Look at this Halo mod below for Arma 3 and tell me this wouldn’t be an awesome idea for an official Halo game based on the Insurrection. It doesn’t have to be open world, but a massive 64-100 player Halo game based on the war that led to the Spartan program would be a welcome change of pace for the franchise. It will be the UNSC vs Insurrectionists. I can see a very good campaign mode out of it as well where the main character is Sergeant Avery Johnson, focusing on his involvement in the Orion Project where the Spartan program began.
Operation: TREBUCHET | Cinematic Trailer":
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Microsoft isn’t going to make a game about the insurrection as it paints the UNSC in a bad light. The UNSC in a civil war ends up being the Empire from Star Wars , or The Alliance from Firefly. A huge bureaucratic war machine crushing outer colonies simply for wanting to self govern , generally doesn’t make for an heroic story. I’m not saying the insurrectionists were completely innocent , but the views of free people rarely coincide with world controlling governments.
The last thing Microsoft wants is to make the whole UNSC look like Britain trying to control the US colonies , or the US Army crushing the Native Americans. That is specifically why Bungie created O.N.I. ; so the good guys can be the good guys , while their is also an air of not quite trusting the ones handing down the orders.
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> Microsoft isn’t going to make a game about the insurrection as it paints the UNSC in a bad light. The UNSC in a civil war ends up being the Empire from Star Wars , or The Alliance from Firefly. A huge bureaucratic war machine crushing outer colonies simply for wanting to self govern , generally doesn’t make for an heroic story. I’m not saying the insurrectionists were completely innocent , but the views of free people rarely coincide with world controlling governments.
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> The last thing Microsoft wants is to make the whole UNSC look like Britain trying to control the US colonies , or the US Army crushing the Native Americans. That is specifically why Bungie created O.N.I. ; so the good guys can be the good guys , while their is also an air of not quite trusting the ones handing down the orders.
Interesting perspective. But you have to remember the movies overly paint the empire as the bad guys on purpose. Darth Vader and the emperor in Star Wars is what ONI is too halo. Just depends on how you look at it I guess.
Back on on topic, I think an insurrection war game would be awesome. And is something I see time and time again people asking for. I personally don’t see them doing it though except for a dlc possibly.
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> Microsoft isn’t going to make a game about the insurrection as it paints the UNSC in a bad light. The UNSC in a civil war ends up being the Empire from Star Wars , or The Alliance from Firefly. A huge bureaucratic war machine crushing outer colonies simply for wanting to self govern , generally doesn’t make for an heroic story. I’m not saying the insurrectionists were completely innocent , but the views of free people rarely coincide with world controlling governments.
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> The last thing Microsoft wants is to make the whole UNSC look like Britain trying to control the US colonies , or the US Army crushing the Native Americans. That is specifically why Bungie created O.N.I. ; so the good guys can be the good guys , while their is also an air of not quite trusting the ones handing down the orders.
But then why would they green light official canon that clearly says and shows the UNSC as being bad? Bit of a spoiler here, but Mortal Dictata starts off by saying something along the lines of, “Terrorists are bad guys as viewed from a specific perspective.” The entire book nudges you to at least feel a bit of sympathy for the guy. Pretty raunchy in my mind. It’s also possible for them to create a game about The Insurrection without painting the UNSC in a bad light since the Innies did some pretty awful things themselves.
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> > Microsoft isn’t going to make a game about the insurrection as it paints the UNSC in a bad light. The UNSC in a civil war ends up being the Empire from Star Wars , or The Alliance from Firefly. A huge bureaucratic war machine crushing outer colonies simply for wanting to self govern , generally doesn’t make for an heroic story. I’m not saying the insurrectionists were completely innocent , but the views of free people rarely coincide with world controlling governments.
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> > The last thing Microsoft wants is to make the whole UNSC look like Britain trying to control the US colonies , or the US Army crushing the Native Americans. That is specifically why Bungie created O.N.I. ; so the good guys can be the good guys , while their is also an air of not quite trusting the ones handing down the orders.
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> But then why would they green light official canon that clearly says and shows the UNSC as being bad? Bit of a spoiler here, but Mortal Dictata starts off by saying something along the lines of, “Terrorists are bad guys as viewed from a specific perspective.” The entire book nudges you to at least feel a bit of sympathy for the guy. Pretty raunchy in my mind. It’s also possible for them to create a game about The Insurrection without painting the UNSC in a bad light since the Innies did some pretty awful things themselves.
