A few thoughts about the assault rifle

One of my all time favorite weapons in Halo is the Assault rifle, especially the newest one. It’s cool-looking, it’s fun to use, and it’s versatile if you know how to control the spread. That said, I do have a few questions about it. First of all, doesn’t it supposedly fire 7.62mm ammunition? If so, why? A bullet like that isn’t nearly as effective as some of the rounds we’ve already created, and the assault rifle doesn’t have anything near the stopping power that a round like that would have. Another thing is, how do they fit 60 bullets into the MA5B? That’s a lot of rounds, and they’re fired from a pretty small magazine. My third question is, why does the computer module on the top have to be so large, just to count the ammunition and function as a compass? Over 500 years into the future, it would take almost nothing to produce that kind of processing power. So what’s up with that?

I have a few ideas that would explain the design of the assault rifle, though they admittedly would contradict some canonical “fact”, so to speak. That said, it’s just a thought exercise, not to be taken seriously if you disagree with it, but feel free to tell me if you like the ideas.

My first idea is a complete redesign of the conventional assault rifle round. the standard bullet could be elongated and thin, looking something like a tank round with a smaller casing, propelled by a more powerful explosive than the powder that we use today. These would be exceptional armor-piercers, which would be far more effective against both the titanium composite human armor and the latticework of alloys that make up Covenant armor, though the reduced stopping power of a thin, lightweight projectile wouldn’t necessarily make them devastating against energy shielding. Second is the explanation for jamming all 60 of those bullets into the MA5B. My solution to this is the “suppressive round”, a shorter bullet that has less acceleration and piercing power than the conventional “javelin” design (as I will call it for the sake of brevity). These would be about half the length of the “javelins” but exactly the same width, so that almost twice as many could be put in a magazine. However, instead of a single column of bullets feeding into the chamber, there would be two separate columns feeding first down, then forward, THEN up into the chamber via a series of passive magnetic strips instead of outdated springs. These rounds wouldn’t pierce armor quite as well as the “javelins”, but would be able to be fired very quickly and in very large quantities while simultaneously being much cheaper to produce.

Now on to the computer uplink. First off, we’ll say that most of the mass of the MA5’s computer is insulation and armor, to keep the internal systems from being either physically or electronically damaged. My supplemental theory is that the module does more than just count bullets and tell you which direction you’re facing. Perhaps a small camera in the front (something similar to, say, the camera-lens like protuberance seen here, sticking out above the barrel: Rifle | Halo Alpha | Fandom)enables the user to use the screen as a reflex sight of sorts, or even that it functions as a receiver for tactical information, like a long-range antenna of sorts. In this regard, the assault rifle would not only be a gun, but an indispensable tool on the battlefield.

Any thoughts?

> My third question is, why does the computer module on the top have to be so large, just to count the ammunition and function as a compass? Over 500 years into the future, it would take almost nothing to produce that kind of processing power. So what’s up with that?

Yes but remember it still has to be seen by the solider. You could put all the computing needed to read ammo count, compass and various other things into a space the size of half a dime but the screen still has to be large enough to be seen by a solider in the muddy, dangerous and hectic battlefield.

> > My third question is, why does the computer module on the top have to be so large, just to count the ammunition and function as a compass? Over 500 years into the future, it would take almost nothing to produce that kind of processing power. So what’s up with that?
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> Yes but remember it still has to be seen by the solider. You could put all the computing needed to read ammo count, compass and various other things into a space the size of half a dime but the screen still has to be large enough to be seen by a solider in the muddy, dangerous and hectic battlefield.

True, but that wasn’t my problem. If they only needed a big screen, all they would need is a screen without much else in front of it. I’m asking about all the stuff in front of the screen, not the screen itself.

