About Halo Fans

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I’m going to start with me, so you understand where this is coming from. I’ve bought and currently own every Halo, except ODST which was sold a while back. I’ve splurged on limited editions for Halo 2 and Halo 3, along with a legendary for Reach because I’m just a sucker when it comes to these games for some reason.

I played each one regularly until the release of the next. I was one of those weirdos who got all the vidmaster achievements so my Halo 3 armory would be complete. Now, about a few weeks after Reach came out and I’d unboxed my legendary (finally trying the WAY overpriced version to satisfy curiosity), put on my flaming helmet, and finished campaign, I just stopped wanting to play. I didn’t touch Reach for 2 years. Sold my copy and would never have played again unless my Xbox hadn’t RRoD’d and I replaced it with a holiday bundle which included drumroll Reach. When Halo 4’s release was coming up and it was only a matter of time before it was mine, I booted up Reach for the first time since a month after launch.

I was instantly drawn back in. Like crack. I did nothing but play SWAT and leveled from a Warrant Officer to nearly General on that playlist alone. Then Halo 4 came out and it was everything I expected and more. I’m not what you might call a “pro player” so I was personally thrilled with the campaign and multiplayer alike. Still can’t stop playing it even if I want to. All my friends picked up a copy and they had the exact same impression. I used to poke around the old Bungie forums, so I came by these fine forums and to my surprise I’m met with a wall of threads all titled things like “WTF 343?! Y U RUIN HALO?!” “Nerf Boltshot or I quit” “Nerf DMR too, but boltshot more” and just people generally complaining about anything they can over a game that I couldn’t find enough criticism to form a sentence. And I’ve been published as a critic. Personally, my Halo addiction has returned with a vengeance and I’ll be playing infinity multiplayer for years to come, regardless of how many people like the game enough to keep playing it.


When I came back from my 3-year hiatus for Halo 4, I realized that the complaining and negativity was exactly what made me disenchanted with Halo before. It’s not that I can’t handle people who disagree with me - I can. I just find that so many of these complaints are blown out of proportion with anger (LOL IRONY, this thread is a complaint thread, too). Again, that’s just my opinion. All popular games have their passionate fans and Halo players have yet to send death threats to 343i like the DMC crowd did to Ninja Theory.

Okay, fine. People have a right to be upset if that’s the way they feel. In the interest of free speech, they also have a right to express their dissatisfaction if they can do it in a mature fashion. My problem is the general negativity that floats over the Halo fanbase like a particularly annoying rain cloud. I would say 1 in 50 threads here are for neutral discussion of Halo 4 or they try to say something positive. Doesn’t matter though because the positive threads always get overrun by the majority of people who have something to complain about and are not satisfied until they reiterate their point in every thread where it would be deemed on-topic.

I’m not just talking about the forums here, this extends to matchmaking. When I’m not playing with my friends, my microphone is not plugged in. There’s a reason for that, and it isn’t because trash talkers make me all angsty. 9/10 times, the other person with a microphone only opens their mouth to complain about tactics other players are using, how the game is broken because it did not rule a standoff in their favor, etc.

Now, without delving into specific game mechanics and reducing this thread to another case of bandwagoned complaints of what’s trending to disapprove of in Halo 4, let me say again that this has been going on with the release of each new Halo. It isn’t new. When Halo 3 came out, people took issue with the melee mechanics. When Reach came out, a lot of people complained about those changes too. When Halo 5 comes out, there’ll be a whole new list of things to be upset about, I promise.

A lot of these complaints stem from gamers who have mastered the game and its unique physics to such a degree that having to re-adapt for the next game seems unfair. CoD has avoided this problem as it grew and Halo shrunk. How? By releasing a new one every year that is a carbon copy of the previous game with slightly updated graphics. CoD players don’t really need to relearn anything to play the sequel. Even the game’s engine is recycled. Each Halo game has had a brand new engine built from the bottom up to RESEMBLE the previous Halo’s, but also update them. Things are changed each time to suit the improved graphics, fine-tuned/altered gameplay mechanics, and make the game unique despite all of the similarities that are required for it to feel like Halo.

Most FPS players don’t appreciate the work that’s put into that, but I do. They only want the newest Halo to be every bit beloved to us as the one that preceded it and there is no better philosophy for a company to follow, even if they misinterpret what we want from time to time.

