Alright, it seems that there are many misconceptions that some people may have, either about Competitive Players or the game itself. So if you see any of the following quotes, redirect the person to this thread in order for them to be more informed and to clear up some misconceptions. This thread is not about causing flamewars or hating on one another, it is simply a way to see things from the perspective of a concerned Halo player. Feel free to agree or disagree with any of this.
And please, try your best to read to the end. I realize after writing this I started it off a little opinionated, but it becomes much more open-minded as it goes on.
> Halo isn’t copying COD! Those aren’t originally from COD!!!
You’re right, Halo is copying Doom/Wolfenstein/“insert other shooter from the 90’s here”, because those games have giant populations that Halo can try to attract.
Oh wait, that was COD, the game that ORIGINALLY copied them. Why in the -Yoink- would Halo try to copy a game that next to no one plays anymore? This is -Yoink!- people. They are trying to gain as much sales as possible.
> Promethean Vision isn’t overpowered, it’s useless!
Then surely you wouldn’t have a problem with it being nerfed even more then, just in case? If it truly is “Useless” as you say, then nerfing it would only keep it at the same level it is now: “useless”.
Now here’s how most sane people can see Promethean Vision as Overpowered and not just an “enhanced Motion Tracker”:
> You can see across maps with PV, you can’t with the Motion Tracker.
> You can see crouching players with PV, you can’t with the Motion Tracker.
> You can see people’s weapons with PV, you can’t with the Motion Tracker.
> You can see people’s EXACT locations with PV, down to what floor they’re on, you can’t with the Motion Tracker.
> You can see people’s armor with PV, you can’t with the Motion Tracker.
> And most importantly, with PV, YOU STILL HAVE A -Yoinking!- MOTION TRACKER.
This does not just “eliminate camping” it also elimates the whole “Stealth” aspect of the game that has been there since 2001. And you shouldn’t have to waste your AA slot on Active Camo if you want to gain that aspect back.
Not to mention that a camper WITH Promethean Vision can be much more deadly, as they now know where everyone is at all times.
And yes it does have it’s “downsides”, but are they effective enough to keep everyone from using it?
The “Blinking” doesn’t show a user’s exact location, and as for the “Noise”, some people who have played the game have said that it is hard to pinpoint exact locations through sound. (Skip to 5:28)
> 343 is catering to the Casual AND Competitive communities.
Ok. Name one Competitive aspect that is being added to the game. I dare you.
The BR doesn’t count, and we still know nothing about the ranking system or the Classic playlist.
> The BR doesn’t need to be a 4sk.
Why not? If the kill times are Carbine 7sk: 1.38, DMR 5sk: 1.48, BR 5sk: 1.82, obviously something is wrong. This is a MAJOR issue to the balance of the game.
> It is realistic for Spartans to be able to Sprint, so Sprint needs to be in the game.
Oh yeah, I got so lost in the realism that is aliens, zombies, Giant ring-shaped superweapons, robots, and AI’s that I forgot that Spartans knew how to Sprint.
> 343 has learned from Bungie’s mistakes.
Have they really? To myself and many others, Reach failed in their eyes due to things like Armor Abilities, Loadouts, Sprint, and items aimed directly at the COD audience.
Now what does Halo 4 have? AA’s, Loadouts, Sprint, and items aimed at the COD audience, only this time, they are all enhanced.
> All competitive players want is Halo 2.5
This is just flat out wrong. While I think that a Halo 2.5 would appeal to myself more than Halo 4 would in it’s current state, Halo DOES need to change. Ask (nearly) every Competitive player and they will say the same thing.
However, there are differences between the changes we want. We want changes that do NOT affect balance or the Golden Triangle in any way. Obviously we differ from many of you in that regard.
> None of this is final.
Do you remember the Reach Beta? More specifically, do you remember the COMMUNITY around the time of the Reach Beta?
Everyone and their mother had complaints about the new so-called “invincibility” added to the series. But Bungie told us all to relax, it is just a beta.
Have you been to the Reach forum in the past year and a half? It is almost completely overtaken by Armor Lock complaints.
Sometimes its the ideas themselves that are broken, not the specifics coughPromethean Visioncough.
> It doesn’t need to change, let 343 do their job.
This is the attitude on this forum that I despise. These forums are SPECIFICALLY created for us to give our constructive criticisms for the overall betterment of the game.
If no one had spoken out when Reach was new we’d still have Armor Lock, Sprint would be an AA, and the BR would be long gone.
And yes, not everyone is going to agree with one another and some people are always going to be left out. But right now a whole section of the community is being forgotten in hopes of drawing in COD crowds and they are cying out, as they should. They want their voices to be heard just as much as you do.
Imagine if 343 announced for Halo 5 that they wanted to take a more “Competitive” approach. They then announced that vehicles, Forge, Spartan Ops, and most playlists were being canned to make more room for more small Symmetrical maps. All precision weapons would be replaced by the return of the 3sk Pistol and they were getting rid of most of the other guns and AA’s.
I’d imagine you wouldn’t be happy either, but this is what the Competitive players are going through right now and they don’t want to watch their favorite series become a game that no longer suits them.
I do however realize that myself and others who agree with me have just as many misconceptions as those who don’t. But I tried to do my part in clearing things up.
And in the making of this thread, I realize that I have doomed the replies to be an all-out flamewar but that wasn’t the purpose of this thread.
My only hope for this thread is that some people will look upon it with an open mind and see things from another perspective.