okay what the hell. Why did Del Rio lie to us in that trailer because he did.
We all know that the crew of the Pillar of Autumn would of handled the situation waaaaaaaaaaay better than that of the Infinity. The Storm covenant as seen is spartan ops and lore wise don’t even have any Super Carriers or that Many CCS class battle ships. They mainly have small agricultural ships that they put guns on and yet the Infinity is losing troops to these Sangheili that most don’t even wear military grade armor or training. Only the warriors and rangers are trained and troops and they are still using out of date gear. Also it would guess that the only problem would be hte Hunters and Prometheans because well they are problems.
But with not a single Scarab in their army that we know of because a scarab has the power to take down an army. They do have lichs but those don’t really amount to a scarab. Not to mention that after years of war we know how to finally fight the Covenant and the Prometheans don’t have vehicles and aren’t even made for troop to troop engagements and it really looked like when they were on the Infinity like they were kicking -Yoink-.
They have a tactical failure with not having ODST aboard the ship even thought they are the most qualified for engagement that would make every thing on Requiem as simple as pie. They are no excesses as to why they wouldn’t ave ODST. Since they can get ordinance into Requiem they can get some ODST and if they have spartans who are deployed by Pelican they can get ODST’s On the ground far quicker and hold hte line until Spartans arrive. They also lack greatly in air support. Falcons, Hornets and other low altitude air units are just no around giving Covenant control of the skies and no military lets their enemy have control of the skies. That is tactically stupid.
Navy,Army,Air Force, Marines, ODST and Spartans are all the branches of the Military in Halo 4. Technically ODST’s are rated as army and Marines. But sending in literally EVERY major Branch of the Military on this engagement that is meant to be a research mission and not altering our allies for extra combat support like a Sangheili Armada being sent because they have specialist that can crack certain Forerunner tech that we don’t even understand wouldn’t of made sense either. The Infinity doesn’t have a great crew they all freaked out when they got sucked into Requiem.
The Crew of the Pillar of Autumn were prepared and ready to die. But not before they gave the Covenant a nasty black eye. When they only had a single spartan 2 and no more than about 600 troops the fought against an entire Covenant Armada and the flood at the same time. Also dealing with the wounded and being caught off guard at every turn fighting endlessly for days, scavenging to survive and with little to no hope to every seeing their loved ones again and for all they knew Earth was just another glassland like Reach. They were all legends and only one of them was aboard the Infinity…you know why because they all died but about 10 of them. But not before killing so man y covies it wasn’t seen heard of that kind of thing happening ever before in the war. Yet years later when we humans have a ships just as strong of a Covenant Super Carrier and an army of hyper suped up troopers along with 17,000 of Humanities best. They still had issues with dealing with a same band of renegade, under matched disorganized rebels with a Palpatine grade plan of getting a Key.
Jul 'Mdama’s plan was stupid and he could of cracked the librarians hiding place if he had one Fore Runner Engineer. As well as he could of explained that whe isn’t even the bad guy Oni is. He could of stopped everything if he would of told hte crew of the Infinity what Oni was doing to Spark war. He knew what they did, what they were going to do and what they were doing and yet he just thought that… no one needs to know this. Me and my Honorless troops Oops not troops cannon fodder can deal with these issues. These storm Elite don’t have any honor. One of them surrendered and told his secrets to the UNSC.
Never before has any member of the Covenant that wasn’t a jackal tried to reason with humans for the sack of their own life. With all the tech and superior troops the Infinity still barley is able to make it by with all the Covenant v Human lane. and it is sad to think that they call themselves 17,000 of humanities best when they are far from that.
Well the Pillar of Autumn had some of the best personnel in the UNSC at the time as well, considering the mission they were going to set out on until Reach being attacked threw things off. Keyes was probably the most brilliant tactician in UNSC history and they had Spartan IIs which are 1000x better than the entire Spartan IV program put together.
> Well the Pillar of Autumn had some of the best personnel in the UNSC at the time as well, considering the mission they were going to set out on until Reach being attacked threw things off. Keyes was probably the most brilliant tactician in UNSC history and they had Spartan IIs which are 1000x better than the entire Spartan IV program put together.
this is my fault… i meant the crew during the Halo Event. Only one spartan accounted for. John 117. They would of handled the situation far better than the crew of the Infinity.
> > Well the Pillar of Autumn had some of the best personnel in the UNSC at the time as well, considering the mission they were going to set out on until Reach being attacked threw things off. Keyes was probably the most brilliant tactician in UNSC history and they had Spartan IIs which are 1000x better than the entire Spartan IV program put together.
