A moment of your time, Community.

Games Other Halo
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I’ve played Halo since the beginning, back during Halo: Combat Evolved and beyond, and so, that makes my opinion that much more valid…

…you ever get an intro like this every once in a while? Especially from multiple whining or crying threads that continually bring up the same points? ‘Halo 4 is gonna fail!’ or ‘Halo is doomed’ or better yet ‘Bring back 1-50 rank system!!’, or the best of all ‘It’s turning into Call of Duty!!’

Welcome to something I like to call the ‘I’m gonna -Yoink- and whine about what I want to come back to Halo, and/or want Halo to be like because I like it that way and since a couple others agree, that makes the whole community as a whole agree with me, and/or Halo is failing, dying, or turning into the game I hate most’ syndrome. (long name, I know, but bear with me through this.)

No offense, I’m sure many of you are just passionate fan’s like myself who love Halo for what it is, but I think that’s where a lot of us begin to separate ourselves from one another. What exactly makes Halo, Halo? For many of you passionate fan’s, it’s the multiplayer, being able to T-bag, trolling others, getting that amazing stick or snipe, or just plain trash talking others around the world and threatening to take your little friend below to their mother’s (or other female…or male O_e…based family member’s)respective hole.

For other passionate fan’s, it’s the Master Chief, and his good buddy Arby, that the story is created around, and what trails we go through with them as characters and seeing what happens to them next, fighting through it all with them. Truly, each of us have our own passion for Halo, and show it in our own way. But frankly, I think you all forgot what Halo was really about in the end.

And sure, you can bash me, make fun of me, try to fight me, or just plain ignore me for all I care, and even say this is just my opinion. And while you may be in your right in your own way, I am right in mine by being able to post and say this.

Halo isn’t the multiplayer, nor the 1-50 ranking system, or even the Master Chief…Halo is a ring both in name and description, and that is a ring that represents our community. Halo is about LAN parties with friends, eating pizza, chugging soda, and just kicking -Yoink- with each other for the hell of it. Halo is the company that created it (both Bungie and 343i), and how they interact with their many fans and followers. Halo is getting your friends together and running LASO on any and all of the Halo games just because you can.

Halo is fun, friend’s, all the inbetween.

Your Halo can be the Multiplayer, and Your Halo can be the campaign. My Halo is my friend’s, my clan, people I meet randomly, learning more about the universe of the series, getting hyped with the news, etc. Now, I’m not saying my opinion or my Halo is better, nor is it worse. Our Halo’s are all equal in that aspect because that’s the ring we represent that make a true Halo. Halo is ALL OF US!

If you think it’s like Cod, maybe you’ve been playing too much of it lately? If you believe Halo is dying or is dead, well, it was nice knowing that you were apart of the community once. If you want 1-50 ranking structure, then by all means, stay in the past and continue to play Halo 3, it’s still there and it’s still got servers.

But time stand’s still for no man, and neither do idea’s, art, and innovation.

If you think Halo 4’s new implementations are crap and make it NOT Halo, then I have MLG players and other athletic gaming gentlemen (and women) who HAVE played it and disagree with your statement. Further, who are you to judge something you haven’t actually tried, or played, or even utilized?

Halo 4 is different, yes, but it’s still Halo, it’s still us, it’s still Chief, it’s still Cortana, it’s still an FPS, and it’s still our beloved t-bagging, crap-talking, butt-kicking, nade-sticking, armor customizing, map forging game that is Halo.

So, how about we stop the whining, the crying, the -Yoinking!-, the moaning and just enjoy when Halo 4 comes out? (Because I know I will enjoy writing down each and every gamertag of every person who trolls or whines or -Yoinks!- about/on it and give them a good ol’ stickey to the crotch and a t-bag to the face as my welcome mat for them, to make sure they feel right at home in the Halo they know and love)

Your pal, friend, and possible future t-bagger and/or betrayer;
Shadow Wolf. ;3

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A couple views and no replies? Could it be that I actually hit the nail with this and not ONE person want’s to disagree?

Holy hallelujah, we may yet redeem this community and come together again!! =D

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zzzzzzzzz Sorry was falling asleep reading it

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> zzzzzzzzz Sorry was falling asleep reading it

Ah, a troll appears, knew it wouldn’t be too much longer till one of you appeared…well, like Spiderman always says:‘Everybody get’s one.’

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> A couple views and no replies? Could it be that I actually hit the nail with this and not ONE person want’s to disagree?
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> Holy hallelujah, we may yet redeem this community and come together again!! =D

It’s late, but if you posted this earlier in the day, you would have gotten haters and what not.

However, i will disagree with you on that there are us that are not fear mongering dolts who make the generic hate threads. There are a few issues with Halo 4 that i am not entirely on board with (instant respawning, camo/derp packs coming back on spawn). You can’t say that some of us don’t have a right to criticize a product (however finished or not) just because it’s viewed as “negative”.

