One thing about the introduction to the Prometheans was how quick 343 was to tell us their origins. With the Flood, most of the back story was left for future games and books; maintaining a mysterious feeling through out the trilogy. For the Prometheans; Chief basically is told what they are, where they came from,and how they were used by in a relatively short time. My question being; would it have been better to save the reveal for Spartan ops and/or future media?
No, the Promethean mystery was more akin to the Halo mystery of the first game. You don’t know exactly what it is or why it’s there and later in the game there’s a twist that reveals it. In CE we found out that Halo existed to destroy all life and combat the flood, in Halo 4 we learnt that the Prometheans are humans turned AI.
No because theoretically speaking they are not our main enemy. The biggest secret they have yet to reveal is the test the Precursors have planned for us. The Primordial said in 100,000 years they will come back to test Humanity’s worthiness to uphold the Mantle and so that time has come. The Librarian hints at this in the game when she says the Spartans were “a thousand life-times of planning” to which the Master Chief asked “Planning for what?” They were interrupted before she could explain.
Considering the Librarian intended Humanity to grow strong and admitted she wanted us to make super soldiers and the Ur-Didact intended to turn us into an Army of Machines under his control, then we have to believe that this test is going to be incredibly violent. What the test will ultimately be however, is the real mystery.
It was done this way because the Prometheans were never meant to be a long term enemy. Considering Requiem is now destroyed , and all of the Didacts Prometheans were on Requiem , it is doubtful they will make a return in large numbers.
Can we all also agree that the Ur-Didact is dead now?
I know it was a point of contention for sometime after release.
Yes because they would kill a highly important character in his first appearance off screen.
They said just before halo 4 that he would have character development so clearly (including the speech) he isn’t dead.
> Yes because they would kill a highly important character in his first appearance off screen.
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> They said just before halo 4 that he would have character development so clearly (including the speech) he isn’t dead.
Sorry , …was he not developed? seemed like it? Between cryptum , primordial , H4 and H4 terminals he seemed pretty deeply developed to me. And the speech has still not been proven to be directly related to current events , unless some presser has has released that I am unaware of.
Sorry but I am not convinced the Didact was speaking about Requiems events , it could just as easily have been the speech he gave to convince the council his plan was better than the Librarians. We don’t know for sure.
1 game is not development and you know that.
It doesn’t really matter if you are convinced since that’s how it is. He is going to pop up later on and you will have no reason for being surprised.
Wow-“since that’s how it is”.
Please , enlighten us all as to where we can purchase “The Future of Halo” , it would be a most interesting read.
And I didn’t call one game development. I called Two books , one game , and back story production elements , development.
Edit: To Mendicant: I don’t mean to sound disrespectful. I hang out on the forums enough to know you are quite well read and quite intelligent , so again no disrespect intended. I just don’t think there is enough evidence to claim “we know”. After all , 343i/Bungie haven’t always been consistent as to what certain details mean.
> And I didn’t call one game development. I called Two books , one game , and back story production elements , development.
The books are sort of irrelevant for the mainstream audience since they likely didn’t read them.
Regardless of what is consumed by the masses , 343i has stated that The Forerunner trilogy is cannon. Therefore , it counts as development of the Didact.
> Regardless of what is consumed by the masses , 343i has stated that The Forerunner trilogy is cannon. Therefore , it counts as development of the Didact.
Nobody said it wasn’t canon, but having one game where the main antagonist gets little development doesn’t count as all the development the games will give him. The books are irrelevant to those who did not read them and 343i said they would be necessary reading for the games. Therefore, it stands to reason the games will further the Ur-Didact’s character development more and thus he is not dead.
> Wow-“since that’s how it is”.
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> Please , enlighten us all as to where we can purchase “The Future of Halo” , it would be a most interesting read.
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> And I didn’t call one game development. I called Two books , one game , and back story production elements , development.
It’s called “common sense” along with “simplicity” you are over thinking such a simple concept. The UR-Didact only played a major role in a single novel the only way your logic would be justified is if he had been in several novels over a decade or so. There isn’t any logic behind a great forerunner military command to only recently be fleshed out to be killed in his first appearance of a new trilogy, off screen, by a pulse grenade of all things.
