Lemme put things into context first. So, once upon a time, I was one of the people who thought Halo 3 was the best Halo multiplayer (As of right now, prior to Halo 5’s release, I still think that) and that things like sprint were doing nothing good for Halo and that we were better off without them. I was skeptical of Halo 5’s direction and was concerned about where 343 would go after making a Halo that was trying to much to be other FPS. (Halo 4)
But then I heard about the changes they were making, and the bad features they were taking out. Then I played the Beta. And then I saw how they responded to our complaints and I took part in all their surveys. Now I have so much hope for Halo 5, and for the first time I am welcoming sprint into a Halo game with open arms after the change they made to it. A change that can satisfy those who like sprint in Halo, while balancing it and punishing players for doing it too much, in order to satisfy the needs of the competitive players who had an issue with sprint’s brokenness. So now I feel the need to reach out to the group of Halo fans whose group I used to be a part of. What continues to discourage you? What parts of Halo 5 still hold you back from being excited for it? More specifically, what would you change or remove that 343 hasn’t already tried to improve for the better?
I made this video recently, in order to shine some light on why we should be excited for Halo 5, but also acknowledge the left out features in Halo 5 and explaining my thoughts on why these things happened. Looking back I wish I’d rephrased a couple of my statements, but there’s plenty of time to make up for that in future videos. And then I recently came across this video. A person expressing some of the feelings I used to have about Halo. The reason I bring this up is because he brought up something both strange and interesting. Quoting him exactly: “What I want, is what many people want, is a halo game that innovates in something other than gameplay”
What are your thoughts on this, people who are still unhappy with Halo 5. Do you agree? Should halo keep its gameplay the same while only changing other things? Would that be an ideal Halo 5? While I disagree quite a bit with that statement, It made me want to get some more opinions on the matter. Take note that my intention is not to have people pick sides or hate on one opinion or another. But me and this guy are both relatively new, low-sub-count channels coming from opposite sides of the community when it comes to Halo 5, and I thought maybe the contrasting opinions were worth making a topic about. Plus, he was overall fairly respectful about his opinions. You know, aside from calling 343 a tad delusional. But like I said, I was once in that boat, so its only right that everyone’s opinions get the respect they deserve.
“Halo needs to evolve” “The surest way they (343) could fail is to look backwards. You can’t walk forward looking backwards. You’re gonna fall every time. They need to make a big bet.”
Words from former member of Bungie who worked on Bungie’s Halo games from the beginning. From the interview done by game informer. Go to this link for proof. The following couple minutes are Bungie veteran’s opinions and recommendations to 343 going forward. They even talk about how they understand cutting splitscreen and why it needed to happen, if you look a little earlier in the interview.
Changes to gameplay aren’t inherently bad. They just have to actually fit the game. Most people don’t care about vehicle boarding being in the game for example.
I could go in-depth here but busy at the moment. Right now my main complaint would probably be the aesthetic direction of the game. 343I feels the need to redesign everything for no reason.
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I think Halos biggest problem is segmentation. We have so many cliques and groups that love something specific about halo. We have those that love the Canon and the story line above all else, casual gamers that love sprint, competitive gamers that hate sprint, Reach fans, Reach haters, loadout fans, loadout haters, dual wield fans, etc. Everyone wants halo 5 to be more like their favorite halo game, but the community is so split that means so many different things. I really think it’s impossible to get the community United anymore. It’s like, if 343i made the game that other YouTuber wants, the fans of Reach/H4 would be making videos about how halo was removing features like sprint and ground pound. Not everyone can be made happy, so 343i is making the game they want to make. I have to respect that. It’s ballsy and they’ve stated very plainly that is what they’re doing and if you don’t like it, feel free to use your consumer awareness and just don’t buy the game.
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> I think Halos biggest problem is segmentation. We have so many cliques and groups that love something specific about halo. We have those that love the Canon and the story line above all else, casual gamers that love sprint, competitive gamers that hate sprint, Reach fans, Reach haters, loadout fans, loadout haters, dual wield fans, etc. Everyone wants halo 5 to be more like their favorite halo game, but the community is so split that means so many different things. I really think it’s impossible to get the community United anymore. It’s like, if 343i made the game that other YouTuber wants, the fans of Reach/H4 would be making videos about how halo was removing features like sprint and ground pound. Not everyone can be made happy, so 343i is making the game they want to make. I have to respect that. It’s ballsy and they’ve stated very plainly that is what they’re doing and if you don’t like it, feel free to use your consumer awareness and just don’t buy the game.
