A Quick Rant Against Ranters...

Games Halo 5: Guardians
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It’s crazy to me to see so many people constantly complaining on these forums against Halo 5 and 343, be it for update reasons, lack of content, whatever. Hear me out before you respond…

You purchased Halo 5 for the $60 price-tag, the same amount you’d pay for any other major game release right?

Here’s the difference.

You literally have, for your $60, roughly an 8-hour campaign that you can play solo or co-op online. Along with that, you have collectibles to unlock, achievements, etc.

In addition to that, to go along with that same $60 you spent, you have the online multiplayer component. I don’t know about you, but for me, my playtime entering level 69 or whatever is roughly 5 full 24-hour days of my life. So now I’ve paid $60, and have been entertained and having fun with this game for about 128 hours. And many, many of you (most I’d argue) have spent even more time than that. I’m addicted and having fun with this game, with no signs of stopping, as I’ve still got the rest of my legendary co-op run to do, several more commendations to complete, and I’m only at about 60% of all unlockables. So, plenty of more time to go.

ON TOP OF THAT… for my $60, I’m getting dedicated servers (they cost money to run folks), service in the event of them going down, and free content updates for several months AFTER the initial release… so new maps, new armor, new emblems, new assassinations, new gametypes (Grifball, Fiesta, Assault, Firefight)… and what have I paid for all of that? A one-time-only, single $60 price-tag. I’ve only gone for Silver packs as well. So since Gold is next and doubles my time to get them, I’ve probably legitimately got another 200 hours to go to spend on this game. We’ll lowball it and say I paid $60 for 200 hours of fun.

That seems like a pretty good deal to me, and here’s why.

For that same $60, you could buy 3 DVDs. Those DVDs are two-hour movies, so 6 hours in total of entertainment for the same cost.

For that same $60, you could buy Quantum Break. A game that, while it looks fun, has no guarantee of content, and is being assessed as a 10-hour campaign experience. 10 hours < 200. .05% of Halo 5’s launch playtime actually.

For $60, you could also buy three Indie titles, such as Unravel, Ori, and Rocket League. Perhaps that’d be a better use of your money since it’s more diverse. But Unravel is without question a short (still fun) game. Ori was my favorite game of last year, but is still relatively short. Haven’t tried Rocket League, sounds like a blast and it has some staying power though, so perhaps it’s a poor example for the point I’m trying to make.

My point is, you need to think twice before talking crap about 343 as a studio, Microsoft for this title, Halo 5 as a game / experience / lack of content / whatever. Because the reality is we’re all very, very, very spoiled with the cost of this title for the amount of play-time you’ve been given.

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Sorry, the only other thing I’d add is that you could come back at me with “Yeah, but I spent money on all of those stupid REQ packs, and I’m continuing to support the game that way!!”

But your argument is invalid.

Because nobody is forcing you to spend your hard-earned money on those REQ packs. That’s a decision you and you alone are making to expedite your completion of the game.

$60 gets you all of it, without any additional cost. Unless you’re going to tell me that special Arena REQ packs and the Mark V armor skin are worth $25 to you, then yeah… I guess they’re holding you ransom there!

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Just think of it this way…
there are noobs in video games, but then there are also noobs in real life, you just got to deal with them.

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Ranting about rants…rantception?

Have a funny feeling this thread will be locked in 3…2…1…

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yeah and for that $60 you could buy BO3 that has way more features at launch than this ‘Halo’ game has right now

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halo 5 isnt perfect but if anyone says its not worth $60 they are just hard to please.

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for that money I could’ve bought a game with more thought into development and Franchise as a whole.

Halo 5 is the most lacking Halo game to come out yet! its stupid to think that 6 month down the line trademarks of this Franchise are stiling missing. I mean talk about twiddling your thumbs but people want actual content and not Armour or Weapon here and there.

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> Just think of it this way…
> there are noobs in video games, but then there are also noobs in real life, you just got to deal with them.

Love it… life experience teaches you things!

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> Have a funny feeling this thread will be locked in 3…2…1…

Cracked me up… RANTCEPTION! A rant within a rant within a rant… three levels deep of rant…

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> yeah and for that $60 you could buy BO3 that has way more features at launch than this ‘Halo’ game has right now

Sure. But that doesn’t mean that Halo isn’t the same $60 value… and is certainly not worth complaining about religiously as so many people seem to do on these forums.

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> halo 5 isnt perfect but if anyone says its not worth $60 they are just hard to please.

You may absolutely hate Halo 5 - but that comes down to personal preference, because for the amount of fulfillment you get out of it staying power wise, it’s a joke to say it’s not worth that $60 value. For each $1 bill I paid for Halo, I’ve been able to enjoy the game for 2 hours. That number only goes up the longer I play. So if you don’t like it, just return it! Glad to see you agree!