This is about a game series we have which I personally consider to have one of the richest stories and lore of any sci-fi tale be it TV, movies, or other video games. An FPS environment that is welcomes both competitive and casual play in a way that no other game before or since has been able to match. Fellow Halo players, why do we feel compelled to bicker and be negative all the time?

AFTERTHOUGHT: After reading the first couple of responses (and they were wonderful!) I think I know why I’ve bothered to type out paragraphs upon paragraphs about this. I’m tired of CoD being on top. I want my friends to love Halo again so I can play online with them. I want the series I love to be considered a contender in the modern game market and not a has-been title that can’t cater to public interest. All this negativity is getting in the way of that because here we have a Halo that has slam dunked the majority of reviews it got, but its own fans are walking away from it not 2 months after it hit shelves. I was hoping for more conviction, I guess. Even if a lot of people here aren’t on the same page as I am, a new Halo game will always be welcome on my shelf. :slight_smile:

Fans on every game forum complain dude, Halo 4’s MP is utter bollocks, -Yoink!- written all over it

online game forums breed the lowest of lowlife’s. Look at every game forum out there and I bet you they are about 75% the same stuff.

Because… that’s how it is. People have different reasons for complaining. When Halo 5 comes out, we will have people saying, “hey, Halo 4 isn’t that bad, why did Halo 5 have to change from it?” and on it will go.

Honestly, I don’t think there’s one true cause for all of the complaining. The only thing that’s important is that you like the game.

Nice post.

People aren’t happy with their experience, and like the OP said it’s their right to complain. But I guarantee at least half of the complaint threads are just people who leeched off of one guys original comment. For example, one or two people came out with “COD Hybrid” now that is used everywhere. (another perfect example would be “unfinished game”.)

The general negativity ruins peoples experience, I only came on here to look for hosted custom games and when I saw all these hate threads (not constructive criticism, hate) it did dishearten me a little. Therefore I will stay and stand by the franchise I love, and the new game I am enjoying. I welcome change but it seems like people can’t handle it in the slightest. Again nice post, tis good to see some positivity like that.

343 in many peoples eyes ruined one of the best games ever so I would expect there to be a lot of anger towards them.

> Because… that’s how it is. People have different reasons for complaining. When Halo 5 comes out, we will have people saying, “hey, Halo 4 isn’t that bad, why did Halo 5 have to change from it?” and on it will go.
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> Honestly, I don’t think there’s one true cause for all of the complaining. The only thing that’s important is that you like the game.

The only reason that trend of going on the next game continues it because the developer chooses the path or profit over their fans. I have yet to see an example were killing your core fans somehow makes the population raise beyond what you had before hand. Halo 5 won’t be the first.

If they choose the fans and bring back what Halo once was I guarantee there won’t be nearly as much as hate on Halo 5.

Halo: Reach copped it bad and I was on the forums when it happened.

That does not compare to the amount of hate Halo 4 has received and is still ongoing. Why you may think? 343 are taking an approach where they are the holy gods and what they say goes.

You may be able to that in China or South Korea where you are executed or ‘disappear’ for the slightest hate but everywhere else, we speak our mind and when your game sucks you’ll know about it.

When they stop and listen to legitimate concerns that are blatantly there and obvious maybe the hate will start to slow down.

Hate will always be there in any game, but you can tell when it is trolling hate and when it is legit your game is bad hate. In this case the game is simply bad.

> Nice post.
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> People aren’t happy with their experience, and like the OP said it’s their right to complain. But I guarantee at least half of the complaint threads are just people who leeched off of one guys original comment. For example, one or two people came out with “COD Hybrid” now that is used everywhere. (another perfect example would be “unfinished game”.)
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> The general negativity ruins peoples experience, I only came on here to look for hosted custom games and when I saw all these hate threads (not constructive criticism, hate) it did dishearten me a little. Therefore I will stay and stand by the franchise I love, and the new game I am enjoying. I welcome change but it seems like people can’t handle it in the slightest. Again nice post, tis good to see some positivity like that.

How can you post constructive criticism on a forum that gets ignored by those who you’re trying to criticise?

Also, people can handle change. Every game has had change. It’s just -Yoink- change with no place in Halo that people can’t stand.