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> this is my fault… i meant the crew during the Halo Event. Only one spartan accounted for. John 117. They would of handled the situation far better than the crew of the Infinity.
Would’ve doesn’t stop the fact that they’re pretty much all dead. Deeeead. Which means that the best personnel, assigned to the infinity, were actually the second best, compared to the crew of that ship.
But, technically, they would have been the best, dead men’s shoes and all that.
> > > Well the Pillar of Autumn had some of the best personnel in the UNSC at the time as well, considering the mission they were going to set out on until Reach being attacked threw things off. Keyes was probably the most brilliant tactician in UNSC history and they had Spartan IIs which are 1000x better than the entire Spartan IV program put together.
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> > this is my fault… i meant the crew during the Halo Event. Only one spartan accounted for. John 117. They would of handled the situation far better than the crew of the Infinity.
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> Would’ve doesn’t stop the fact that they’re pretty much all dead. Deeeead. Which means that the best personnel, assigned to the infinity, were actually the second best, compared to the crew of that ship.
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> But, technically, they would have been the best, dead men’s shoes and all that.
What i am saying is that is is sad that the Infinity has a sad crew. 17,000 of our best but find it hard to fight against foes they are stronger than .The Crew of the Pillar of autumn are dead but they broke the record of holding the line. The Infinity would have been crew if it wasn’t for MC. At least the crew of the Pillar of Autumn wold have gotten as far as they did without MC. With out MC the 17,000 of our best would have lost the ship and Didiact would have made off with all of our secrets like 343 did and no one would have stopped him at Earth. The Crew of the Pillar of Autumn needed MC to shutdown the ring. BUt they held their own.
> > > > Well the Pillar of Autumn had some of the best personnel in the UNSC at the time as well, considering the mission they were going to set out on until Reach being attacked threw things off. Keyes was probably the most brilliant tactician in UNSC history and they had Spartan IIs which are 1000x better than the entire Spartan IV program put together.
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> > > this is my fault… i meant the crew during the Halo Event. Only one spartan accounted for. John 117. They would of handled the situation far better than the crew of the Infinity.
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> > Would’ve doesn’t stop the fact that they’re pretty much all dead. Deeeead. Which means that the best personnel, assigned to the infinity, were actually the second best, compared to the crew of that ship.
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> > But, technically, they would have been the best, dead men’s shoes and all that.
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> What i am saying is that is is sad that the Infinity has a sad crew. 17,000 of our best but find it hard to fight against foes they are stronger than .The Crew of the Pillar of autumn are dead but they broke the record of holding the line. The Infinity would have been crew if it wasn’t for MC. At least the crew of the Pillar of Autumn wold have gotten as far as they did without MC. With out MC the 17,000 of our best would have lost the ship and Didiact would have made off with all of our secrets like 343 did and no one would have stopped him at Earth. The Crew of the Pillar of Autumn needed MC to shutdown the ring. BUt they held their own.
The Infinity + Chief survived, the PoA + Chief didn’t, it’s simple logic.
The Infinity would have been fine, if Chief had died after the Ark, as the Didact would still be snugly in his Cryptum, as I doubt it would have opened for the Covenant.
> > > > > Well the Pillar of Autumn had some of the best personnel in the UNSC at the time as well, considering the mission they were going to set out on until Reach being attacked threw things off. Keyes was probably the most brilliant tactician in UNSC history and they had Spartan IIs which are 1000x better than the entire Spartan IV program put together.
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> > > > this is my fault… i meant the crew during the Halo Event. Only one spartan accounted for. John 117. They would of handled the situation far better than the crew of the Infinity.
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> > > Would’ve doesn’t stop the fact that they’re pretty much all dead. Deeeead. Which means that the best personnel, assigned to the infinity, were actually the second best, compared to the crew of that ship.
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> > > But, technically, they would have been the best, dead men’s shoes and all that.
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> > What i am saying is that is is sad that the Infinity has a sad crew. 17,000 of our best but find it hard to fight against foes they are stronger than .The Crew of the Pillar of autumn are dead but they broke the record of holding the line. The Infinity would have been crew if it wasn’t for MC. At least the crew of the Pillar of Autumn wold have gotten as far as they did without MC. With out MC the 17,000 of our best would have lost the ship and Didiact would have made off with all of our secrets like 343 did and no one would have stopped him at Earth. The Crew of the Pillar of Autumn needed MC to shutdown the ring. BUt they held their own.