I do believe Josh Holmes said something along the lines of “If you dont like what we are buying, dont buy the game. We dont want people playing something they dont want to play”. In any case, that second video gave me cancer. That guy was more complaining than actual explaining
Great post, I’m in the same boat as you. I’ve come around, they’ve really listened. Interested to hear peoples responses. I’ve recently managed to convince my other Halo 2/3 diehard buddies that H5 is going to be great (complete turnaround from their abject disgust at the concept).
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> > I think Halos biggest problem is segmentation. We have so many cliques and groups that love something specific about halo. We have those that love the Canon and the story line above all else, casual gamers that love sprint, competitive gamers that hate sprint, Reach fans, Reach haters, loadout fans, loadout haters, dual wield fans, etc. Everyone wants halo 5 to be more like their favorite halo game, but the community is so split that means so many different things. I really think it’s impossible to get the community United anymore. It’s like, if 343i made the game that other YouTuber wants, the fans of Reach/H4 would be making videos about how halo was removing features like sprint and ground pound. Not everyone can be made happy, so 343i is making the game they want to make. I have to respect that. It’s ballsy and they’ve stated very plainly that is what they’re doing and if you don’t like it, feel free to use your consumer awareness and just don’t buy the game.
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Exactly. Nothing stays the same forever. And if it takes a turn hat no longer fits your style, then that might be the point at which you leave. It never hurts to voice concern and distaste. The devs need that. But 343 has obviously been sorting through this stuff for years now. They’ve made their decisions based on what they think is best. Good on bungie employees for encouraging 343 to forge their own path. Its a shame that those interviews have been seen by so few. Likely because the big youtubers like ReadyUpLive and HaloFollower haven’t talked about it. I wish they would.
I’ll lose all the faith in 343 that I have, though I am too loyal and into the story to stop buying Halo games, but only the standard edition. I’ll also probably do a lot of ranting and complaining here, if I don’t leave. Although I highly doubt Halo 5 will have such big issues. Its just too critical they get this right, and all the teasers and demos look pretty promising.
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> I’ll have lost all faith in 343 I have, though I am too loyal and into the story to stop buying Halo games, but only the standard edition. I’ll also probably do a lot of ranting and complaining here, if I don’t leave. Although I highly doubt Halo 5 will have such big issues. Its just too critical they get this right, and all the teasers and demos look pretty promising.
As long as you’re open to seeing where Halo goes. That’s what matters most.
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> I’ll have lost all faith in 343 I have, though I am too loyal and into the story to stop buying Halo games, but only the standard edition. I’ll also probably do a lot of ranting and complaining here, if I don’t leave. Although I highly doubt Halo 5 will have such big issues. Its just too critical they get this right, and all the teasers and demos look pretty promising.
I don’t really care if 343I has Bungie’s blessing or not. Has no relevance to how I feel about the games themselves, and Bungie isn’t exactly angelic either.
> I think Halos biggest problem is segmentation.
This is the end result of a franchise whose “strength” is every title being significantly different from the last. People hop in and out of the franchise at different times and they all expect wildly different things.
> Everyone wants halo 5 to be more like their favorite halo game
Yes, but if I used that mentality when judging modern Halo games the bar would be too high for any of them to reach.
My ideal Halo isn’t the same as what I would consider an acceptable or good Halo.
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> > I’ll have lost all faith in 343 I have, though I am too loyal and into the story to stop buying Halo games, but only the standard edition. I’ll also probably do a lot of ranting and complaining here, if I don’t leave. Although I highly doubt Halo 5 will have such big issues. Its just too critical they get this right, and all the teasers and demos look pretty promising.
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How?
EDIT: I Will Have lost, not I Have lost. If Halo 5 is a fail than I will lose faith in 343.
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He’s saying that while he doesn’t have much faith in 343 as Devs, he still thinks Halo 5 will turn out pretty good. A little contradictory if you want to get literal here, but it works.
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I meant to bold the whole phrase.
“I’ll have lost all faith in 343 I have,”
This is the part where I got confused, since there’s no period or comma after 343, it seemed that the phrase continued to “…I have,” So it read like you have lost faith.