> > > My third question is, why does the computer module on the top have to be so large, just to count the ammunition and function as a compass? Over 500 years into the future, it would take almost nothing to produce that kind of processing power. So what’s up with that?
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> > Yes but remember it still has to be seen by the solider. You could put all the computing needed to read ammo count, compass and various other things into a space the size of half a dime but the screen still has to be large enough to be seen by a solider in the muddy, dangerous and hectic battlefield.
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> True, but that wasn’t my problem. If they only needed a big screen, all they would need is a screen without much else in front of it. I’m asking about all the stuff in front of the screen, not the screen itself.

You mean

This?

Remember it has to be flush with the rifle that explains that. If you had a smooth rifle with a screen suddenly jutting out of it not only would it look odd but the screen would get caught on everything.

> One of my all time favorite weapons in Halo is the Assault rifle, especially the newest one. It’s cool-looking, it’s fun to use, and it’s versatile if you know how to control the spread. That said, I do have a few questions about it. First of all, doesn’t it supposedly fire 7.62mm ammunition? If so, why? A bullet like that isn’t nearly as effective as some of the rounds we’ve already created, and the assault rifle doesn’t have anything near the stopping power that a round like that would have. Another thing is, how do they fit 60 bullets into the MA5B? That’s a lot of rounds, and they’re fired from a pretty small magazine. My third question is, why does the computer module on the top have to be so large, just to count the ammunition and function as a compass? Over 500 years into the future, it would take almost nothing to produce that kind of processing power. So what’s up with that?
>
> I have a few ideas that would explain the design of the assault rifle, though they admittedly would contradict some canonical “fact”, so to speak. That said, it’s just a thought exercise, not to be taken seriously if you disagree with it, but feel free to tell me if you like the ideas.
>
> My first idea is a complete redesign of the conventional assault rifle round. the standard bullet could be elongated and thin, looking something like a tank round with a smaller casing, propelled by a more powerful explosive than the powder that we use today. These would be exceptional armor-piercers, which would be far more effective against both the titanium composite human armor and the latticework of alloys that make up Covenant armor, though the reduced stopping power of a thin, lightweight projectile wouldn’t necessarily make them devastating against energy shielding. Second is the explanation for jamming all 60 of those bullets into the MA5B. My solution to this is the “suppressive round”, a shorter bullet that has less acceleration and piercing power than the conventional “javelin” design (as I will call it for the sake of brevity). These would be about half the length of the “javelins” but exactly the same width, so that almost twice as many could be put in a magazine. However, instead of a single column of bullets feeding into the chamber, there would be two separate columns feeding first down, then forward, THEN up into the chamber via a series of passive magnetic strips instead of outdated springs. These rounds wouldn’t pierce armor quite as well as the “javelins”, but would be able to be fired very quickly and in very large quantities while simultaneously being much cheaper to produce.
>
> Now on to the computer uplink. First off, we’ll say that most of the mass of the MA5’s computer is insulation and armor, to keep the internal systems from being either physically or electronically damaged. My supplemental theory is that the module does more than just count bullets and tell you which direction you’re facing. Perhaps a small camera in the front (something similar to, say, the camera-lens like protuberance seen here, sticking out above the barrel: Rifle | Halo Alpha | Fandom)enables the user to use the screen as a reflex sight of sorts, or even that it functions as a receiver for tactical information, like a long-range antenna of sorts. In this regard, the assault rifle would not only be a gun, but an indispensable tool on the battlefield.
>
> Any thoughts?

I’ve thought about this as well, and it’s bothered me a bit. Being realistic, no way 60 7.62x51mm NATO rounds would fit in a clip that size- 7.62x51mm is a full-size rifle round used in modern battle rifles, and 1 hit from one is sure to kill anything human. Now, granted this is the future, and things may have changed, but I really wish they didn’t use modern-day rounds for weapons 500+ years in the future.

But I like your idea for the two kinds of bullets- first one, the javelins, I assume for the 32-round mags? And you mentioned the suppressive round was for the MA5B, which I’ve thought about as well for the feeding system- two columns of bullets to make it work, but when you say it feeds ‘down, then up’ you mean it feeds down into the gun? How does that work exactly, you’re keeping the magazine in the same place, right?