However, unlike the pure hate threads, there is not much even the most hardcore or casual player can do to change the way 343 is developing Halo 4 and despite my concerns, i am on board really because these new changes might actually be good for Halo once i took the time to see it from different perspectives.

I think the problem is in the community that many just don’t want another Reach clone and would prefer more rehashing instead of progress because Bungie mucked a lot of things up with the ideas behind Reach. However, this leads to my following point below.

Recently, a friend told me to look at it this way (in fact he told me today while i was playing Halo 3). It’s good Reach happened first because now 343 can look what worked and didn’t work so that Halo 4 and on would be a much better product. If it wasn’t Reach, it would have been Halo 4 or some another game that pissed everyone off.

Thank you for making this post Wolf, it was a good read.

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> > A couple views and no replies? Could it be that I actually hit the nail with this and not ONE person want’s to disagree?
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> > Holy hallelujah, we may yet redeem this community and come together again!! =D
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> It’s late, but if you posted this earlier in the day, you would have gotten haters and what not.
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> However, i will disagree with you on that there are us that are not fear mongering dolts who make the generic hate threads. There are a few issues with Halo 4 that i am not entirely on board with (instant respawning, camo/derp packs coming back on spawn). You can’t say that some of us don’t have a right to criticize a product (however finished) just because it’s viewed as “negative”.
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> However, unlike the pure hate threads, there is not much even the most hardcore or casual player can do to change the way 343 is developing Halo 4 and despite my concerns, i am on board really because these new changes might actually be good for Halo once i took the time to see it from different perspectives.
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> I think the problem is in the community that many just don’t want another Reach clone and would prefer more rehashing instead of progress because Bungie mucked a lot of things up with the ideas behind Reach.
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> Recently, a friend told me to look at it this way (in fact he told me today while i was playing Halo 3). It’s good Reach happened first because now 343 can look what worked and didn’t work so that Halo 4 and on would be a much better product. If it wasn’t Reach, it would have been Halo 4 or some another game that pissed everyone off.

Yes, I remember that post(or possibly one like it), wise word’s indeed. Truly, I can understand fear’s and misconceptions, however, to allow your fears and misconceptions to take hold of you and make you blatantly hate the game as a whole, hate the series as a whole after all you experienced is just plain lunacy. Which is why trying the game will truly show if you like it or not.

I like your friend, for he has some wise words indeed.

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> > > A couple views and no replies? Could it be that I actually hit the nail with this and not ONE person want’s to disagree?
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> > > Holy hallelujah, we may yet redeem this community and come together again!! =D
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> > It’s late, but if you posted this earlier in the day, you would have gotten haters and what not.
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> > However, i will disagree with you on that there are us that are not fear mongering dolts who make the generic hate threads. There are a few issues with Halo 4 that i am not entirely on board with (instant respawning, camo/derp packs coming back on spawn). You can’t say that some of us don’t have a right to criticize a product (however finished) just because it’s viewed as “negative”.
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> > However, unlike the pure hate threads, there is not much even the most hardcore or casual player can do to change the way 343 is developing Halo 4 and despite my concerns, i am on board really because these new changes might actually be good for Halo once i took the time to see it from different perspectives.
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> > I think the problem is in the community that many just don’t want another Reach clone and would prefer more rehashing instead of progress because Bungie mucked a lot of things up with the ideas behind Reach.
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> > Recently, a friend told me to look at it this way (in fact he told me today while i was playing Halo 3). It’s good Reach happened first because now 343 can look what worked and didn’t work so that Halo 4 and on would be a much better product. If it wasn’t Reach, it would have been Halo 4 or some another game that pissed everyone off.
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> Yes, I remember that post(or possibly one like it), wise word’s indeed. Truly, I can understand fear’s and misconceptions, however, to allow your fears and misconceptions to take hold of you and make you blatantly hate the game as a whole, hate the series as a whole after all you experienced is just plain lunacy. Which is why trying the game will truly show if you like it or not.
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> I like your friend, for he has some wise words indeed.

It’s just that Halo fanbase (like any other good community) is passionate and loud. Despite the negativity and bad stuff that happens to fester in threads, you can take pride in that people still care about Halo…and to see that positive threads like these still have a place here.

I am exactly not the most known or liked person on these forums because I’ve done my fair share of flaming, trolling ,(the funny kind) and harsh criticisms of Reach (and what not). Still i love Halo and i don’t believe that’s going to change with Halo 4. Most of these users who bash Halo 4 are buying it in one way or another. Even renting means that players that are skeptic are going to at least try out.

You seem like a cool guy, so if you want to play any Halo, send a friend request my way :).