I understand , But how closely have we studied the motivations of the Innies , we truly don’t know why The Insurrection was being fought , but I can bet it wasn’t because the U.N.S.C. wanted to “make better worlds”. Very few people become Frontiersmen (or women) because they like living a hard life , most do it because it means less Governance and more Freedom.
And writing a book that maybe 10% of the community will read (generally the “more educated and less likely to be offended by the story” side of the community) , is very different from giving the community en mass a very visual representation of just how nasty O.N.I. and The U.N.S.C. , (maybe people in general?) can be.
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> > Microsoft isn’t going to make a game about the insurrection as it paints the UNSC in a bad light. The UNSC in a civil war ends up being the Empire from Star Wars , or The Alliance from Firefly. A huge bureaucratic war machine crushing outer colonies simply for wanting to self govern , generally doesn’t make for an heroic story. I’m not saying the insurrectionists were completely innocent , but the views of free people rarely coincide with world controlling governments.
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> > The last thing Microsoft wants is to make the whole UNSC look like Britain trying to control the US colonies , or the US Army crushing the Native Americans. That is specifically why Bungie created O.N.I. ; so the good guys can be the good guys , while their is also an air of not quite trusting the ones handing down the orders.
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> Interesting perspective. But you have to remember the movies overly paint the empire as the bad guys on purpose. Darth Vader and the emperor in Star Wars is what ONI is too halo. Just depends on how you look at it I guess.
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> Back on on topic, I think an insurrection war game would be awesome. And is something I see time and time again people asking for. I personally don’t see them doing it though except for a dlc possibly.
If you look at what they did , they (Well,… Vader at least) may have started with the best of intentions , but once you start funneling all technology to the military (to the detriment of all other citizens) , subjugating all Non human species , and wiping out dissenting opinion , it doesn’t take a very large lens to see which side of history you are going to land on. (Speaking specifically of the Empire , obviously)
I’d love to have a game that portrays the UNSC’s fight against the Insurrectionists. I imagine it would have a lot of potential for stealth-based gameplay and covert ops missions.
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> Microsoft isn’t going to make a game about the insurrection as it paints the UNSC in a bad light. The UNSC in a civil war ends up being the Empire from Star Wars , or The Alliance from Firefly. A huge bureaucratic war machine crushing outer colonies simply for wanting to self govern , generally doesn’t make for an heroic story. I’m not saying the insurrectionists were completely innocent , but the views of free people rarely coincide with world controlling governments.
Not every civil war scenario is like that. Just because there are rebellious underdogs involved, doesn’t mean the large, “empire” faction is evil and the rebels are automatically the good guys who “fight for freedom.” Take Skyrim, for instance. The majority of players side with the Empire in that game because the Stormcloaks aren’t presented as wholly sympathetic. Even though they’re fighting for the right to rule their own land, as well as religious freedom, they have quite a few bad traits that rub people the wrong way. Usually it’s their generally racist beliefs.
It’s all about presentation. Each faction just needs a balance of positive and negative traits to keep them both morally gray.
It won’t happen. The anti-COD crowd will probably send them death threats.
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> Microsoft isn’t going to make a game about the insurrection as it paints the UNSC in a bad light. The UNSC in a civil war ends up being the Empire from Star Wars , or The Alliance from Firefly. A huge bureaucratic war machine crushing outer colonies simply for wanting to self govern , generally doesn’t make for an heroic story. I’m not saying the insurrectionists were completely innocent , but the views of free people rarely coincide with world controlling governments.
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> The last thing Microsoft wants is to make the whole UNSC look like Britain trying to control the US colonies , or the US Army crushing the Native Americans. That is specifically why Bungie created O.N.I. ; so the good guys can be the good guys , while their is also an air of not quite trusting the ones handing down the orders.
Hate to break it to you but while the motives that started the insurrection were good they devolved into terrorism activley killing civilians on many planets. The insurrectionists are the bad guys in the civil war.
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> > Microsoft isn’t going to make a game about the insurrection as it paints the UNSC in a bad light. The UNSC in a civil war ends up being the Empire from Star Wars , or The Alliance from Firefly. A huge bureaucratic war machine crushing outer colonies simply for wanting to self govern , generally doesn’t make for an heroic story. I’m not saying the insurrectionists were completely innocent , but the views of free people rarely coincide with world controlling governments.
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> > The last thing Microsoft wants is to make the whole UNSC look like Britain trying to control the US colonies , or the US Army crushing the Native Americans. That is specifically why Bungie created O.N.I. ; so the good guys can be the good guys , while their is also an air of not quite trusting the ones handing down the orders.
