So we’re all disgruntled as the Infinity didn’t just 1SK everything it encountered? That certainly would have been a new approach to FPS gameplay. No more of that pesky shooting in the first person to slow us down, just a string of cool ship to ship cinematics.
Or do we have to call that a movie?
> <mark>So we’re all disgruntled as the Infinity didn’t just 1SK everything it encountered?</mark> That certainly would have been a new approach to FPS gameplay. No more of that pesky shooting in the first person to slow us down, just a string of cool ship to ship cinematics.
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> Or do we have to call that a movie?
I’m not, it’s justified for story and gameplay reasons
> Hey!
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> Private D. Echoes survived!
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> You know, “is there anybody left?” “just dustin echoes.” Bungie even said themselves that Chief should have gone back for him!
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> If Del Rio did the right thing, why would Fleet Command remove him from his position?
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> Keyes would never have left.
Keyes follows protocol, protocol says they leave. AKA Keyes would have left.
OP,
You’re reading WAY too much into what is just a video game.
> OP,
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> You’re reading WAY too much into what is just a video game.
Really,…really i am thinking to far into what is just a game…lol Halo is not just a game. If you are on the forum you know this so don’t act like halo isn’t more than just a game.
> Everything you said was wrong…
So much eh?
ODSTs are not a separate branch… They are marines. Spartans are a separate branch though. Navy, Marine, Air Force, Army, Spartan. John’s been In the navy for decades.
If master chief had died, requiem wouldn’t have opened letting the covenant in so easily. Instead, if infinity had come, covenant forces would have been dealt with outside shield world 0001. A few ODSTs took down a scarab in New Mombasa… Scarabs can be dealt with. The covies had 6 months to acquaint themselves with requiem, and no they did not have huragoks. Huragoks went away except for one covie and a few forerunner legacy huragoks who made more huragoks and who are with the humans.
Jul had amassed many followers, likely more than the forces on installation 04. And it’s really not palpatine like plot. Getting a key isn’t the same thing as corrupting the government from the inside and other stuff.
The infinity mission on Requiem was a research mission. The infinity was boarded twice yes, the first time it was after infinity was pulled down without power and crashing due to forerunner stuff. The second time it was after a forerunner artifact had immobilized it and had enemies teleporting inside the ship. The ship was also malfunctioning. Forerunner intervention. The covies had holed up on requiem, so did the humans on installation 04.
They did have air assistance, lots of broadswords bombarding stuff and providing assistance when needed. Crimson managed to kill some 5000+ covies and prometheans over the course of their tour on requiem. Spartans can be deployed from SOEIVs… ODSTs aren’t the only ones. There were also likely ODSTs with different BDUs on board. Also SOEIVs are a one use thing mainly. Pelicans aren’t.
I forgot a lot of the rest. Covies could access the requiem’s AA defenses…
> > Everything you said was wrong…
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> So much eh?
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> ODSTs are not a separate branch… They are marines. Spartans are a separate branch though. Navy, Marine, Air Force, Army, Spartan. John’s been In the navy for decades.
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> If master chief had died, requiem wouldn’t have opened letting the covenant in so easily. Instead, if infinity had come, covenant forces would have been dealt with outside shield world 0001. A few ODSTs took down a scarab in New Mombasa… Scarabs can be dealt with. The covies had 6 months to acquaint themselves with requiem, and no they did not have huragoks. Huragoks went away except for one covie and a few forerunner legacy huragoks who made more huragoks and who are with the humans.
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> Jul had amassed many followers, likely more than the forces on installation 04. And it’s really not palpatine like plot. Getting a key isn’t the same thing as corrupting the government from the inside and other stuff.
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> The infinity mission on Requiem was a research mission. The infinity was boarded twice yes, the first time it was after infinity was pulled down without power and crashing due to forerunner stuff. The second time it was after a forerunner artifact had immobilized it and had enemies teleporting inside the ship. The ship was also malfunctioning. Forerunner intervention. The covies had holed up on requiem, so did the humans on installation 04.