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> > zzzzzzzzz Sorry was falling asleep reading it
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> Ah, a troll appears, knew it wouldn’t be too much longer till one of you appeared…well, like Spiderman always says:‘Everybody get’s one.’

Sorry man i’m no troll cant wait for halo 4 but just getting tired of theses threads.
Halo 4 forums is full of them it’s suppose to be other aspects of the game but more people seem more interested in flaming each other over who’s opinion matters most as they tho it matters in the millions that will buy the game.
I just want halo 4 and I’m in here to see what people’s Ideas of the campaign will be and where the story might go. Multiplayer is an extra for me always has been 343i can do what ever they want to keep halo numbers up in multiplayer if it means they’ll keep making the campaigns

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Halo 4 sounds more like Reach 2 at this point than it does a direct line from Halo 3. It is a fact that had Bungie backed out at ODST and Reach never came out, there would not be all the things that people are complaining about already in the next game. I personally will never forgive Bungie for killing Halo (or maiming it so horribly that it’s community is reduced to a bunch of bickering idiots filling one of two stereotypes; the guy who whines about the game, and you, the guy who says this is why you shouldn’t whine). But because of what they did, because some fraction of the remaining population actually enjoys vanilla Reach, these ideas and concepts are being carried over into the next game. Once again we have an issue where a developer is trying to appeal to the entirety of it’s fan base in one game. Bungie did this with Reach and all you have to do is just look at this website to see it’s true impact. 343 should at this point be more like Infinity Ward or Treyarch in the sense that they don’t really care about the 1% who want drastic changes and instead produce a product based on a previous major success. If there was no Reach, there would be no loadouts or amor abilities or perks in Halo 4. You wouldn’t have people complaining that Halo is becoming Call of Duty because it would still be Halo. I don’t really care though, I’m more excited about Black Ops II at this point than I am Halo 4. I’m still going to get the limited edition of the game at midnight launch and what not but this whole experience that I’ve had over the last two years with Reach and all my friends renouncing it and all the subsequent bull–Yoink- arguments I have had with people here and on Xbox about Halo in general as really left a bad taste in my mouth. Crysis is my new Halo. But I have to wait until spring 2013 for that, so I’ll be playing a lot of COD and H4 until then. All the while attempting to spend as little time here as possible. Nobody reads each others comments and the same response get posted ad nauseum and every week or so someone like you stands on top of a milk crate and tries to motivate the crowd into seeing your point of view. Well I’m not moved, but you won’t find me -Yoinking!- on here very often. It’s not like anyone will read what I post anyway

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Im worried for Halo 4 but not because of the changes but because of the possibility of the xbox 360 getting banned in the US and how that may affect 343 and their decisions with halo 4.

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> Halo 4 sounds more like Reach 2 at this point than it does a direct line from Halo 3. It is a fact that had Bungie backed out at ODST and Reach never came out, there would not be all the things that people are complaining about already in the next game. I personally will never forgive Bungie for killing Halo (or maiming it so horribly that it’s community is reduced to a bunch of bickering idiots filling one of two stereotypes; the guy who whines about the game, and you, the guy who says this is why you shouldn’t whine). But because of what they did, because some fraction of the remaining population actually enjoys vanilla Reach, these ideas and concepts are being carried over into the next game. Once again we have an issue where a developer is trying to appeal to the entirety of it’s fan base in one game. Bungie did this with Reach and all you have to do is just look at this website to see it’s true impact. 343 should at this point be more like Infinity Ward or Treyarch in the sense that they don’t really care about the 1% who want drastic changes and instead produce a product based on a previous major success. If there was no Reach, there would be no loadouts or amor abilities or perks in Halo 4. You wouldn’t have people complaining that Halo is becoming Call of Duty because it would still be Halo. I don’t really care though, I’m more excited about Black Ops II at this point than I am Halo 4. I’m still going to get the limited edition of the game at midnight launch and what not but this whole experience that I’ve had over the last two years with Reach and all my friends renouncing it and all the subsequent bull-Yoink! arguments I have had with people here and on Xbox about Halo in general as really left a bad taste in my mouth. Crysis is my new Halo. But I have to wait until spring 2013 for that, so I’ll be playing a lot of COD and H4 until then. All the while attempting to spend as little time here as possible. Nobody reads each others comments and the same response get posted ad nauseum and every week or so someone like you stands on top of a milk crate and tries to motivate the crowd into seeing your point of view. Well I’m not moved, but you won’t find me -Yoinking!- on here very often. It’s not like anyone will read what I post anyway

I read what you posted, and I care what you have to say, it’s why I make topics like these, so that I can listen to the community. But at the same time, showing such negativity only fuels and fans the flames of those who hate it so that more fans can leave and go over to CoD or just get under their skin.