> > Because… that’s how it is. People have different reasons for complaining. When Halo 5 comes out, we will have people saying, “hey, Halo 4 isn’t that bad, why did Halo 5 have to change from it?” and on it will go.
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> > Honestly, I don’t think there’s one true cause for all of the complaining. The only thing that’s important is that you like the game.
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> The only reason that trend of going on the next game continues it because the developer chooses the path or profit over their fans. I have yet to see an example were killing your core fans somehow makes the population raise beyond what you had before hand. Halo 5 won’t be the first.
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> If they choose the fans and bring back what Halo once was I guarantee there won’t be nearly as much as hate on Halo 5.
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> Halo: Reach copped it bad and I was on the forums when it happened.
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> That does not compare to the amount of hate Halo 4 has received and is still ongoing. Why you may think? 343 are taking an approach where they are the holy gods and what they say goes.
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> You may be able to that in China or South Korea where you are executed or ‘disappear’ for the slightest hate but everywhere else, we speak our mind and when your game sucks you’ll know about it.
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> When they stop and listen to legitimate concerns that are blatantly there and obvious maybe the hate will start to slow down.
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> Hate will always be there in any game, but you can tell when it is trolling hate and when it is legit your game is bad hate. In this case the game is simply bad.

That is a really good way of explaining why there is so much hate and also why I hate on the game. They literally gave a middle finger to the people who liked classic Halo.

> online game forums breed the lowest of lowlife’s. Look at every game forum out there and I bet you they are about 75% the same stuff.

That is why I avoid the Battlelog forum (the Battlefield forums)

Too many whiners, trolls, furries, weaboos, bronies, and annoying people.

> > Nice post.
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> > People aren’t happy with their experience, and like the OP said it’s their right to complain. But I guarantee at least half of the complaint threads are just people who leeched off of one guys original comment. For example, one or two people came out with “COD Hybrid” now that is used everywhere. (another perfect example would be “unfinished game”.)
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> > The general negativity ruins peoples experience, I only came on here to look for hosted custom games and when I saw all these hate threads (not constructive criticism, hate) it did dishearten me a little. Therefore I will stay and stand by the franchise I love, and the new game I am enjoying. I welcome change but it seems like people can’t handle it in the slightest. Again nice post, tis good to see some positivity like that.
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> How can you post constructive criticism on a forum that gets ignored by those who you’re trying to criticise?
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> Also, people can handle change. Every game has had change. It’s just Yoink! change with no place in Halo that people can’t stand.

You must be one of the people I spoke about then.

Do you truely believe 343 aren’t listening to the fans? I don’t. They should work on communication yeah but I don’t believe for a second they ignore the community. Like i’ve said on other posts in the forum, I reckon they have something in store for us, if not this January TU (which it should be for their sakes) then in the next TU after it. I’m not trying to lick 343’s tooshie, but I’m keeping some faith in them.

And with the change part, it still feels like Halo to me? Isn’t that what matters? People I’ve known from Halo over the years have said the same as me, Halo 4 has it’s problems like every game has but it’s still an enjoyable Halo experience. These people you spoke about who can’t stand the change well, theres always another game you can play (ooo I went there too). I for one like the way the change is going and hopefully WHEN the creases are ironed out, more people will like it too.

> > > Nice post.
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> > > People aren’t happy with their experience, and like the OP said it’s their right to complain. But I guarantee at least half of the complaint threads are just people who leeched off of one guys original comment. For example, one or two people came out with “COD Hybrid” now that is used everywhere. (another perfect example would be “unfinished game”.)
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> > > The general negativity ruins peoples experience, I only came on here to look for hosted custom games and when I saw all these hate threads (not constructive criticism, hate) it did dishearten me a little. Therefore I will stay and stand by the franchise I love, and the new game I am enjoying. I welcome change but it seems like people can’t handle it in the slightest. Again nice post, tis good to see some positivity like that.
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> > How can you post constructive criticism on a forum that gets ignored by those who you’re trying to criticise?
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> > Also, people can handle change. Every game has had change. It’s just Yoink! change with no place in Halo that people can’t stand.
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> You must be one of the people I spoke about then.
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> Do you truely believe 343 aren’t listening to the fans? I don’t. They should work on communication yeah but I don’t believe for a second they ignore the community. Like i’ve said on other posts in the forum, I reckon they have something in store for us, if not this January TU (which it should be for their sakes) then in the next TU after it. I’m not trying to lick 343’s tooshie, but I’m keeping some faith in them.
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> And with the change part, it still feels like Halo to me? Isn’t that what matters? People I’ve known from Halo over the years have said the same as me, Halo 4 has it’s problems like every game has but it’s still an enjoyable Halo experience. These people you spoke about who can’t stand the change well, theres always another game you can play (ooo I went there too). I for one like the way the change is going and hopefully WHEN the creases are ironed out, more people will like it too.

