> It makes sense but when people are demanding the removal of the weapon instead of the balancing of it that is going overboard. It is like people demanding the removal of the sawed off shotgun and retro lancer from Gears 3 when after balancing they were just fine.
Very true, Gears 3 had some of the best experiences in it, but it had major issues coming out of the gate much more than Halo 4 has ever had, and you have not seen framerate issues unless you were playing Matchmaking on Gears 3 the first 2-3 months, it was epic…
Once the tweaks and balancing was done it worked fine and they were able to fix its issues with further updates. People also have to realize that if your connection speed is below 3.0 MB you will possibly suffer lag or framerate issues just because your connection is similar to a Dinosaur at this point and Xbox Live recommends 3.0 MB or higher for Video Games.
Give 343i respectful and polite opinions, and concerns, dont disrespectfully bash them or act like you deserve a hand out from them because you do not, and being annoying or bashing them over and over will only earn yourself a permanent ban.
also its way to easy to rank up in halo4 all you really need to do to rank up is play spartan ops not even needing to do multiplayer to rank up
I can tell you know NOTHING.
yeah GOWJ is removing locusts and DBNO from MP, however there`s plenty of things its doing right.
-removed stopping power
-removed active reload buffs
-better control scheme
-can no longer plant nades on walls in MP
-maps made specifically for certain gametypes
-Overrun mode (kinda like beast and horde mixed together)
-less BS in campaign (thank god for this one)
now Im not saying that I agree with everything theyre doing (sniper rifle at spawn wtf?) however don`t act like a skin for your character is the death of the GOW franchise.
I actually gave up on the GOW franchise about a year ago so you can tell I`m not lying when I say that GOWJ is looking like a great game.
if you want to know more about GOWJ then I recommend you watch arctics videos, see unlike the OP here he actually knows what hes talking about.
How can something be balanced if it is removed from the base in which it is being tested. Internal testing only goes so far.
> > It makes sense but when people are demanding the removal of the weapon instead of the balancing of it that is going overboard.
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> I would rather have the weapon out of matchmaking until it is balanced. I don’t want to have to deal with a broken weapon for several months until one day it is finally fixed. I would rather see the weapon removed from matchmaking and then put back in once it was balanced.
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> For instance the map complex was completely broken. Glitches ruined the map. I would have preferred if the map was removed from matchmaking as soon as these problems became apparent then once it was fixed it could be re-introduced into matchmaking.
Im quite sure any weapon you demand be removed has only killed you a couple of times, and Complex was fixed almost right after the glitch was discovered and it was only exploited in Flood for the most part.
The Plasma Pistol, Boltshot, can be easily avoided, even in a Mantis and especially in a Ghost or Warthog if thats what you think the problem is, the EMP effect of the Plasma Pistol.
Damn, thought this was a thread about the Sudds…
the problems with coustom games need to be addressed first as many are bad glitches such as major frame rate issues on forge maps and settings for customs not working
and i dont mean stupid settings like i cant turn sprint off and other things we dont even have the option to do i mean things like the respawn delay on infinity slayer being glitched then any in game match making glitches then the file share being broke then they should focus on weapon balance and add features such as ranking systems ect
> I can tell you know NOTHING.
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> yeah GOWJ is removing locusts and DBNO from MP, however there`s plenty of things its doing right.
-removed stopping power
-removed active reload buffs
-better control scheme
-can no longer plant nades on walls in MP
-maps made specifically for certain gametypes
-Overrun mode (kinda like beast and horde mixed together)
-less BS in campaign (thank god for this one)
now Im not saying that I agree with everything theyre doing (sniper rifle at spawn wtf?) however dont act like a skin for your character is the death of the GOW franchise. > > I actually gave up on the GOW franchise about a year ago so you can tell Im not lying when I say that GOWJ is looking like a great game.
if you want to know more about GOWJ then I recommend you watch arctics videos, see unlike the OP here he actually knows what hes talking about.
The listed items I agree are good, however, the brutality of executions and the COG vs Locust was a big part of what made the game popular. It wasn’t like every other shooter on the market because of things like this and its famous cover system. I don’t like the removal of planted grenades (at least for survival modes like Horde where I used them to defend choke points and signal enemy locations for my team so as to make it through wave 50 or at least as close to it as we could).
> Im quite sure any weapon you demand be removed has only killed you a couple of times, and Complex was fixed almost right after the glitch was discovered and it was only exploited in Flood for the most part.
The only weapon that i personally would like to see removed and balanced would be the boltshot. The weapon has killed me roughly around 200 times, but that is not the point. Spawning with a osk weapon is just completely unacceptable especially for halo, it ruins close quarter combat especially when the boltshot( a weapon you can spawn with) can beat a shotgun(power weapon you have to pick up).
> The Plasma Pistol, Boltshot, can be easily avoided, even in a Mantis and especially in a Ghost or Warthog if thats what you think the problem is, the EMP effect of the Plasma Pistol.
Spawning with a plasma pistol completely ruins vehicle game play. You can’t just say it’s easy to avoid when half an enemy team is stunning you all at the same time. It is not fun knowing that if i am in a vehicle there is a large chance that the enemy team has several people who have the plasma pistol in their loadout.
> > I can tell you know NOTHING.
> >
> > yeah GOWJ is removing locusts and DBNO from MP, however there`s plenty of things its doing right.