Kill em with indifference or kindness, my friend, it’s all you can do.

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> Im worried for Halo 4 but not because of the changes but because of the possibility of the xbox 360 getting banned in the US and how that may affect 343 and their decisions with halo 4.

Well, actually, it’s a ruling of stopping sales of the slim XBOX 360’s, or rather, stopping sales of them selling it. To those of us who still have Xbox’s, we won’t be affected.

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> > Im worried for Halo 4 but not because of the changes but because of the possibility of the xbox 360 getting banned in the US and how that may affect 343 and their decisions with halo 4.
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> Well, actually, it’s a ruling of stopping sales of the slim XBOX 360’s, or rather, stopping sales of them selling it. To those of us who still have Xbox’s, we won’t be affected.

Yes but why would game developers still develop games for the 360 in the states if it would be limited to who ever still owns a 360, also what if your a unfornate soul whos xbox gets the red ring or break down for whatever reason. I also would not see any reason for Microsoft to continue to support xbox live in the states if they can no long profit off the xbox in the states.

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I play Halo because it’s Halo. Not because of “OMG THESE ARE THE BESTEST SHOOTING MECHANICS EVUR”… no… because Halo is the game I was brought up on. This is the game my friends were brought up on.

Do my friends and I gather onto a couch, and whine about every little thing this game or that game has wrong with it? No. We just play the game. And when the time comes, I shall just play Halo 4. With my friends. On a couch. With pizza. Sweet, sweet pizza.

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PREACH,OP, PREACH!

Being serious, I think that you are right about Halo being about community and friends, but it’s also about the story and Lore, and the multiplayer. In my opinion, no real single factor defines the Halo series, they’re all of equal important, or varying import to different people. In my opinion, a game that has several different ways of viewing it is a milestone game, that is difficult to surpass even as COD rises higher and higher with each unimaginative release (well, apart from MW3 campaign, we have to concede that was pretty good!).

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> Halo 4 sounds more like Reach 2 at this point than it does a direct line from Halo 3. It is a fact that had Bungie backed out at ODST and Reach never came out, there would not be all the things that people are complaining about already in the next game. I personally will never forgive Bungie for killing Halo (or maiming it so horribly that it’s community is reduced to a bunch of bickering idiots filling one of two stereotypes; the guy who whines about the game, and you, the guy who says this is why you shouldn’t whine). But because of what they did, because some fraction of the remaining population actually enjoys vanilla Reach, these ideas and concepts are being carried over into the next game. Once again we have an issue where a developer is trying to appeal to the entirety of it’s fan base in one game. Bungie did this with Reach and all you have to do is just look at this website to see it’s true impact. 343 should at this point be more like Infinity Ward or Treyarch in the sense that they don’t really care about the 1% who want drastic changes and instead produce a product based on a previous major success. If there was no Reach, there would be no loadouts or amor abilities or perks in Halo 4. You wouldn’t have people complaining that Halo is becoming Call of Duty because it would still be Halo. I don’t really care though, I’m more excited about Black Ops II at this point than I am Halo 4. I’m still going to get the limited edition of the game at midnight launch and what not but this whole experience that I’ve had over the last two years with Reach and all my friends renouncing it and all the subsequent bull-Yoink! arguments I have had with people here and on Xbox about Halo in general as really left a bad taste in my mouth. Crysis is my new Halo. But I have to wait until spring 2013 for that, so I’ll be playing a lot of COD and H4 until then. All the while attempting to spend as little time here as possible. Nobody reads each others comments and the same response get posted ad nauseum and every week or so someone like you stands on top of a milk crate and tries to motivate the crowd into seeing your point of view. Well I’m not moved, but you won’t find me -Yoinking!- on here very often. It’s not like anyone will read what I post anyway

I agree…

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Good read. I’m fine with a lot of things. However, when a problem arises which I feel needs to be addressed, I address it with every point, advantage, disadvantage, my point of view, and examples.

At least the discussion is between good, nice, clever people.

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Mostly opinion.

But I do agree with those annoying Intros. I CAN’T STAND people who open their posts with: “I’ve been playing Halo for 10 years now since CE blah blah blah blah.”

What do you want? A cookie?

When writing an argument/essay, it should be short, sweet and to the point. Don’t fluff it up with personal details, which you could have made up on the spot for all we know.

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> zzzzzzzzz Sorry was falling asleep reading it

A wild Troll appears!

Spearhead used “Shut up…”

It’s super effective!

And yes…I’m very tired of seeing threads how you describe them.

They seem to think, huh, I’ve played Halo for years so that instantly makes my opinion more valid…no…just shut up and get to the damn point.

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Halo 4 will be amazing, just watch the gameplay [here]. No amount of trolling will change that. Even if you don’t like Reach as much as Halo 2, it’s still better than 99% of games on the market.