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> They did have air assistance, lots of broadswords bombarding stuff and providing assistance when needed. Crimson managed to kill some 5000+ covies and prometheans over the course of their tour on requiem. Spartans can be deployed from SOEIVs… ODSTs aren’t the only ones. There were also likely ODSTs with different BDUs on board. Also SOEIVs are a one use thing mainly. Pelicans aren’t.
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> I forgot a lot of the rest. Covies could access the requiem’s AA defenses…
1st-Well i didn’t say that ODSTs were a different branch…i said they were under the marines and army branches.
2nd-If the Infinity could have wiped out the Covenant at Requiem why did they bring the entire Home Fleet to fight off the Mantles Approach and why did they bring half of the Home Fleet with them when they went back to requiem along with over 10 spartan fireteams. Buck and his Squad were Elite ODSTs. Also Huragoks all didn’t just run away and the Covenant didn’t have a single one.
3rd-Jul Amassed his army from young and religious nut jobs. Also the Colony that he escaped to. Like i said before the Rangers and warriors are the only trained troops that know how to fight the others were just given guns and told to kill. I doubt he and The Sons of the Abiding Truth could train an armada in about 4 years.
4th-It was a Palpatine Plot for he only used his troops as cannon fodder from the start. He only cared for a few those who were his close friends and he didn’t wish for too many people to get close to him after what happened when Oni captured him. Getting the Key is like corrupting the Government in a way because he has started a Civil War and trying to use his own people as a means to destroy humanity. Even thought he says that he is doing this for them when he uses so many while sending them to their deaths just to give DR. Halsey the Promethean soul so she can study it and rely the info to him and that isn’t the only case and mass loses that he just Palatines Off.
5th-As if it is hard to fight off the Covies aboard the Infinity. They had a home field advantage and still would have failed if (us) Crimson wasn’t as good as they were. the Ship would have been nuked.
6th-Would you rather have Jets in the air or Jets, Heli’s and quick troop transports. Hornets, Falcons, and (since halo wars is cannon) Sparrow Hawks. Those would have been easy to have for low-at air support and that is tactically superior than letting the Covies keep the skies with their Banshees. Uprooting a foe is hard,we all know that but being more tactically aware than your foes like using low-att air support would wipe them out. Also the Covies had the Numbers and failed. When they have better weapons and armor I guess that lack of training really counts. After weeks of fighting Promos i think the crew should have counted for a random attack from them. Even Matson(sorry can’t spell his name) even said…these things can pop up just anywhere and we all know from 343 Guilty Spark that forerunner machines can use their slipspace portals even beyond the installation they are linked to.
7th pt 1- The main point is that MC saved the Infinity and they would have freed the Didact either way and left him to take down Earth. He himself can already ground the Infinity even without a ship and disable its shields and weapons. If MC didn’t get to the Autumn on Reach or if he never drifted near Requiem. If he hadn’t been on the Autumn alot of things would have changed and the flood would have fun free in covenant space and later of killed us all but the crew of the Autumn would have gotten away with several members who( since MC wasn’t aboard the Autumn ) would have taken Cortana and blown up the ring. Like Mckay and her troops. They would have been tasked with bringing her to the Autumn and getting the Codes from Keyes. I don’t doubt they couldn’t of done so, but it would have been far beyond difficult and they might have pulled it off.
7th pt 2- The Infinity would have freed Didict and those who would have freed him would have been lung around like dolls and killed. He would have gotten his info he needed from the Infinity and would have gone to Earth and Vaped everyone their. Like i said before looking at Halo 3 our ships don’t do too much to Forerunner ships and Didact didn’t have much of a problem dealing with the Home Fleet and the Infinity at the same time. The Problem was MC.
ODSTs are marines. Not army.
