A Tutorial for Making Halo 4 Threads

Good afternoon my fellow community members. It has come to my attention that 90% of the community is incapable of producing a thread that amounts to anything other than mindless bashing, or blinded praise when it comes to Halo 4. Very few articles on these forums actually do anything to justify their stance on the recent information and usually amount to bi passed profanity filters, meme based comebacks, and countless " 343 betrayed us all" comments.

Just to let you all know, threads like these do absolutely nothing but harm to the Halo community and the atmosphere. You come in with " 343 ruined the game, close the studio down, I hate you" or " Thank god 343 did what they did, this community is terrible, haters gonna hate, etc etc."

Fact of the matter is none of this provides any constructive criticism and is unable to effect the production of Halo 4 because it has no reasons, no ideas, no substance. It is all just mindless hatred or blind allegiance.

All it accomplishes is makes the community look like a bunch of spoiled rotten brats. There is a team in Washington that has slaved away for the past 3 years creating a game for YOU. If you love it thats fine. If you hate it, thats fine too. But when things don’t turn out the way you have been planning it out in your head for the past 3 years, it doesn’t mean take to the forums and make nonconstructive and counterproductive threads that give no actual feedback.

So, from now on when you feel like making a thread. How about you actually put some thought and constructive feedback.

Who do you think 343 will listen to?

Exhibit A: 343 you suck, you are the worst developers of all time. Spartan points? What kind of a name is that? Loadouts? Really 343! So you just decided to screw over your fans and make a new cod game! I hope you die and your studio burns to the ground. Halo is dead, reach 2.0 all over again. Call of Halo Battlefield 5. ( profanity profanity profanity)

Exhibit B: 343, it has come to my attention lately that you have decided to implement some changes that I have taken some concern to. As a long time halo fan I am very passionate when it comes to the series and I just don’t feel comfortable with some of these changes. For example loadouts. i feel like they may cause balance disruptions in gameplay. halo has always been focused on balanced, even gameplay and the concept of loadouts tends to break that mold.

( now you make a suggestion/constructive criticism)

When crafting loadouts it is impeccable that it does not disrupt balance, and even if you get it to a point where it can be competitive, I would greatly appreciate an alternate playlist where everyone spawns more traditionally with even starts.

So whether you praise the game or hate it try to follow these guidelines.

1 Sound educated: I don’t care if you have to use dictionary.com and spend an extra 5 seconds. Make your post presentable and worth reading

2 Clearly address your concerns: Surprisingly, a lot of people just talk about how bad the game looks without even giving a reason. State your concerns clearly.

3 Give reasons why you like or dislike said topic: Don’t just say its good or bad. Say WHY its good or bad. Give reasons, examples, and educated constructive criticism on your topic of choice. This will allow 343 to identify the problem and the communities concerns exactly.

4 Be respectful: I realize this is the internet, but are you really incapable of acting mature and educated for the 3 minutes it takes you to make your thread? You honestly think 343 is going to listen to someone with the vocabulary of a 6th grade prepubescent child who just learned about profanity? No, they wont. They are going to listen to those who submit their ideas with respect, courtesy, and reason.

5 Be encouraging: So maybe you don’t like a lot of things, but i see a lot of people just bash and bash. If you really just hate the game outright then this part isn’t meant for you. But maybe you like that the BR is back, maybe you think Spartan Ops sounds cool, maybe your excited about the campaign. When writing your complaints maybe throw in some stuff you like about the game.

6 Be reasonable: 343 is not going to cancel their game and they are not going to scrap loadouts. Asking them to do so is unreasonable, instead give suggestions that are actually plausible. Like having a separate competitive playlist. or making sprint toggle-able.

I’m not trying to put myself on a pedestal here and act like I’m the only capable community member on the forum. There are many people here who are equally if not more capable of writing quality informative posts.

This is honestly for the benefit of the community. You want so badly for 343 to make changes and have Halo 4 be the way you want it to be, but it is you who are making it impossible for them to actually receive the communities feedback because all of the good posts get buried by the incompetent ones. This thread is made to inspire all of you to rethink the way you go about these forums. This forum would do a lot more good and its ideas would be heard a lot easier if instead of a million hate threads, we made just a few well thought out suggestions.

So please, relax and go about your business with class. If you are happy then great, if you are angry you have a right to be. But don’t let your emotions get the better of you and be counterproductive in giving 343 feedback. If you are incapable of creating a decent thread, then maybe you should stick to commenting in someone elses. If you do choose to make a thread, keep in mind some of the things you have read right here.

I have faith in you guys, if you agree with this template then keep it around and maybe we can clean up some of the mess we have made. The more educated, well thought out posts there are the better chance 343 will actually take in to account what we say.

Thank You

Its true people. keep this thread up, maybe get it stickied so that the community will have something to go on. With out civility the forums will become obsolete.

Your views are refreshing. Stay classy my friend.

> Your views are refreshing. Stay classy my friend.

Thank you, and I’ll try. :slight_smile:

Ah, if everyone here expressed their concerns as politely as you and I do (although I definitely could do some improvement with my wording), the community as a whole would have much better chances of being listened. While this thread most certainly is off-topic, it’s definitely worth of keeping on the front page.

I really appreciated that you aknowledged the problems of both sides. All the time I see threads complaining about people complaining. That kind of attitude is far from productive. Did the community follow the advice of this thread, I believe some kind of progress could even be made with this whole subject.