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> for that money I could’ve bought a game with more thought into development and Franchise as a whole.
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Sure - that makes sense. I’ve played every mainline Halo game since the beginning, so I get it… no Infection, KOTH, Oddball… but we also have gained the best competitive experience since 2, Warzone, a far expanded-universe… so while we all have things we wish were in this title, we shouldn’t be getting on 343 for it on the forums, because that just makes us look like spoiled, whiny, ungrateful kids. It’s without question, looking at the playtime available in other $60 titles, worth every penny of that price-tag, so long as you enjoy and have fun playing the game.

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so you believe sacrificing game modes, forge and campaign all in the name for a better Halo game right?

Warzone wasn’t worth the time and effort to make this Halo game unique look at what was lost to facilitate it . When 343 are making their game they need a full scope of what their franchise is and not pander from one side to the other hoping the “newest Hottest idea” sticks.

take a loo at other developers and franchises they can keep expectations and still innovate of new idea whilst keeping to its fan base that made it what it is today.

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> halo 5 isnt perfect but if anyone says its not worth $60 they are just hard to please.

I don’t think most games are worth $60. It’s like I’m funding the development of graphics I don’t even care about instead of paying for actual game content. I find it laughable for that reason that games like Assassins Creed and games like Fallout are the same overused price. I can put hundreds of hours of gameplay into Fallout, yet I’ll only play an Assassins Creed game one time for like eight hours. Even then I’ve received a far more memorable eight hours out of various cheap indie games.

Enough about pricing though, even if I could go on and on about it. Whether Halo 5 is worth the $60 or not isn’t really relevant to whether it lives up to its predecessors or not.

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> yeah and for that $60 you could buy BO3 that has way more features at launch than this ‘Halo’ game has right now

Lol except it’s call of duty.

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Hi pot! My names kettle!

Lol sorry had to :stuck_out_tongue:

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That’s fair, I can’t really argue what you’re saying.

Personally, I miss KOTH and Oddball (never much cared for Infection, just got way too burnt out on it during the Halo 2 custom game days…)

I haven’t played in the Forge mode (different stage of life that doesn’t give me nearly enough time for that anymore), and personally, I’m in the minority who loved Halo 5’s campaign, despite it’s shortcomings (split-screen was almost a deal-breaker for me when originally considering my purchase).

Additionally, I’m not a Warzone guy, nor was I into Spartan Ops since it became pretty stale with the repeat maps. So I wouldn’t argue against your “newest hottest idea” statement. In playing devil’s advocate, I think their goal is to make the series still fresh and new, but perhaps, to your point, the best way to do that would be to release more of the same - if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it mentality. My only question is whether or not people would still buy their product at that point. Perhaps that’s the biggest reason Bungie left the franchise - any further innovation would divide the fans, and doing the same probably gets old as a developer - you want new challenges!

My main point in this “rant” is just that I get tired of all of the venom sent 343’s direction on the forums - whether you like or agree with all of Halo 5, people need to quit acting like they’re “owed” anything. What prompted this post was someone making a comment that Halo 5 is a $20 value. To which I thought - man, what an idiot, and felt inclined to say something!

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This is another fair argument in my book.

Games have progressively (as everything does in time) been inflated in their value and cost. Sometimes far too much - I miss the days of old where it didn’t take you devoting months of your life to complete a single game. The days when Donkey Kong Country was where it was at! Some of them still exist and are fun but the best games out there unfortunately tend to be a massive grind now if you want the full experience of it.

It wasn’t that long ago that games were $50, and they were great! To your point, it largely seems (outside of the power of the cloud) that graphics tend to be the biggest focus and where most of your money, paying for development, is going to relative to what games used to cost. In some cases I’m good with it - give me photo-realistic NBA 2K basketball games where I feel like I’m actually playing the game on TV. In most cases, who cares about 1080P, framerate, etc.? Halo 3 was amazing, and it had no such thing.

As for your comment about whether or not it doesn’t ultimately matter, what matters is if it lived up to it’s predecessors… makes sense. To me, it’s the most fun I’ve had with a Halo game since 2 online… though 3 was my favorite overall entry into the franchise.

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It’s the forum culture though, people don’t complain like this on other halo community sites. Check out r/halo and it’s mostly cool things like clips or custom games or general gameplay discussions. Complaining doesn’t get attention on other sites and moderators aren’t so fast to ban people. As a result this becomes the place to vent and other places become places of sharing content and actual discussion. But if you want your grievence to be seen then this is the only official place.

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You are complaining about complainers.

That makes you one of the people you’re complaining about.