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> The Infinity + Chief survived, the PoA + Chief didn’t, it’s simple logic.
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> The Infinity would have been fine, if Chief had died after the Ark, as the Didact would still be snugly in his Cryptum, as I doubt it would have opened for the Covenant.
The Crew of the Autumn saved everyone in the Galaxy or atleast the radius of that Halo Ring and this is situation to situation. So post Didact release AKA crash landing. Also the Infinty wouldn’t of Been fine. Jul and his troops already knew that it was on its way and they evaded detection because getting in the planet was more important than dealing with it. If it wasn’t for MC the Infinity would have went to requiem. they would have had to deal with a Covenant armada and if not be destroyed they would have taken large amounts of loses leading them to A jump to slip sapce and that is only considering the Covies didn’t blow out the engines. So they would off maybe been forced into the hole by the Didact and forced to do the samething MC would have done otherwise they would have been screwed and before Didact kept it in tact this fall he wouldn’t care and let is hit the ground at full force. Killing unknown numbers, the storm would have freed him or UNSC personal would have to gain radio comms and bam. he would have destroyed the area killing even more troops. Than making his way to the Infinty he would have gotten the data he wanted and let the Storm blow it up into bits. Knowing where the composer was he would than go there and be unstoppable again and went to Earth only to see the Home fleet and judging from Halo 3 UNSC ships don’t have much affect on forerunner vessels and this time he would of had a covenant armada behind him as well. So it would have been the battle for Earth all over again but with GIANT GOLDEN BEAMS.
now the crew of the Pillar of Autumn would have gotten off the ring if only the flood didn’t screw them over like why( think her name was Mckay) destroyed the ship they had taken over so that the Flood didn’t reach Earth. Also the Pillar of Autumn was self destructed so that the Halo Ring didn’t fall into the hands of the Covies or anyone in general. Also they had to deal with the Covenant when they didn’t have a tech advantage. Just the solider next to them. But he Infinity…everybody was getting murdered and with MC no one would of saved Lasky and Palmer, an LZ would of never been established, no landing zone means no reinforcements which means stranded troops which means…-Yoink-!. Than nobody would have stopped Didact and from destroying the Ship.
I agree with OP. It seemed like the only guy actually capable of studying the artecfact (without Halsey) was Glassman!
Also, the Infinity crew and former captain seem to lack the same sense of responsibility and characterization as the PoA’s staff, just my impression.
I always just saw it as Del Rio doing what he does best, trying to return ships. He was in command of the ship but not of himself or the crew, not the best captain
I concur with the OP. If not for Master Chief stepping in when he did it seems like the crew of Infinity woulda been massacred and left for dead.
> I always just saw it as Del Rio doing what he does best, trying to return ships. He was in command of the ship but not of himself or the crew, not the best captain
> I agree with OP. It seemed like the only guy actually capable of studying the artecfact (without Halsey) was Glassman!
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> Also, the Infinity crew and former captain seem to lack the same sense of responsibility and characterization as the PoA’s staff, just my impression.
I agree with all of these because they are true. The Halo Event and pre-halo event is is true human heroism…but post…not so much.
remember though the infinity was made mostly for exploration. and most of the crew consist of doctors, engineers, scientists ect… I dont think they meant the marines were the best even though they had Spartans.
You know Chief can say “We can take the Didact” but that’s questionable, Infinity blasted a small hole in the Mantles Approach, Now if the Didact got the Mantles Approach, the Infinity would be screwed, if you have the Mantles Approach and the Covenant attacking Infinity, then the Humans would be screwed within seconds, Del Rio made the right choice in leaving Requiem, they were against the leader of Forerunner military, if you don’t know what you are up against stranded in a mysterious world in a first contact scenario, practically imprisoned, you’d want to leave
Maybe the Pillar of Autumn would of faced the Didact, but it isn’t the smartest thing to do, there’s a difference between heroism and foolishness
Del Rio is responsible for 17,000 lives and the greatest ship created by humanity, if he took on the Didact and the Covenant and Infinity was lost, the Didact would be free to leave and compose Humanity
> I concur with the OP. If not for Master Chief stepping in when he did it seems like the crew of Infinity woulda been massacred and left for dead.
> remember though the infinity was made mostly for exploration. and most of the crew consist of doctors, engineers, scientists ect… I dont think they meant the marines were the best even though they had Spartans.