Entire home fleet? Half the home fleet? Your claims are unfounded. Home fleet is at Earth, defending Earth. The mantle approach is around 75 kilometers long, it’s a forerunner starship. Do you expect home fleet to just let it pass? The mantle’s resolve is a forerunner ship not a covenant ship. Huragoks did disappear from the covenant. Read glasslands.
I guess you don’t know much about Sangheili culture. Sangheili are usually trained to fight from their keeps at young ages even. Some keeps train to fight females as well. Jul 'Mdama’s army is not sourced to come from servants of the abiding truth. Not every member of Jul’s covenant is young.
Do you know much about Star Wars? Palpatine is so different from this. Jul didn’t start a civil war.
Crimson was the fireteam closest to the nukes, so we took care of it. Spartan-IVs. Homefield advantage, infinity had lots of stuff disabled, less of an Advantage. Fighting covenant easy? Fighting isn’t generally easy. Prometheans attacked as well and they did fend of the attack.
Why are you brining halo wars and canon? Of course its canon. Of course halo 4 is canon. I wouldn’t doubt other vehicles were used, just not sighted. It’s like in previous halo games, take Reach. We didn’t see hornets, they were likely somewhere else. Plus they had drones. And I’m not sure what you’re trying to say overall. Sometimes it seems like you’re complaining that the unsc was weak or something and then that the covenant was weak? I don’t get it. I don’t think you understand how forerunner translocation works. Infinity was at a distance and not in requiem to avoid getting boarded.
He helped save the infinity from the didact, covenant and prometheans he seemed to unleash. Without John, the infinity could have recovered and they could have faced the Didact without a bloody nose. But that’s speculation. And the spirit of fire crew has saved humanity from extinction, the red horse’s crew also saved the galaxy. John is not the only hero.
> ODSTs are marines. Not army.
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> Entire home fleet? Half the home fleet? Your claims are unfounded. Home fleet is at Earth, defending Earth. The mantle approach is around 75 kilometers long, it’s a forerunner starship. Do you expect home fleet to just let it pass? The mantle’s resolve is a forerunner ship not a covenant ship. Huragoks did disappear from the covenant. Read glasslands.
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> I guess you don’t know much about Sangheili culture. Sangheili are usually trained to fight from their keeps at young ages even. Some keeps train to fight females as well. Jul 'Mdama’s army is not sourced to come from servants of the abiding truth. Not every member of Jul’s covenant is young.
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> Do you know much about Star Wars? Palpatine is so different from this. Jul didn’t start a civil war.
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> Crimson was the fireteam closest to the nukes, so we took care of it. Spartan-IVs. Homefield advantage, infinity had lots of stuff disabled, less of an Advantage. Fighting covenant easy? Fighting isn’t generally easy. Prometheans attacked as well and they did fend of the attack.
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> Why are you brining halo wars and canon? Of course its canon. Of course halo 4 is canon. I wouldn’t doubt other vehicles were used, just not sighted. It’s like in previous halo games, take Reach. We didn’t see hornets, they were likely somewhere else. Plus they had drones. And I’m not sure what you’re trying to say overall. Sometimes it seems like you’re complaining that the unsc was weak or something and then that the covenant was weak? I don’t get it. I don’t think you understand how forerunner translocation works. Infinity was at a distance and not in requiem to avoid getting boarded.
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> He helped save the infinity from the didact, covenant and prometheans he seemed to unleash. Without John, the infinity could have recovered and they could have faced the Didact without a bloody nose. But that’s speculation. And the spirit of fire crew has saved humanity from extinction, the red horse’s crew also saved the galaxy. John is not the only hero.
I didn’t say he was the only Hero but he is the greatest man known in Halo.
Crimson is one of the top squad aboard the Infinity and most likely other spartans wouldn’t of gotten the job done because Miller even had little hope from Crimson.