My greatest issue with Halo 5 is the movement system. Particularly, Clamber is doing a great disservice to depth of movement. Movement, in a broad sense, has always been my favorite part of Halo. The past games have largely left it untouched aside from the addition of sprint, and some armor abilities which aren’t default traits. Now that 343i are doing something with it, I have mixed feelings. On one hand, since Evade I’ve thought such an ability has potential, so Thruster Pack is at least a step in the right direction. On the other hand, Clamber is helping all players, and I really don’t like that.
Did Clamber not exist, I could possibly find Halo 5 reasonably enjoyable. Right now, however, my favorite aspect of Halo’s gameplay has taken a hit, and I don’t like it.
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> My greatest issue with Halo 5 is the movement system. Particularly, Clamber is doing a great disservice to depth of movement. Movement, in a broad sense, has always been my favorite part of Halo. The past games have largely left it untouched aside from the addition of sprint, and some armor abilities which aren’t default traits. Now that 343i are doing something with it, I have mixed feelings. On one hand, since Evade I’ve thought such an ability has potential, so Thruster Pack is at least a step in the right direction. On the other hand, Clamber is handicapping all players, and I really don’t like that.
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I don’t know IMO I like the new movement, it seems to have catered alot to halos vertical combat as well which is so unique in video games these days. Neither titantfall, or cod can replicate this as you must need ADS at all times where as SS is not mandatory by any means. But to your point on clamber I’ll agree. I’m not a huge fan of it, but I barley notice it. Maybe I’m not used to it after halo 4 having almost no skill jumps? Dunno. Basing all of Halo 5’s movement on clamber and claiming it that’s the reason it’s terrible (that’s the tone I got from your post my apologies if I’m putting words in your mouth) seems to be a pretty terrible reason for not like Halo 5 as a whole.
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> > I think Halos biggest problem is segmentation. We have so many cliques and groups that love something specific about halo. We have those that love the Canon and the story line above all else, casual gamers that love sprint, competitive gamers that hate sprint, Reach fans, Reach haters, loadout fans, loadout haters, dual wield fans, etc. Everyone wants halo 5 to be more like their favorite halo game, but the community is so split that means so many different things. I really think it’s impossible to get the community United anymore. It’s like, if 343i made the game that other YouTuber wants, the fans of Reach/H4 would be making videos about how halo was removing features like sprint and ground pound. Not everyone can be made happy, so 343i is making the game they want to make. I have to respect that. It’s ballsy and they’ve stated very plainly that is what they’re doing and if you don’t like it, feel free to use your consumer awareness and just don’t buy the game.
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whats up with people using diseases as an insult? It’s good to see peolpe stop using “gay” as an insult but can’t you come up with something more intelligent, something that does not make you look like a 3rd grader who wants to look cool infront of the other kids?
About the video, well what did you not understand? Maybe someone around here can help you, but you have to ask questions, swearing won’t help anybody…
Coming to the initial question, about why I’m still unhappy with H5:
change of gameplay-flow, I don’t like how you have to lower your weapon to do all those moventthings, I will probably just avoid doing anything like sprint,clamber unless it is 100% necessary
change in design, and this is a real big one, 343’s design has not much in common with Bungies design. Everthing is over the top, overdesignd, cluttered or simply not a good design (Spartan/Covi armor, BR/snipe/new rockets/new marines/shotty, human architecture, forerunner architecture and the list continues…) (IMO)
lacking integral features that made Halo what it is today (-> split-screen)
That said, I don’t think I will ever see a good Halo game again and I’m somehow starting to find peace with this fact, I will still buy Guardians at some time (maybe even at release if they show some good Arena improvements at gamescon) but I’ll see it as a new franchise that is loosely based on the game-series that I enjoyed so much
I completly dont like the art style.
The armour looks more like Power Rangers, not spartans. A lot of the pieces on the map look too plastic like.
I find the sound and looks of the weapons and vehicles awful. (Change for the sake of change like said above)
I would want sprint to go, but I can adapt to its playstyle.
I can live with Ground Pound and Thrusters. Clamber on the other hand is just awful and I think the game would be better if they just remove it.
I will buy it, but Im just not hyped at all. Mainly because Im still very very salty about MCC and how they handle it.
At least its the first time Im really interested about the story. Thats something.