> Ah, if everyone here expressed their concerns as politely as you and I do (although I definitely could do some improvement with my wording), the community as a whole would have much better chances of being listened. While this thread most certainly is off-topic, it’s definitely worth of keeping on the front page.
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> I really appreciated that you aknowledged the problems of both sides. All the time I see threads complaining about people complaining. That kind of attitude is far from productive. Did the community follow the advice of this thread, I believe some kind of progress could even be made with this whole subject.

Thank you. You are certainly not the problem here. All of your posts are very detailed and well thought out. Unfortunately you are the exception, and it would be nice to see the rest of the community follow in a similar manner.

as far as the thread being off topic, i tried to incorporate elements of Halo 4 discussion in it. I acknowledged this while writing so I threw in some Halo 4 issues etc. to keep it relevant.

Also just a suggestion to get this circulating. If you see someone who has recently made a unproductive, and uninformative thread. Link them to this main thread so that they can see. Those are the people it’s targetting. Unfortunately, I don’t know if those people would even click and read it. Spread it around and get the community on track.

> > Ah, if everyone here expressed their concerns as politely as you and I do (although I definitely could do some improvement with my wording), the community as a whole would have much better chances of being listened. While this thread most certainly is off-topic, it’s definitely worth of keeping on the front page.
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> > I really appreciated that you aknowledged the problems of both sides. All the time I see threads complaining about people complaining. That kind of attitude is far from productive. Did the community follow the advice of this thread, I believe some kind of progress could even be made with this whole subject.
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> Thank you. You are certainly not the problem here. All of your posts are very detailed and well thought out. Unfortunately you are the exception, and it would be nice to see the rest of the community follow in a similar manner.
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> as far as the thread being off topic, i tried to incorporate elements of Halo 4 discussion in it. I acknowledged this while writing so I threw in some Halo 4 issues etc. to keep it relevant.

If I were in charge, this thread would be a pinned topic. It’s really easy to go overbroad with your feelings on internet when you have the anonymity provided, and you can say pretty much anything without fear. And I believe that people in general usually have problems with making their thoughts into words and not only that, but also writing it down. Not only that, but even people who are capable of writing good text, treat forum posts like text messages, something you quickly write down and forget. In reality, the post is like a job application e-mail, it gives people the impression of you and you better consider what you write to be taken seriously.

This thread certainly won’t change the attitude of people over night, but if there is even one person who actually learns something, this thread has already been a success. We can only hope that people will understand how to have a good discussion over internet. The first step would probably be to realize that you’re discussing with an actual person.

For the good cause of this thread, I will certainly tell about it to people who need it the most. Maybe, just maybe, some of them will learn that the posts you make have a meaning.

Thank you. I appreciate that. I don’t expect massive changes over night but maybe as time progresses and more people see it, the overall forum content will be more productive.

Halo is more than a game, it is a community, and it’s not healthy for the community to be in a state of disarray like this.

Bump. :slight_smile:

It appears as though plenty of the people on the forums are uneducated. I remember a forum where when there was a useless topic, or if you were aggressive in any way what so ever, or even if you spoke in l33t speak too much, you were banned. Some bad cases resulted in an IP ban. There were a lot of polite, awesome people on that forum.

They would organize a game night every night, and as it turned out, the one time I joined them, it turned out that they were 12 - 15 year old kids who weren’t very educated at all. This proves that anyone can post a good post without being aggressive toward anything, anyone, and any company.

Im just gonna move this. Ooh. It appears I have “bumped” into this thread.

I gotta be honest, seeing that it’s a thread on Waypoint, I was fully expecting sarcasm with a side of “You bad.”

Unfortunately, that’s what it’s come to after Friday and Saturday and the horrible storm that was.

Just wanted to say thanks for making that thread, man. Hopefully people actually will see this and actually think before they say.

> I gotta be honest, seeing that it’s a thread on Waypoint, I was fully expecting sarcasm with a side of “You bad.”
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> Unfortunately, that’s what it’s come to after Friday and Saturday and the horrible storm that was.
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> Just wanted to say thanks for making that thread, man. Hopefully people actually will see this and actually think before they say.

I don’t blame you. The forums are a tough place to be right now. Things need to change and we all need to work for the good of halo.

Although I agree 100% with the OP, I won’t hold my breathe for the sudden glut of helpful, constructive threads. Sadly, this thread will be buried among the 100 ‘My opinion is FACT’ style threads within a few days.

> Although I agree 100% with the OP, I won’t hold my breathe for the sudden glut of helpful, constructive threads. Sadly, this thread will be buried among the 100 ‘My opinion is FACT’ style threads within a few days.

Well some people have suggested getting it stickied, but I don’t really have control over it. Lets just keep it up so people can see.

I can’t tell you how happy I am to see this. Good job, sir. (or… should I say… SUR? /bad joke)

Its glad to know that their are people with class on the Halo forums. A say a mod would be out of his mind if he didn’t sticky this or didn’t post something similar. Great job.

Respect :slight_smile:

> I can’t tell you how happy I am to see this. Good job, sir. (or… should I say… SUR? /bad joke)

I chuckled a bit. :slight_smile:

But my name was spelled like that on purpose. I know how to spell sir.

Just so people don’t think I’m inept lol.

> Its glad to know that their are people with class on the Halo forums. A say a mod would be out of his mind if he didn’t sticky this or didn’t post something similar. Great job.

I don’t know how the mods conduct their buisness. I think it would be great for a sticky. But thats pretty tough to do.