Never said the Home Fleet would not engage the Mantles Approach and Lasky did take the Home Fleet than half to Requiem. They even show when he leads them to engage Didact in Halo Forward Unto Dawn. Home Fleet is one of the Last Human fleets that can be spared since the war left us broken. The Infinity took parts of that Fleet to assist in retaking requiem.
Also they wouldn’t of taken the ship back because MC lead the counter attack of Spartan IV’s. Palmer and Lasky were trapped and would have been killed and wouldn’t of cleared an LZ for reinforcements to even arrive. Also they wouldn’t of auntomatically opened fire on Didact because it would of been a reach mission and like before Radio comms would of been down so someone would of had to bring them back up by freeing Didact and if he would have gotten to his ship the Infinty would have been in the same situation as before. Anyone who has played Halo CE or read The Flood understands forerunner teleportation tech Cortana. Explains how to use it and allows MC to Board the Truth and Reconciliation.
Huge Star wars fan, I even know how to speak Mando’ade Jul is doing a Palpatine trick with coming up with a poweful army to save his people from the oppression of Humanity than after he was planning on killer the former Arbiter and Rtas. Jul has stated a Civil War or atleast has kept the war going on even after he found out what was going on.
Halo Wars hasn’t been seen as canon by a crap ton of people for Multiple reasons. Like how the Arbiter’s armor(which they only have one of) was destroyed when the Shield World was blown up and how Douglas was the leader of Red team when we all know that isn’t or wasn’t true at any point. The reason we didn’t see hornets on Halo Reach was because Noble team served with Noble Company of the Army. They Used army tech. Each branch uses different vehicles/guns in Halo made for their duties. That is why Bungie introduced the DMR and the Falcon they said they were mainly used by the army and not the Marines or Navy. ODST are marines but can be deployed as army troopers as well since they are special forces their goal is to that of who commands them at the time like an adviser.
Army in Halo and most other space age series is hte stainary forces for planets and the Marines as know even in our modern day are basically the infanty of the Navy but they don’t have the ordnance of the army but better training for their hazardous situations.
Also i do know about the elites, my Gamer Tag is Delko Elite 15, and before that it was Golden Rod Elite, Elite Zealot and Elite 0814, before that is Dark Elite. I have been asking praying and making threads on this website about the elites and how they should be in the future halos especially now more than ever because Jul is on the Lose and we are allies with them. I am a former member of the (now disabanded) RTS clan (Renegade Twin Swords) dedicated to nothing but the elites. I have spent the last 11 years learning about them so i know about the elites.
A large portion of the Storm are you sangheili, the Sons of the Abiding Truth are the leaders and Elites are given basic fighting while at their Keeps. Not Elite spec forces and high power armor. They have to earn it by kills and the storm covenant is using low grade armor and shields fighting a more tactical UNSC.
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> If Del Rio did the right thing, why would Fleet Command remove him from his position?
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> Keyes would never have left.
It’s more than that. Del Rio practically handed Didact the Composer. John and Cortana were moments away from preventing his escape from Requiem, but they were slowed significantly as Cortana mentioned by having to manually disable…the stuff (don’t remember what it was) that you spent the entirety of the mission Shutdown shutting down.
I doubt the didact would have been released that quick if at all. The chief let him out and if he wasn’t to do that who would? Only humans can let him out and the only reason chief did was because he thought his cryptum was a satellite and he was telling infinity not to come too close to the planet which by the way they were doing due to the fud’s distress call being inside the planet. Then if it ever did get too close del rio would again want to get rid of the gravity well to let infinity free and then they would have encountered the Liberian before the didact was ever released meaning she could worn them about not letting him free until the UNSC used the janis keys to be more than powerful enough for him to no longer be a threat.
I don’t think it is fair to take AI performance in the game entirely as canon. It wouldn’t be a fun game if the AI on legendary difficulty were to mop up the bad guys for us(even though I would like for them to drive better…).
> > OP,
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> > You’re reading WAY too much into what is just a video game.