My mistake, allow me to clarify. With suppression rounds, the bullets being fed into the weapon would, in fact, be fed upwards. What I was trying to say was, as the first column is fed up into the weapon, the second column is forced down and forward, so that the lowermost round in the back column takes the place of the lowermost round in the front column. Essentially, the last bullet in the magazine would travel from the top of the rear column, then down, then forward into the front column, then up, and then up into the chamber.

> > > > My third question is, why does the computer module on the top have to be so large, just to count the ammunition and function as a compass? Over 500 years into the future, it would take almost nothing to produce that kind of processing power. So what’s up with that?
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> > > Yes but remember it still has to be seen by the solider. You could put all the computing needed to read ammo count, compass and various other things into a space the size of half a dime but the screen still has to be large enough to be seen by a solider in the muddy, dangerous and hectic battlefield.
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> > True, but that wasn’t my problem. If they only needed a big screen, all they would need is a screen without much else in front of it. I’m asking about all the stuff in front of the screen, not the screen itself.
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> You mean
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> http://oi44.tinypic.com/2dhb5ed.jpg
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> This?
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> Remember it has to be flush with the rifle that explains that. If you had a smooth rifle with a screen suddenly jutting out of it not only would it look odd but the screen would get caught on everything.

Jutting out? You mean, like a reflex sight? or a scope? Because those don’t actually get caught on things very often…

> > > > > My third question is, why does the computer module on the top have to be so large, just to count the ammunition and function as a compass? Over 500 years into the future, it would take almost nothing to produce that kind of processing power. So what’s up with that?
> > > >
> > > > Yes but remember it still has to be seen by the solider. You could put all the computing needed to read ammo count, compass and various other things into a space the size of half a dime but the screen still has to be large enough to be seen by a solider in the muddy, dangerous and hectic battlefield.
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> > > True, but that wasn’t my problem. If they only needed a big screen, all they would need is a screen without much else in front of it. I’m asking about all the stuff in front of the screen, not the screen itself.
> >
> > You mean
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> > http://oi44.tinypic.com/2dhb5ed.jpg
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> > This?
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> > Remember it has to be flush with the rifle that explains that. If you had a smooth rifle with a screen suddenly jutting out of it not only would it look odd but the screen would get caught on everything.
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> Jutting out? You mean, like a reflex sight? or a scope? Because those don’t actually get caught on things very often…

Well what would your design look like?

Um… exactly the same as the current assault rifles? I’m not redesigning the outside, I’m just rethinking the inside. I think you might have misinterpreted my post.

> My mistake, allow me to clarify. With suppression rounds, the bullets being fed into the weapon would, in fact, be fed upwards. What I was trying to say was, as the first column is fed up into the weapon, the second column is forced down and forward, so that the lowermost round in the back column takes the place of the lowermost round in the front column. Essentially, the last bullet in the magazine would travel from the top of the rear column, then down, then forward into the front column, then up, and then up into the chamber.

Okay, got it, cool, thanks.

Oh, and I forgot to mention; yes, the “javelin” rounds are for the 32-round magazines.

I find the design of the MA5 (and UNSC Army MA37) series Assault Rifle in the Halo series to be a bit improbable. They all fire the 7.62x51mm round - I suppose this was the game designer establishing some sort of link between modern day real life and the Haloverse’s time line.

7.62mm rounds are pretty damn huge and a rifle holding 60 of these rounds would have really massive magazines. Take a look at the 30 round magazines of real life battle rifles like the FAL, M14, G3 and SCAR-H. An MA5B of Halo CE would need a really massive magazine well which would make the width of the weapon match that of a Spartan Laser. I suppose this is why the MA5 and MA37 in subsequent games only holds 32 rounds.

The 7.62x51mm also has horrendous recoil when fired on full automatic. Real life battle rifles like the M16 which were chambered for lighter, lower recoil 5.56x45mm rounds. So unless the MA5 has some kind of recoil dampening technology in it, its rounds, even on bursts, would be far more scattered than portrayed in the game.