Besides Master Chief, some of the weapons, and the storyline how does it feel like Halo? Sprint does not feel like Halo, AAs do not feel like Halo, Care packages do not feel like Halo, there are no static weapon spawns like Halo, loadouts, etc. I could seriously bring up point after point about how they have changed the game into something other than Halo.

This is why I don’t like visiting forums too often anymore.

Halo is a franchise I love, and so many people hating on it makes me feel like I’m playing some washed up game that only I like, and it makes me not want to like it because I feel like I’m biased or something.

The short answer? The Halo forum community, and likewise the communities for many other games’ forums, are made up largely of fools and imbeciles who spout little more than rage if things don’t go their way and get all melodramatic when they get called out for it.

There are SOME reasonable folk of course, but overall it’s made up of the kind of stuff that can make you hate a game. This site’s community is certainly no exception…I can absolutely see why the mods are ban happy, I would be too if I was minding a bunch of snot-nosed, entitled, whiny babies.

> All popular games have their passionate fans and Halo players have yet to send death threats to 343i like the DMC crowd did to Ninja Theory.

Don’t you dare mention that heathen of a game.

Great post OP. I feel exactly the same way as you and have a similar Halo gaming history as well! (Except I didn’t have a two year break from Reach lol).

Halo will be back on top when 343i find the focus and clarity and quality that Bungie pumped into the original Halo trilogy multiplayer games and even Reach.

At present it lacks focus and an edge, and instead presents a fuzzy mix of things let down by a lack of attention to detail and very poor map design.

It looks good… but who cares about the looks? Gameplay is the currency that us Halo players pay attention to, not how the graphics look.

I mean… do we really need that many Spartan helmets and armors? Wouldn’t 343is budget be better spent on other things like testing and Quality Assurance?

@Shoot Tha H3ad

I’m glad you posted this. I already addressed free speech in my first post. Of course you’re welcome to express any dissatisfaction just as the rest of us are free to listen and decide for ourselves whether or not you are right.

In this case, I can’t agree with you. I hope this isn’t mistaken as antagonism. I want to keep this thread as civilized as possible if I can. My problem is that from where I’m sitting, your logic is flawed. Feel free to correct me if I’m wrong. Heregoes…

> The only reason that trend of going on the next game continues it because the developer chooses the path or profit over their fans. I have yet to see an example were killing your core fans somehow makes the population raise beyond what you had before hand. Halo 5 won’t be the first.

  1. 343 only cares about your money
    Game developing is, like any other entertainment industry, a business. Money is invested, a product is made, and a successful product turns over profit. A successful product is a product that meets the consumer’s needs, therefore by caring about our money, they care about the quality of the game. Basic economics at its finest.

  2. 343 continues to choose profit over fans
    I agree. Alienating fans is bad business. You can expect the game to flop if fans feel cheated - and it is declining. There you have it! My problem is that people are acting like 343, while developing Halo 4, were making decisions about the game with the intention of alienating fans. These are people who have gone to college for what they do and take their jobs seriously. I can’t imagine that they showed up to work with any intention apart from trying to make Halo 4 the best game they could on the budget they had with the resources that were available. It isn’t a monolithic hivemind of greedy businessmen, it’s an office of programmers, designers, artists and the like who are organizing and meeting deadlines. Any money-grubbing can be attributed to Microsoft being the liason between 343 and the consumer. BUT any and ALL creative direction is done by 343 and 343 alone. Microsoft are the ones who commission DLC from 343 and price it in the marketplace. 343’s only job is to meet deadlines, stay within budget, and do the best with what they’re given. In other words, everything about Halo 4 as a game was not created by the company who profits from you buying it. The developers are paid up front. They don’t see an extra penny if Halo 4 sells another copy. Maybe you’ll conclude differently, but I have no doubt in my mind that everything in Halo 4 was intended only for the sake of improving the quality of the game. A lot of fans may despise those decisions, but they were made with the best of intentions. To a more casual player such as myself, there isn’t anything gamebreaking about them.