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> Hate to break it to you but while the motives that started the insurrection were good they devolved into terrorism activley killing civilians on many planets. The insurrectionists are the bad guys in the civil war.
I have never read any books that deal directly with the insurrection or any of the people involved , so I can’t speak definitively about the subject. All I will say is , Terrorism against a tyrannical system isn’t Terrorism. If you are attacking civilian installations or even communities that support said Tyranny ; it isn’t Terrorism. Killing civilians that are empathetic to or openly supportive of oppressive Governments are not innocent. The German people that supported -Yoink!- after knowing what he was doing , were not innocent , they were complicit.
Again I don’t know the particulars of any insurrectionist plots or battles , and in any civil war with multiple cells of combatants you can’t expect every splinter group to have the same morals or beliefs. I would imagine the insurrection was made up of hundreds of different colonies , all with different motivations and lengths they were willing to go to.
And understand , if light is shed on the subject and there is no question that the insurrectionists were fighting a completely illegal war with no legitimate claims , than sure they are the bad guys.
But , with all of the shady things we know O.N.I. has had a hand in , do you honestly believe that colonies were revolting because the U.N.S.C. wanted to make their lives better? Or because their are a lot of issues that the colonies have that are being ignored ,swept under the rug , or just completely neglected to the benefit of the Inner Sphere (Original Home worlds , IE… Earth , Mars etc…).
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> > Hate to break it to you but while the motives that started the insurrection were good they devolved into terrorism activley killing civilians on many planets. The insurrectionists are the bad guys in the civil war.
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> I have never read any books that deal directly with the insurrection or any of the people involved , so I can’t speak definitively about the subject. All I will say is , Terrorism against a tyrannical system isn’t Terrorism. If you are attacking civilian installations or even communities that support said Tyranny ; it isn’t Terrorism. Killing civilians that are empathetic to or openly supportive of oppressive Governments are not innocent. The German people that supported -Yoink!- after knowing what he was doing , were not innocent , they were complicit.
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> Again I don’t know the particulars of any insurrectionist plots or battles , and in any civil war with multiple cells of combatants you can’t expect every splinter group to have the same morals or beliefs. I would imagine the insurrection was made up of hundreds of different colonies , all with different motivations and lengths they were willing to go to.
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> And understand , if light is shed on the subject and there is no question that the insurrectionists were fighting a completely illegal war with no legitimate claims , than sure they are the bad guys.
> But , with all of the shady things we know O.N.I. has had a hand in , do you honestly believe that colonies were revolting because the U.N.S.C. wanted to make their lives better? Or because their are a lot of issues that the colonies have that are being ignored ,swept under the rug , or just completely neglected to the benefit of the Inner Sphere (Original Home worlds , IE… Earth , Mars etc…).
Terrorism is any acts of violence driven by political or ideoligical means. I can’t believe the bs that I just read, you are seriously trying to say it’s okay to massacre a civilian population when that is a literal war crime. You might have had a point if the movement to gain independence had still continued through peaceful protests but you dont.
Here are some of the books that deal with the insurection, The Cole Protocol, Dirt from Halo evolutions, Contact Harvest, Ghosts of Onyx. The insurection blatantly attacked civilians who had no part in the UEG and the movement would likely have worked out better if they had instead gone for large scale peaceful protests and focused on getting their message out instead of massacering innocent civilians.
Any act of violence perpetrated for political or ideological reasons? So basicly every conflict ever fought? Terrorism is an act of violence whose sole goal is to strike fear in a populace. To let them know they vulnerable and unprotected. Can it have political or ideological motivations? Sure , but it requires more than that.
I don’t believe civilians are innocent if they support living an extravagant life style off the backs of another population’s suffering. At that point , they are at best silent conspirators and at worst openly supportive of oppression. I don’t agree with the mass slaughter of people, but what do you do when military installations are mixed in with civilian buildings and city centers. We know O.N.I. have buildings in civilian cities , and New Mombosa was a rebuilt civilian city with a military base at its heart. How many other U.E.G. population centers do think follow this same plan? Considering New Mombosa is a fairly recent rebuild , I would say it was at least inspired by plans made for other colonies.
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> Any act of violence perpetrated for political or ideological reasons? So basicly every conflict ever fought? Terrorism is an act of violence whose sole goal is to strike fear in a populace. To let them know they vulnerable and unprotected. Can it have political or ideological motivations? Sure , but it requires more than that.