It may be a bit confusing, but in real life, the term assault rifle is normally reserved for selective fire rifles chambered for light or intermediate rounds like the 5.56x45mm (M16, M4, FA MAS, AUG, SAR 21 to name a few), 5.45x39mm (AK74) and 7.62x39mm (AK47, AKM, SKS). Battle Rifle is used to describe those chambered full power rounds like the 7.62x51mm.

I’m all for seeing a lot of the AR design being retconned, especially the specifics about the ammunition and other specs. I love the weapon but so much of it doesn’t entirely make sense.

The MA5 series fires a larger round than the M4 Carbine, and the bullet is same size as what the AK-47 fires, but the casing is longer. I’d imagine that when you say “assault rifle”, these two rifles are usually what people think of.

Also, yeah, many fans believe that the UNSC weapons possess sophiscated recoil dampening systems, considering how large the rounds their weapons fire are. Like, I’m sure if you asked a layman what’s the largest firearm round they could think of, they’d probably say the .50 BMG. But compare that to the round the SRS99 series fire, and it seems a whole lot less impressive.

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> The MA5 series fires a larger round than the M4 Carbine, and the bullet is same size as what the AK-47 fires, but the casing is longer. I’d imagine that when you say “assault rifle”, these two rifles are usually what people think of.
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> Also, yeah, many fans believe that the UNSC weapons possess sophiscated recoil dampening systems, considering how large the rounds their weapons fire are. Like, I’m sure if you asked a layman what’s the largest firearm round they could think of, they’d probably say the .50 BMG. But compare that to the round the SRS99 series fire, and it seems a whole lot less impressive.

Partially correct… the MA5 and DMR (along with real life battle rifles and machine guns) are the same calibre as the AK47/AKM, but the projectiles themselves are heavier than their Russian rivals.

Typical M80 projectile for 7.62x51mm is 147 grain, while the M43 projectile (7.62x39mm) is 122 grain. The Russian equivalent of the 7.62x51mm is the 7.62x54mm rimmed round.

Wow, talk about a necropost.

um they sort of explained the 60 round mag it moved over to the 32 because of a high risk of jamming as for the details of the MA5 series I take it with a grain of salt this is the same franchise that modelled a lot of its weapons off of their aliens counter parts and aliens is the same quasi 21st century future tech again the MA as stated by halopedia has terrible range considering rifles we now use which are far superior then the MA5 also for the scope the MA5B does have a scope it replaces the compass and the ammunition counter alongside a grenade launcher attachment which replaces the flashlight also this is the same game that made warthogs indestructible, HMG’s to not run out of ammunition at all and sniper rifles that are AM rated and only one of them is AM rated

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> Wow, talk about a necropost.

Ikr! From THREE years ago! Is that the new record?

My specs for an MA5 redesign are as follows:
Length: 80 centimetres
Weight: 4.1 kilograms (no attachments, standard configuration) 5.6 kilograms (when equipped with M301 GLM)
Effective firing range: 400-550 meters
Accuracy: medium
Operation: short-stroke gas piston, closed bolt
Fire mode: automatic, semi-automatic
Rate of fire: 600 RPM
Cartridge: 6.8x43mm
Feed system: 40 round box magazine
Ammo supply: 40+440 (480)
What do you think of that?

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> My specs for an MA5 redesign are as follows:
> **Length: 80 centimetresWeight: 4.1 kilograms (no attachments, standard configuration) 5.6 kilograms (when equipped with M301 GLM)Effective firing range: 400-550 meters **Accuracy: mediumOperation: short-stroke gas piston, closed boltFire mode: automatic, semi-automaticRate of fire: 600 RPMCartridge: 6.8x43mmFeed system: 40 round box magazine**Ammo supply: 40+440 (480)**What do you think of that?

omg this post was necroposted twice.