Problem is we don’t actually know what a pulse grenade would do to organic tissue , seeing as the games have changed how everything works to “justify game play”.
Pretty sure a Pulse Grenade is far more powerful than a Frag or Plasma , considering it comes from this great military race. So , yes he could be dead from a pulse…that exploded inside of him.
And if off screen death means he is still alive , then Jorge is still alive , Carter is still alive , Emile is still alive , Cortana (I know , I know) , is still alive ,…I can go on.
> And if off screen death means he is still alive , then Jorge is still alive , Carter is still alive , Emile is still alive , Cortana (I know , I know) , is still alive ,…I can go on.
Only difference is that all of them except the Ur-Didact were confirmed dead…so yeah.
But how long did it take them to confirm their deaths.The game is less than 6 mo. old , I know it took longer than that for Bungie to confirm.
Don’t get me wrong I love bouncing back and forth with you two , and I understand that you all probably spend a lot of time discussing these concepts with circles I don’t even know exist. But please allow for the fact that you don’t “know” any more than the rest of us who are paying attention. I have been a Sci-fi fan a long time and am very familiar with the concepts , so please don’t take my reluctance to accept your theories as ignorance. i just see a different set of possibilities.
> Problem is we don’t actually know what a pulse grenade would do to organic tissue , seeing as the games have changed how everything works to “justify game play”.
> Pretty sure a Pulse Grenade is far more powerful than a Frag or Plasma , considering it comes from this great military race. So , yes he could be dead from a pulse…that exploded inside of him.
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> And if off screen death means he is still alive , then Jorge is still alive , Carter is still alive , Emile is still alive , Cortana (I know , I know) , is still alive ,…I can go on.
He was wearing armor so i know for a fact he wouldn’t die from a single pulse grenade which acts as an EMP. Only issue is they were confirmed dead and weren’t giving a speech at the end of the game
The speech means nothing Mendicant , unless you can offer definitive proof that it is directly linked to current events. To much coincidence exists between the speech and past events to correlate it directly to Requiem.
Edit: You don’t believe the force of the explosion would cause internal damage?
> The speech means nothing Mendicant , unless you can offer definitive proof that it is directly linked to current events. To much coincidence exists between the speech and past events to correlate it directly to Requiem.
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> Edit: You don’t believe the force of the explosion would cause internal damage?
It only means nothing t you because you insistent it is in the past for some reason. which has several issues that i pointed out in my post.
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10,000 years ago he said “A thousand generations” Now he says “countless” if this was 10,000 years ago like you state he would have just said a thousand.
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The forerunners were not hiding in dark corners of the galaxy 10,000 years ago
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The humans posed no threat to the forerunners after the were reduced and in all honesty the forerunners could have easily wiped them out if they wanted. IT was clearly stated the only reason they were alive was because of the knowledge they had on the flood.
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Humans weren’t using forerunner technology as their own 10,000 years ago nor were they reclaiming anything.
This speech clearly means something or else it wouldn’t be in the game. Cobra doesn’t want the Didact to be alive because he sees him as a worthless enemy but you don’t see him saying he died because of his own opinions. I mean we can talk about this all night if you want but i know he isn’t dead so it would be rather pointless.
Dude, it is a fact that a single pulse grenade wouldn’t damage that armor. Cryptum is all about showing and explaining how strong forerunner armor is. Mjǫlnir wouldn’t even be damaged by a frag grenade point blank so why are we arguing if the armor of a general of a tier one race would be able to survive a grenade point blank?
The Didact is still alive, and the Prometheans are not extinct.
The Epilogue speech would not make full sense if it was from thousands of years ago. Thousands of years ago, humanity was not taking Forerunner accomplishments as their own like the Didact stated in the Epilogue.
Also, its common sense; 343i is not going to kill their new villain after one game.
As for Requiem being destroyed, I’m sure the Storm Covenant took some Promethean forces with them when they evacuated.
I don’t know how i feel about the Promethean part but you are right with everything else.