-removed stopping power
-removed active reload buffs
-better control scheme
-can no longer plant nades on walls in MP
-maps made specifically for certain gametypes
-Overrun mode (kinda like beast and horde mixed together)
-less BS in campaign (thank god for this one)
now Im not saying that I agree with everything theyre doing (sniper rifle at spawn wtf?) however dont act like a skin for your character is the death of the GOW franchise. > > > > I actually gave up on the GOW franchise about a year ago so you can tell Im not lying when I say that GOWJ is looking like a great game.
if you want to know more about GOWJ then I recommend you watch arctics videos, see unlike the OP here he actually knows what hes talking about.
The listed items I agree are good, however, the brutality of executions and the COG vs Locust was a big part of what made the game popular. It wasn’t like every other shooter on the market because of things like this and its famous cover system. I don’t like the removal of planted grenades (at least for survival modes like Horde where I used them to defend choke points and signal enemy locations for my team so as to make it through wave 50 or at least as close to it as we could).
the removal of DBNO (thus executions) is a very strange and seemingly unnecessary change theyve made, although the feature wasnt exactly necessary nor gameplay enhancing I will say that it was a very loved feature in the GOW series so I see why people would be so passionate about it.
the whole locust vs COG thing really isn`t relevant to the gameplay, its just a skin and nothing more.
I can tell you don`t know me very well, if you did you would know that horde is my favorite thing about the GOW franchise.
most of the time its much smarter to throw the nades, that way you don`t have it wasted on wretches, tickers, sires, etc.
planted nades are obviously beneficial to horde, however no-one knows whether or not you can plant nades in horde or not as of right now, hell no-one even knows whether GOWJ will have horde or not to begin with so really lets just stop speculating.
> I am referring to Gears Judment, have a look at what it has done to the series. No DBNO or Locust in multiplayer and many more things. But lets not get into that here. Gears 3 was amazing by the way and I agree with it having the best multiplayer.
Lets not get into that here? It’s the subject of your thread! And I’d like to know as well.
What did Gears of War do to itself? I’m a bit out of the loop here. I haven’t played it much in while.
> What did Gears of War do to itself? I’m a bit out of the loop here. I haven’t played it much in while.
the OP was referring to GOWJ, although the game hasnt come out yet and although theyve fixed some of the main issues in previous GOW games the OP somehow still believes that GOW is being destroyed.
here`s something you guys may not realize, every single GOW game so far has had a tremendous of flaws holding the game back.
GOW1-rushed
if you look closely youll see some of the textures havent even been put on the maps, its a shame really.
GOW2-lag
why do you think GOW3 had dedicated servers? because GOW2`s most apparent and consistence was the lag.
GOW3-overemphasis of rifle play
rifle-play is simply not fun nor enjoyable in the least in the GOW franchise and because of this the game was VERY boring to play.
a perfect example of how rifle play affected GOW3 would be Blood Drive, see blood drive was actually the best map in GOW2 and yet in GOW3 it became one of the worst, why you ask? because instead of rewarding you for aggressive play it was more beneficial to just stay on your side and wait for the enemy to make a move, thus making a big ol campfest.
now I`m not saying that GOWJ is going to be perfect or anything but what I will say is that if removing DBNO and locust from MP are its biggest issues then it could easily be the best GOW game yet.
dont forget cliffy B has left epic games, i’m pretty sure he was the mastermind behind it.
It’s odd. Everywhere else I look, people love Halo 4 and even like it more than the other games. Then here on Waypoint, everyone seems to dislike it.
> > What did Gears of War do to itself? I’m a bit out of the loop here. I haven’t played it much in while.
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> the OP was referring to GOWJ, although the game hasnt come out yet and although theyve fixed some of the main issues in previous GOW games the OP somehow still believes that GOW is being destroyed.
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> here`s something you guys may not realize, every single GOW game so far has had a tremendous of flaws holding the game back.
GOW1-rushed
if you look closely youll see some of the textures havent even been put on the maps, its a shame really.
GOW2-lag
why do you think GOW3 had dedicated servers? because GOW2s most apparent and consistence was the lag. > > GOW3-overemphasis of rifle play > > rifle-play is simply not fun nor enjoyable in the least in the GOW franchise and because of this the game was VERY boring to play. > > a perfect example of how rifle play affected GOW3 would be Blood Drive, see blood drive was actually the best map in GOW2 and yet in GOW3 it became one of the worst, why you ask? because instead of rewarding you for aggressive play it was more beneficial to just stay on your side and wait for the enemy to make a move, thus making a big ol campfest. > > now Im not saying that GOWJ is going to be perfect or anything but what I will say is that if removing DBNO and locust from MP are its biggest issues then it could easily be the best GOW game yet.
Thanks for that.
What is DBNO though? (Down but not out?)
Funny, Epic messed up with UT3 as well.
Down but not out is DBNO. It was a core mechanic in Gears that allowed players to crawl to cover so that their allies could revive them or for the enemy to humiliate them with a brutal execution (gears form of teabagging). The removal of DBNO kills executions, the execution gametype, and guardian. Even though Halo 4 made a lot of changes it at least explained them. Epic isn’t doing that so without a defense it gives the fans the impression that it was an ignorant and mindless decision (If somebody has a link to something with the reasoning let me know so that I can be enlightened on the subject.
Is this a GoW or Halo forum? I can’t tell the difference…
Please stay on topic or I’m locking this down. Thanks.
I apologize this is related to Halo, I was using what is happening with Gears of War to try and get people to rethink their complaints and try and focus on bigger issues. Some people were confused so people explained the deal with GOWJ and some people argued that point. Trying to keep it halo here but sometimes to make people understand the point you have to explain that point.