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> Really,…really i am thinking to far into what is just a game…lol Halo is not just a game. If you are on the forum you know this so don’t act like halo isn’t more than just a game.
Uhhh no.
Your argument is not right simply because I’m here to argue against it. Halo is just a video game, nothing more. You can be a fan of the game but the characters, the world, are not real and do not have to be 100% correct and in line all the time. This is why things are retconned.
> I doubt the didact would have been released that quick if at all. The chief let him out and if he wasn’t to do that who would? Only humans can let him out and the only reason chief did was because he thought his cryptum was a satellite and he was telling infinity not to come too close to the planet which by the way they were doing due to the fud’s distress call being inside the planet. Then if it ever did get too close del rio would again want to get rid of the gravity well to let infinity free and then they would have encountered the Liberian before the didact was ever released meaning she could worn them about not letting him free until the UNSC used the janis keys to be more than powerful enough for him to no longer be a threat.
Okay what you are assuming is that the gravity Well is always online and is the highest priority. That is wrong for the fact of if the Infinity somehow did destroy the fleet above the planet than Didact wouldn’t need to us the gravity well. Unlike wiht John it looked like he was done for so i understand how Didiact had to sue the Graviety Well to do so and even than if the saw the Infinity was doomed he would oh sucked it in. Slamming it into the ground and they would of had the same problem as they did in campaign just with less promos and the Covenant not caring the blast them while their shields were down. (back to the point)
Getting comms with troops while fighting off the Covenant or Radio transmission in general comes fire because IDK if something like the Promethean were attacking than they would want to have their Radios up rather than leave. Otherwise they would have the same problem that the Spirit of Fire had just with the Comms. Remember in Halo wars how they had troops On The Ground and were under the influence of the gravity well there. Naturally a commander would worry about his troops so the would get them out. no imagine doing that mission but not being able to tell your troops what to do. That would be hell right. So they would have went to go take down whatever was jamming them first thus freeing Didiact. Ask any military trooper, they would do the samething. Do you retreat or get comms up. Later we can file a threat assessment back at fleet Comm.
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> > > You’re reading WAY too much into what is just a video game.
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> > Really,…really i am thinking to far into what is just a game…lol Halo is not just a game. If you are on the forum you know this so don’t act like halo isn’t more than just a game.
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> Uhhh no.
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> Your argument is not right simply because I’m here to argue against it. Halo is just a video game, nothing more. You can be a fan of the game but the characters, the world, are not real and do not have to be 100% correct and in line all the time. This is why things are retconned.
Halo has become a beacon for the x-box gaming Community. Halo at day one has evolved into far much more than just a game. They have a movie, a TV series on the way, they are creating a Saga for this generation after the trilogy, they have fans ranging all over the world, clothing, toys, cars and thousands of people that have made this their lives. Like the people who have made the series. Halo started out just as a game but now it is X-box. LOL that is a little much in that last note but it is true Halo sold the X-box and gave Microsoft their foothold in Console gaming. Halo changed gaming the day it was on the Xbox and if you say no to that than you are wrong and millions of people can tell you that too.
> I don’t think it is fair to take AI performance in the game entirely as canon. It wouldn’t be a fun game if the AI on legendary difficulty were to mop up the bad guys for us(even though I would like for them to drive better…).
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> > If Del Rio did the right thing, why would Fleet Command remove him from his position?
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> > Keyes would never have left.
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> It’s more than that. Del Rio practically handed Didact the Composer. John and Cortana were moments away from preventing his escape from Requiem, but they were slowed significantly as Cortana mentioned by having to manually disable…the stuff (don’t remember what it was) that you spent the entirety of the mission Shutdown shutting down.