Com’n its not the Enterprise and in Halo they still need an army to hold off any IDK pirates or forerunner installation drones like the Monitors or factions like the Storm Covenant. Also they had all branches when they were in Spartan Ops. As well they were still couldn’t defend the ship properly.
> You know Chief can say “We can take the Didact” but that’s questionable, Infinity blasted a small hole in the Mantles Approach, Now if the Didact got the Mantles Approach, the Infinity would be screwed, if you have the Mantles Approach and the Covenant attacking Infinity, then the Humans would be screwed within seconds, Del Rio made the right choice in leaving Requiem, they were against the leader of Forerunner military, if you don’t know what you are up against stranded in a mysterious world in a first contact scenario, practically imprisoned, you’d want to leave
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> Maybe the Pillar of Autumn would of faced the Didact, but it isn’t the smartest thing to do, there’s a difference between heroism and foolishness
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> Del Rio is responsible for 17,000 lives and the greatest ship created by humanity, if he took on the Didact and the Covenant and Infinity was lost, the Didact would be free to leave and compose Humanity
Not to be a -Yoink- but what they hell are you talking about about. The situation is the landing or requiem not charging Didacts ship. No -Yoink- that the PoA would have left but knowing Keyes he would have sent some troops with MC but warning Earth was more important than fighting the Didact. what i am talking about is the landing and the situation if MC wasn’t there.
> > You know Chief can say “We can take the Didact” but that’s questionable, Infinity blasted a small hole in the Mantles Approach, Now if the Didact got the Mantles Approach, the Infinity would be screwed, if you have the Mantles Approach and the Covenant attacking Infinity, then the Humans would be screwed within seconds, Del Rio made the right choice in leaving Requiem, they were against the leader of Forerunner military, if you don’t know what you are up against stranded in a mysterious world in a first contact scenario, practically imprisoned, you’d want to leave
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> > Maybe the Pillar of Autumn would of faced the Didact, but it isn’t the smartest thing to do, there’s a difference between heroism and foolishness
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> > Del Rio is responsible for 17,000 lives and the greatest ship created by humanity, if he took on the Didact and the Covenant and Infinity was lost, the Didact would be free to leave and compose Humanity
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> Not to be a -Yoink!- but what they hell are you talking about about. The situation is the landing or requiem not charging Didacts ship. No Yoink! that the PoA would have left but knowing Keyes he would have sent some troops with MC but warning Earth was more important than fighting the Didact. what i am talking about is the landing and the situation if MC wasn’t there.
I was just talking about why Del Rio chose not to fight as it sort of relates, I had it in my mind and wanted a thread to post it in
> > > You know Chief can say “We can take the Didact” but that’s questionable, Infinity blasted a small hole in the Mantles Approach, Now if the Didact got the Mantles Approach, the Infinity would be screwed, if you have the Mantles Approach and the Covenant attacking Infinity, then the Humans would be screwed within seconds, Del Rio made the right choice in leaving Requiem, they were against the leader of Forerunner military, if you don’t know what you are up against stranded in a mysterious world in a first contact scenario, practically imprisoned, you’d want to leave
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> > > Maybe the Pillar of Autumn would of faced the Didact, but it isn’t the smartest thing to do, there’s a difference between heroism and foolishness
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> > > Del Rio is responsible for 17,000 lives and the greatest ship created by humanity, if he took on the Didact and the Covenant and Infinity was lost, the Didact would be free to leave and compose Humanity
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> > Not to be a -Yoink!- but what they hell are you talking about about. The situation is the landing or requiem not charging Didacts ship. No Yoink! that the PoA would have left but knowing Keyes he would have sent some troops with MC but warning Earth was more important than fighting the Didact. what i am talking about is the landing and the situation if MC wasn’t there.
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> I was just talking about why Del Rio chose not to fight as it sort of relates, I had it in my mind and wanted a thread to post it in
I understand but like i said before the PoA would have done hte samething. Protecting Earth is Key(no pun entended)I agree that Del Rio did hte right thing. He had too much to worry about when it came down to his crew…the only reason he go removed as Captian of the Infinity was so that 343i could just ram Lasky into the mixture. When it didn’t even make sense. So what did Lord Hood Just say"Oh you left Spartan 117 behind at Requiem…LOL not going to happen again Captain."
Hey!
Private D. Echoes survived!
You know, “is there anybody left?” “just dustin echoes.” Bungie even said themselves that Chief should have gone back for him!
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If Del Rio did the right thing, why would Fleet Command remove him from his position?
Keyes would never have left.
Everything you said was wrong…