> That does not compare to the amount of hate Halo 4 has received and is still ongoing. Why you may think? 343 are taking an approach where they are the holy gods and what they say goes.

They are the game developers. They built it from bits of code all the way up to 3D modeling. I think that given the fans’ response, they have definitely heard everything. Now I won’t address the holy gods comment since that’s just plain silly, but it is at the end of the day their game. They DO get the final say, but no successful developer (ESPECIALLY one put together by as successful a company as Microsoft) would be so stupid as to turn their backs on the fans. They want you to like Halo 4. They want Halo 4 to be something you will like and enjoy and buy so that Microsoft will see sales go up, perhaps give them a BIGGER budget next time around, and they can stay working.

I guarantee that the moderators to this forum are keeping track of what people are saying so there is feedback at the office. If they weren’t reading any of this, no threads would ever be locked and no member would ever be banned. They’re reading everything they can, probably skipping over things that have already been said (which is a lot) that much I am sure of. I’m also certain that they will try to address each issue in a way that will satisfy some demands without changing what people have become used to too drastically. It’s a fine line to walk and either way you can’t please everybody.

> You may be able to that in China or South Korea where you are executed or ‘disappear’ for the slightest hate but everywhere else, we speak our mind and when your game sucks you’ll know about it.

I already gave you your free speech in the OP, now there’s no need to be confrontational or nasty. You’re talking about a subjective thing, an opinion just as arbitrary as mine if not for the presumed majority of people who agree with you. I’ve shown nothing but respect for your views and all I ask is that you return that courtesy. :slight_smile:

> When they stop and listen to legitimate concerns that are blatantly there and obvious maybe the hate will start to slow down.
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> Hate will always be there in any game, but you can tell when it is trolling hate and when it is legit your game is bad hate. In this case the game is simply bad.

I have no doubt that the hate for Halo 4 is genuine. What I’m questioning is the extreme nature of it all. Everything people have been saying could have been expressed so much more reasonably without diminishing how strongly you feel. Again, how blatantly obvious your concerns are is subjective. Like I said in the OP, I didn’t have a problem with any of them, really. The first I heard of them is when I came to the forums. QED

I thought that since you took the time to read my massive post and type out a somewhat lengthy one yourself that we could go about this in an intelligent way (despite this being the waypoint forums and all). I hope you or someone who agrees with you proves me right. :slight_smile:

> A lot of these complaints stem from gamers who have mastered the game and its unique physics to such a degree that having to re-adapt for the next game seems unfair.

Nope. Better luck next thread.

> Besides Master Chief, some of the weapons, and the storyline how does it feel like Halo? Sprint does not feel like Halo, AAs do not feel like Halo, Care packages do not feel like Halo, there are no static weapon spawns like Halo, loadouts, etc. I could seriously bring up point after point about how they have changed the game into something other than Halo.

Your first points add 90% to what Halo really is. But so be it, you obviously want the competitive side involved too.
Like you said with weapons, I can still start with my AR, I have shields that are the same as every other Halo, I can still custom game in a fun environment with friends (yeah its a downgrade essentially, but still able to pump out hours of fun.), I can still make maps on forge, the classic vehicles are there (warthog, scorpion, banshee, ghost), my frags still bounce and my plasmas still stick, still have a funky voiceover guy… i also could bring up point after point.

There are no “care packages” there are ordinance drops, a new CHANGE to Halo that isn’t taken from COD, I don’t see any airstrikes or UAV’s, do you? Following on from that, having no static weapon spawns means I don’t be named “camper” for just wanting a go of a sniper rifle. The game forces you to adapt to a situation when getting these random choices in a drop.
Also a point I want to make is that people are complaining now because they have to be competitive off their own back, not having all the stuff spoon fed to them.

Sprint is one of them things that don’t phase me, if its there then its there, if it goes then so be it, doesn’t bother me. But I do not want another Halo 2, people said similar things about Halo 3 when it came out but essensially its just nostalgia getting into the mind.