No we can’t judge the effective of the AI as canon, to an extent. Their has been different reasons lining up why Halo has different difficulties with the AI’s in games such as. the troops commanders. In Halo CE those were Thels troops. He cared and trained with them side by side. Another reason why the Halo Elites fought so hard and didn’t care to speak to much English or Filth. Halo two had a mixture of Rtas, special forces, Regrets troops and Tarturs Person Guard. The reason whose brutes were so tough compared to Halo which were average brutes and were much weaker, but still powerful. The War Chieftains were the brutes from Halo 2 in Armor. Also in reach, they were the troops of That Unnamed Field Marshal that Noble 6 kills. That is one way they have explain the AI difficulty change. They even bring a not that in Halo 4 that these Covenant seem more fanatical than the others. AKA saying they are more religious and crazily devoted. Cortana also says they aren’t using military grade gear for the Covies. By that she is saying that they don’t have good tech.
So we have lore in the difficulty of the AI like the same case with UNSC troops. Halo Ce they were the famous and battle harden troops of the famous Captain Jacob Keyes. Halo 2 and 3 those were your standard Marines so no real change but in Reach the charge was that they were the army. While Halo 4 we were told that the crew of the Infinity had a crew of 17,000 of our best. AKA a ship of badasses and yet they are barley able to fight off what Cortana noticed was just a rag tag group of covies. Nowi understand Promos are hard to fight but they are only Infantry.
That is true that Del Rio could of atleast assisted MC if he knew he couldn’t of stopped him. That i agree on. But he followed protocole to the letter and didn’t think beyond that sense. Which at times could be comemrated like if he would of moved the Infinity to attack position and mac blasted the Cryptum like they did before. But than that would destroy an entire Campaign mission and make people like Del Rio more than Lasky.
> > I doubt the didact would have been released that quick if at all. The chief let him out and if he wasn’t to do that who would? Only humans can let him out and the only reason chief did was because he thought his cryptum was a satellite and he was telling infinity not to come too close to the planet which by the way they were doing due to the fud’s distress call being inside the planet. Then if it ever did get too close del rio would again want to get rid of the gravity well to let infinity free and then they would have encountered the Liberian before the didact was ever released meaning she could worn them about not letting him free until the UNSC used the janis keys to be more than powerful enough for him to no longer be a threat.
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> Okay what you are assuming is that the gravity Well is always online and is the highest priority. That is wrong for the fact of if the Infinity somehow did destroy the fleet above the planet than Didact wouldn’t need to us the gravity well. Unlike wiht John it looked like he was done for so i understand how Didiact had to sue the Graviety Well to do so and even than if the saw the Infinity was doomed he would oh sucked it in. Slamming it into the ground and they would of had the same problem as they did in campaign just with less promos and the Covenant not caring the blast them while their shields were down. (back to the point)
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> Getting comms with troops while fighting off the Covenant or Radio transmission in general comes fire because IDK if something like the Promethean were attacking than they would want to have their Radios up rather than leave. Otherwise they would have the same problem that the Spirit of Fire had just with the Comms. Remember in Halo wars how they had troops On The Ground and were under the influence of the gravity well there. Naturally a commander would worry about his troops so the would get them out. no imagine doing that mission but not being able to tell your troops what to do. That would be hell right. So they would have went to go take down whatever was jamming them first thus freeing Didiact. Ask any military trooper, they would do the samething. Do you retreat or get comms up. Later we can file a threat assessment back at fleet Comm.
For starters he pulled them in the second he knew they were humans not just cause. The same with halo wars. Next the infinity and it’s frigates would destroy the covies no problem. Last you need to get close the planet to get sucked in.
The best from then are all dead, leaving the “meh” now to be the best.
> The best from then are all dead, leaving the “meh” now to be the best.
That explains the embarrassing college fraternity they call Spartan IVs…
i don’t think all the heros the the Pre-Halo event are gone. Eddie Buck and his troops are around somewhere. I hope to see 343i have like a short vid or something like Halo 5 ODST that shows how ODST’s are now and Eddie and Veronica Buck.