

Haven923 · June 16, 2012, 11:11pm

Wow… after reading that list… lots of mental flashbacks to reading the books. I still wanna see what is to become of Team Katana from the SIIIs They are still up for play.

Toa_Freak · June 17, 2012, 12:34am

> I counted 40 in the list of spartans that weren’t discharged.
> Also, Legends did mess up in certain areas, such as Ralph-303, unfortunatly.

The reason there are more Spartans than the 33 said to have survived the augmentations is because some of the “wash-outs” were able to be salvaged and some even deployed at a later date. This is all explained in Haley’s personal journal. Even the ones that supposedly died were saved in cryo (their death’s faked) until medical technology advanced enough to resuscitate them.

As for Ralph-303, that wasn’t a mistake. Though the exact reason isn’t yet understood, 343 has stated that there is a reason his number is so high.