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> I don’t believe civilians are innocent if they support living an extravagant life style off the backs of another population’s suffering. At that point , they are at best silent conspirators and at worst openly supportive of oppression. I don’t agree with the mass slaughter of people, but what do you do when military installations are mixed in with civilian buildings and city centers. We know O.N.I. have buildings in civilian cities , and New Mombosa was a rebuilt civilian city with a military base at its heart. How many other U.E.G. population centers do think follow this same plan? Considering New Mombosa is a fairly recent rebuild , I would say it was at least inspired by plans made for other colonies.
The UGE is a democracy, that means that they really should have pursued a political agenda for their ability to self govern over resorting to terrorism. Your right I did for the get the part of terrorism that is the “for the purpose to spread panic and fear among a civilian population”. Do you seriously think that people in the inner colonies didnt work just as hard as those in the outer colonies? You do realize that there is free movment for people right? Almost everyone in the outer colonies is choosing to be there so there is obviously something appealing about going to the outer colonies.
To make this clear you are arguing that:
- Terrorism is okay even when there are other peaceful paths to achieve your goals especially ones that don’t end in millions dead. - People that are in better places are moraly bankrupt as they “benefit off suffering” even though they have there own problems just as if not worse than others. - Civilian casualties are okay and they don’t mean anything as long as an “oppressive” government is the target.Wow that sure is a list of crap ideas. The insurection is a moraly corrupt movement that’s only goal is to take power into their own hands that at best end with places like venzia, a hot bed of morally bankrupt professions, and at worst totalitarian regiems that opress the very people they claimed to stand for. Not to mention the citizens that don’t have a problem with the UEG on these planets and just want to have a peaceful life suddenly having to fear a truck bomb going off while they are trying to get some food (contact harvest).
Now say all of that to Benjamin Geraurd. The Investigative reporter that O.N.I. locked up and lobotomized for knowing to much.
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> Now say all of that to Benjamin Geraurd. The Investigative reporter that O.N.I. locked up and lobotomized for knowing to much.
Did I ever say ONI was good? No I didn’t, also Benjamin was never lobotomized. When you look at the big picture everything ONI has done makes sense. The goal of ONI is to keep humanity protected and united at any cost, quite often that cost is something atrocious such as kidnapping children. Not to mention no civilian would know the extent of how ONI operates and thusly can not be held acouaccount because ONI is not their government. The insurection is just as bad, leading to millions of deaths while ONI trades live trying to keep humanity together. I can see that you have no good points and are just trying to justify terrorism and mass civilian massacres.
Although Insurrection SOUNDS like a good idea, it is a terrible one.
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> Microsoft isn’t going to make a game about the insurrection as it paints the UNSC in a bad light. The UNSC in a civil war ends up being the Empire from Star Wars , or The Alliance from Firefly. A huge bureaucratic war machine crushing outer colonies simply for wanting to self govern , generally doesn’t make for an heroic story. I’m not saying the insurrectionists were completely innocent , but the views of free people rarely coincide with world controlling governments.
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> The last thing Microsoft wants is to make the whole UNSC look like Britain trying to control the US colonies , or the US Army crushing the Native Americans. That is specifically why Bungie created O.N.I. ; so the good guys can be the good guys , while their is also an air of not quite trusting the ones handing down the orders.
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> Microsoft isn’t going to make a game about the insurrection as it paints the UNSC in a bad light. The UNSC in a civil war ends up being the Empire from Star Wars , or The Alliance from Firefly. A huge bureaucratic war machine crushing outer colonies simply for wanting to self govern , generally doesn’t make for an heroic story. I’m not saying the insurrectionists were completely innocent , but the views of free people rarely coincide with world controlling governments.
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> The last thing Microsoft wants is to make the whole UNSC look like Britain trying to control the US colonies , or the US Army crushing the Native Americans. That is specifically why Bungie created O.N.I. ; so the good guys can be the good guys , while their is also an air of not quite trusting the ones handing down the orders.
If that’s a legitimate concern for 343/MS, then make a game about the Interplanetary War.
It’s the perfect formula to make the UNSC look good: unified space force combating devout pro-communist and pro-fascist ideologues across the Sol System, with the end-goal being the military unification of Earth under a powerful and self-reliant armed force. Utopian, but still well-intended.
Of course they’rte not going to do that, becoz hurr durr COD lookalike !1!1!111!!!
I like the concept but that’s going to be a no for me. In all the Halos you play as the good guys. It won’t seem like a genuine Halo game if you’re fighting the UNSC.